visionary Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Have the previous strategies for trying to stop North Korea worked? Maybe not. Have things gotten a lot worse much faster since Trump came into office? Clearly. So far the current admin’s efforts have accomplished extreme escalation from North Korea. The new sanctions and actions from other countries (perhaps under US pressure or deal making) are interesting though, so we’ll see if they have a positive effect on the situation. I’m not really sure what our actual strategy is though, and from the many conflicting statements and actions we’ve taken, it seems we aren’t either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Destino said: You're saying Kim is looking to Trump for leadership? Weird. Kim is using Trump's stupidity and lack of credibility to justify his words and deeds. He wins when Trump plays his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 38 minutes ago, RedskinsFan44 said: What positive development has come out of Trump's rhetoric? As far as I can tell NK has accelerated their progress towards having an intercontinental ballistic missile this year, How many successful tests since Trump took office? Even the biggest critics of Trump agree this is an inherited problem. What Trump's administration has done is get international agreement twice on increased sanctions and China agreeing to do more to pressure North Korea. We're even seeing some of our allies in the middle east agreeing not to renew the visas of North Korea's exported slave labor. As much as a buffoon as he apparently is, Trump's administration is doing all of the standard things to pressure NK. The problem is that none of this has worked before and there is no reasonable expectation that it will work now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 59 minutes ago, Llevron said: He's just like Trump smh The only difference is that North Korea's bluster, unpredictability, and rhetoric are a strategy whereas Trump is just an unstable dotard, dastard, and several other kinds of tard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 But remember that a lot of this stuff we’re trying to clamp down on may just be continued unofficially or through less visable methods, as is often the case during sanction situations. Sanctions rely on enforcement and for most everyone to go along and not try to get around them. (There are always some who do) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Popeman38 said: That misses the point that the leader of a country just said that it was the responsibility of the U.S. to diffuse the tension he is creating. He chose a path and Trump's reaction confirmed he made the right choice. Meaning he chose the path before Trump. Meaning the kid glove treatment of the DPRK for the last ~16 years had no positive impact. I'm happy for people that use the kid glove treatment to say what should have been done in the past. Cause at the moment it's more sanctions and China acting now that NK has suddenly made serious advances in technology. I doubt China would have acted before these types of events. Per the leadership, it's always the responsibility of the world leader to diffuse situations no matter who started it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 hour ago, RedskinsFan44 said: What positive development has come out of Trump's rhetoric? As far as I can tell NK has accelerated their progress towards having an intercontinental ballistic missile this year, How many successful tests since Trump took office? I think you are confusing speaking critically of Kim as being support of Trump. I support his EO and pressure to get China's banks to stop financing NK. I do not support much else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 30 minutes ago, Destino said: Even the biggest critics of Trump agree this is an inherited problem. What Trump's administration has done is get international agreement twice on increased sanctions and China agreeing to do more to pressure North Korea. We're even seeing some of our allies in the middle east agreeing not to renew the visas of North Korea's exported slave labor. As much as a buffoon as he apparently is, Trump's administration is doing all of the standard things to pressure NK. The problem is that none of this has worked before and there is no reasonable expectation that it will work now. It is definitely an inherited problem and with these new sanctions is makes me wonder what the hell Obama even did to deter this previously. But there is no doubt that something Trump is doing or not doing has helped the escalation of this stuff. I dont think its just a coincidence that Kim has turned the dial up like crazy after Obama left office. It could be as simple as a lack of respect from Kim towards Trump. Dude went from 2 to 10 on the threat meter in about 6 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 Two immature bullies ratcheting up the rhetoric toward nuclear war. They are both assholes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 22 minutes ago, Hersh said: Per the leadership, it's always the responsibility of the world leader to diffuse situations no matter who started it. I disagree that leadership is about diffusing. Leadership is about solutions. Sometimes peace is the best solution. Sometimes it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 18 minutes ago, Destino said: I disagree that leadership is about diffusing. Leadership is about solutions. Sometimes peace is the best solution. Sometimes it's not. I didn't say diffuse equals peace but in this particular case we are talking about something unprecedented when it comes to the potential destruction and lives lost if this goes to a place 99.9999% of people don't want it to go. The US could still show strength without the unnecessary personal needling and false red lines by Trump. Anyone advocating war here, I'd like to know an acceptable number of casualties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 2 hours ago, RedskinsFan44 said: What positive development has come out of Trump's rhetoric? As far as I can tell NK has accelerated their progress towards having an intercontinental ballistic missile this year, How many successful tests since Trump took office? They didn't get to this place in the last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 If it goes nuclear, it's not just the initial impact, it's the fallout damaging the entire Earth. MAD kept the Soviets in check. I don't think it will work with Kim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I had to look it up: Dotard - n.1. a foolish and doddering old person. USA over North Korea every time. But this shows me Kim Jung Un uses English with more precision and accuracy than Donald Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, Dan T. said: I had to look it up: Dotard - n.1. a foolish and doddering old person. USA over North Korea every time. But this shows me Kim Jung Un uses English with more precision and accuracy than Donald Trump. Damn. You're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsFan44 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 hour ago, twa said: They didn't get to this place in the last year I didn't say they did. But they sure as heck have not been slowed down by "rocket man" rhetoric. Side note: Did Trump use the term "Radical Islamic Terrorism" at the U.N.? Because I'm pretty sure that is key to defeating ISIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 33 minutes ago, RedskinsFan44 said: ISide note: Did Trump use the term "Radical Islamic Terrorism" at the U.N.? Because I'm pretty sure that is key to defeating ISIS. Thanks for the reminder of another of the myriad stupid things this President has uttered. There are literally so many dumb, ill-thought, or false things he's said that it's easy to lose track. The Donald Trump Presidential Library will be a monument to falsehoods, insults, and braggadocio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 hour ago, LadySkinsFan said: If it goes nuclear, it's not just the initial impact, it's the fallout damaging the entire Earth. MAD kept the Soviets in check. I don't think it will work with Kim. What will besides assassination or such? Not really MAD, except on their end and limited areas....but no one wants that either.(especially folk in those areas) Most likely to be intercept of missiles and retaliatory strikes if nothing changes....which of course can escalate quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsFan44 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 22 minutes ago, twa said: What will besides assassination or such? Not really MAD, except on their end and limited areas....but no one wants that either.(especially folk in those areas) Most likely to be intercept of missiles and retaliatory strikes if nothing changes....which of course can escalate quickly. I have a feeling China may not be cool with nukes going off in such close proximity to their border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Just now, RedskinsFan44 said: I have a feeling China may not be cool with nukes going off in such close proximity to their border. Then I suggest they reign in their pet,seeing as it is him playing with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExoDus84 Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 3 hours ago, Dan T. said: I had to look it up: Dotard - n.1. a foolish and doddering old person. USA over North Korea every time. But this shows me Kim Jung Un uses English with more precision and accuracy than Donald Trump. do·tard noun noun: dotard; plural noun: dotards An old person, especially one who has become weak or senile. NK are crazy assholes, but I'll be damned if they didn't use the perfect word to describe our dumbass-in-chief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 True story: My first experience with the word “dotard” was several years ago when @Jumbo described certain ES posters as “dotards”. Jumbo is Kim Jong Un Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBoz Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 29 minutes ago, ExoDus84 said: NK are crazy assholes, but I'll be damned if they didn't use the perfect word to describe our dumbass-in-chief. Awesome!! Another 3 years at least to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 hour ago, twa said: Then I suggest they reign in their pet,seeing as it is him playing with them. Isn’t it funny that we have this EXACT same discussion RE Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted September 23, 2017 Author Share Posted September 23, 2017 I'm thinking right now that I'm glad I didn't move to Maui when I was seriously considering it several years ago. Same with Alaska. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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