AsburySkinsFan Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 They may not be remembered by us for long, but I got tired of retreading old tires. So I figured we might as well take a moment to scroll past the victims before retreading old tires. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) Keep doing it, ASF. I appreciate it, horrible as it is. The less these people are seen as empty numbers, and actual people, maybe the more we can stop being stupid about it. It's so easy to compartmentalize everyone into a statistic these days (which is why people may seem more cold, self absorbed or emotionless when faced with certain issues). These people had lives, families. They woke the **** up just last Monday, probably thinking about what they were gonna do this week, having no idea it was gonna be their last. Think about it for a second, and realize that these people could very easily be you, or someone you love with everything in your soul. Edited February 17, 2018 by Mr. Sinister 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AsburySkinsFan Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 @LD0506 what is the link for that video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 22 minutes ago, AsburySkinsFan said: @LD0506 what is the link for that video? https://www.facebook.com/NowThisPolitics/videos/1921538024544345/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Sisko Posted February 17, 2018 Author Share Posted February 17, 2018 10 hours ago, AsburySkinsFan said: We will never know now. Hush, he’s Trolling. There, corrected that for ya. 9 hours ago, Larry said: So, just to make sure I'm understanding you, twa, What is it, exactly, that you would like the nation's police to do, to every gun owner out there who hasn't committed a crime (yet), but whom they've received a complaint about? (The invitation is extended to anybody else who is trying to blame law enforcement for not preventing crimes in advance, to submit what they think the cops should have done, too) Actually Larry, based on the description of him as being erratic and unhinged it’s possible local LE might have wondered if he needed a compulsory psych exam at which point he’d have been found to be seriously mentally ill, a threat, and hence his right to own a firearm would have been taken away. Naaaah, this is Florida we’re taking about here... Quote Florida Legislators Meet Day After Parkland Shooting to Relax Gun Background Checks Update: After this story was published, Florida Agricultural Commissioner Adam Putnam postponed his proposed change in gun-licensing rules. Yesterday, 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz carried an AR-15 rifle into Marjory Stoneman Douglas High in Parkland, riddled the building with bullets, and killed 17 students and teachers. The massacre was worse than Columbine....Now, barely 24 hours later, Florida legislators are set to vote at 1 p.m. on a provision that would weaken the state's background-check laws and allow people who file incomplete background-check forms to obtain concealed-carry permits anyway. The provision is simply one bill among a smattering of insane pro-gun laws filtering through the Florida Legislature — including bills that would let gun owners carry firearms into churches and schools. As Tallahassee reporter Steve Bousquet initially noted at the beginning of the month, state Republicans have snuck a startling proposal into the bottom of a 98-page agricultural appropriations bill, SB 740, that would force the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services to grant a concealed-carry permit within 90 days of filing — even if the applicant's background check has not yet been completed.... I get that this hearing was almost certainly scheduled some time ago and it took someone a minute to realize “Oh ??, we can’t do this now.” However the real issue for me is the relaxing of the background check provision. Seriously? What could possibly go wrong there? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 But the body counts weren't all in the double digits so they don't count, stop with the fake news 18 school shootings lefty propaganda! This is worse than the Nazis in Charlottesville, people are actively speaking out in support of being able to machinegun children in schools. **** your assholery and your lying rhetoric, that's what this is, people support the right to slaughter children. This needs to be echoed and hung like a dead skunk around the necks of every one of these politicians, a vote for _____________ is a vote for dead school children. Any attempt to "spin" it, to "change the narrative" or "rebrand the name" is bull**** and cowardice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, The Sisko said: I get that this hearing was almost certainly scheduled some time ago and it took someone a minute to realize “Oh ??, we can’t do this now.” However the real issue for me is the relaxing of the background check provision. Seriously? What could possibly go wrong there? ? Guarran-damn-tee it gets revisited and passed as soon as the blood is scrubbed off Parkland’s floors. Edited February 17, 2018 by AsburySkinsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 The monster killed kids he never interacted with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, AsburySkinsFan said: Guarran-damn-tee it gets revisited and passed as soon as the blood is scrubbed off Parkland’s floors. Two weeks, tops............. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AsburySkinsFan Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: The monster killed kids he never interacted with. Once they start it usually turns into targets of opportunity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted February 17, 2018 Author Share Posted February 17, 2018 51 minutes ago, AsburySkinsFan said: Guarran-damn-tee it gets revisited and passed as soon as the blood is scrubbed off Parkland’s floors. I took that as a given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) http://time.com/5162936/florida-high-school-shooting-timeline/ The killer got in and killed 17 people in 7 minutes and got out. I seriously doubt teachers with a gun would have changed anything (what's a teacher with a hand gun supposed to do against a guy with a bullet proof vest and an AR15?). A shooter suddenly appears in the doorway and starts shooting into the classroom. Unless you are a highly trained expert on alert, it's probably all over by the time you recover from the initial panic and shock. If you are a teacher initially away from the scene, are you supposed to secure your pupils and wait for law enforcement or are you supposed to run to the sound? Once you're there, what are the chances of the teacher identifying the shooter and winning the showdown at the OK Corral? We can have increased security at schools, but then I think it should be focused on increased presence of trained law enforcement and well controlled access points (how did the killer enter the school building? can they enter without security checks during school day?). But it has to be coupled with strong and mandatory background checks aimed at preventing those with violent records and mental illness from getting guns in the first place. If you allow free access of these guns, what's to stop the next deranged killer from parking himself in the grassy knoll and just opening fire as kids arrive or leave from school? Or just changing the target to another place with high density crowd like malls? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting-librarian/get-back-in-here-sandy-hook-lessons-spared-lives-in-florida-shooting-idUSKCN1G02J8 Quote Some teachers thought it was simply a drill because school staff had just undergone “active shooter” training and were told a mock incident would take place, Haneski said. One teacher who climbed over the dead and wounded lying in the hallways assumed they were theater students drenched in fake blood, she added. Actual shooting is confused with a mock drill. I think it's about time school shooting moves up on the list of legislative priorities. Edited February 17, 2018 by bearrock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted February 17, 2018 Author Share Posted February 17, 2018 The other problem with arming teachers is that when the cops come in they are only focused on taking the shooter down. So how are they going to know you’re a teacher trying to help? We’ve already seen how often they shoot first and ask questions later and in this case, it’s the right thing to do. That is, unless plainclothes dogooders are roaming around armed. Either the cops shoot a teacher on the way to the shooter, a teacher accidentally shoots at the cops or a kid or even accidentally shoots him/herself because jitters and this isn’t their main gig, the shooter says he’s a teacher to cause confusion and maybe get off a few more rounds increasing the body count, teacher uses some ridiculous ammo and kills a few kids via overpenetration, etc. etc. There are any number of permutations but no matter how you slice it, nothing good probably comes of it except in the best case scenario. So is it better to bank on that best case scenario or tighten up background checks (now that’s where some extreme vetting would be useful) to minimize the numbers of those getting guns who shouldn’t have them? It’s not a perfect solution if you’re trying to avoid stepping on people’s rights, but if we can decrease the numbers a bit, wouldn’t that be worth the extra hassle of *gasp* having to get a background check at s gun show? Maybe it costs you an extra day or two in getting your new toy or straw man purchase (which is a whole nother issue that needs fixing too). But you still get it and the safety factor increases a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 I just read he will plead guilty to avoid the death penalty. Um, nope. Shouldn't be given the opportunity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bearrock Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said: I just read he will plead guilty to avoid the death penalty. Um, nope. Shouldn't be given the opportunity. Prosecution should not accept that offer and a judge should reject such a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 1 minute ago, bearrock said: Prosecution should not accept that offer and a judge should reject such a deal. I'm pretty much pro death penalty in a situation like this. And no lethal injection where he goes to sleep peacefully, but something like shoving him off a tall building or firing squad or throwing him to a pit full of lions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 33 minutes ago, bearrock said: what's a teacher with a hand gun supposed to do against a guy with a bullet proof vest and an AR15? Shoot at him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, tshile said: Shoot at him Die Fixed it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) Virginia also issues concealed permits after so many days if the approval process doesn't complete. It's to avoid pro-gun control people from being able to influence it by delaying the process. So if the gov't can't get the approval (or denial) process completed in so many days you are automatically granted a permit. The truth is background check or other thing shouldn't take more than a week. 90 days is plenty of time unless you're purposefully stalling. Edited February 17, 2018 by tshile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warhead36 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 There will never be gun control in this country. #repealthesecondamendment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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