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Per Schefter: Su'a Cravens Considering Retirement

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XxSpearheadxX

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13 minutes ago, dyst said:

I hate that "showed your true colors" posts on twitter and Instagram. Just stay off social media and play.

His twittergram posts are the worst. Well him and Bree. 

 

At least Bree was playing well though lol. Still. 

 

I love Cooley's idea for an app that sends their tweets to him first before it hits the internet, and he has a button that just mutes it but they still get to feel like they vented lol

 

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2 minutes ago, XxSpearheadxX said:

His twittergram posts are the worst. Well him and Bree. 

 

At least Bree was playing well though lol. Still. 

 

I love Cooley's idea for an app that sends their tweets to him first before it hits the internet, and he has a button that just mutes it but they still get to feel like they vented lol

 

 

Wait a sec, you want a guy that tweeted a pic of his junk to do the filtering???

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LetThePointsSoar

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I just don't even know how to feel about this whole story and thread.


For Su'A's sake, I hope the young man finds some direction and figures what the best decision is for HIM.  It's so easy in these stories to forget that these are KIDS trying to decide their lives and futures.  We all had doubts on what we wanted to do when we were 23ish as well, tough to judge him, especially if he has long term health concerns.

 

 

Ready to move past this distraction though, and let's dig in and get ready to smash the Iggles in 7 days.  Hail.

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DC Lumber Co.

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This thread really captures ExtremeSkins in a nutshell haha.

 

Lets see:

 

Shocking news about a player causes uproar. Overall sentiment about said player was previously overwhelmingly positive but now the responses make it sound like he was god awful last season. Everyone is pretending like Su'a wasn't a fan favorite out of the draft class, didn't show promise last season and want him cut before even letting the situation play out. Oh, and everyone who questioned the pick or thought he was a "reach" on draft night make sure to pop in and tell everyone I told ya so.

 

Its just bizarre to me that this situation is the one that has the fanbase/ES turning on Scot now. Crazy how quickly the groupthink can shift around here.

 

THEN the PC Police quickly come in to reprimand anyone who makes slightly reactionary posts in a thread created primarily for reactions to breaking news, throwing around accusations of immaturity stating how heartless everyone is for not taking his mental health seriously.

 

Sprinkle in a few people arguing and drumming up evidence about Snyder from 17 years ago as if he has anything to do with this. I may have missed it but im sure someone also tried to say this was proof of organizational incompetence, Snyder is still meddling, because thats attempted in most threads.

 

Yep, sounds like ES.

 

My take on Su'a: I liked the draft pick and liked Cravens as a PLAYER at USC and last year for the Skins, and every draft pick gets the benefit of the doubt from me until they give me a reason not to like them. With Cravens, ever since following him on Snapchat since he was drafted... as much as I wanted to love the kid because of how much I liked him as a player, I couldn't help but get rubbed the wrong way eventually with the way he carried himself and the posts he would make.

 

But if I would want to drink a beer or hang out with a player is about the least important of traits to me for players on the Skins, and honestly I never really cared much because he made up for any of that with his play, and at the end of the day that can cure a lot for me. Hes not forcing me to follow him on snapchat and could care less about my opinion anyway. Simple fix: unfollow, forget about it and enjoy him as a player. But this news makes a lot of sense to me given the impression I got of him...

 

He always seemed to care most about his fame level, fashion, and just came off as a bull****ter to me but couldn't prove that obviously. But Will Comptons conversation makes me feel like my intuition about him may not have been very far off. And before I get destroyed by the insensitivity police, I'm the last person in the world who disrespects mental health as depression runs in my family.

 

Su'a will get the benefit of the doubt to prove me wrong as he is valuable to this team despite how quickly others are ready to write him off. He very well could be suffering from depression or going through a rough patch. But with his history on social media and what ive learned about him doesn't make a great case that he is deserving of all this unconditional support acting like fans arent allowed to form an opinion based on the evidence we have thus far, which honestly isnt very flattering.

 

This is purely speculative but the vibe I'm getting is that this sounds like a situation where an emotionally sensitive player got his feelings hurt from coaches and/or players and has fell into a depressive episode/is homesick/unhappy... Some people can't handle playing the role of an outcast, and instead of fighting against the grain to prove himself to doubters, its certainly possible that instead he has become a recluse, combative, and has an "F-You" attitude about it all. It just doesnt look good to have a respected veteran team captain on video seemingly trying to push an unmotivated Cravens. To players who have worked their tails off to be in the NFL that were blessed with less than cravens, its easy to see how it would rub the locker room the wrong way. Its EERILY similar to the Ritchie Incognito situation in Miami a few years back, without the racism and bullying. It might be a simple case of Cravens not fitting with all the Alpha personalities, just like that article came out about the Seahawks locker room culture and team scouts having to pay special attention to any prospects who may not possess the mental makeup to be successful in that type of environment. Its more likely to me we see him go to another team than be out of football for good because of fear for his health or anything like that.

 

And before anyone says "he almost lost his vision from a concussion, he has every reason to be scared".... I'm sorry but I dont buy that for a second. That whole drama STUNK of a person who needs attention and I lost respect for how he handled it, and lost even more after this news and the Compton clip. Like I said, I'd much rather be wrong about all this, and would happily eat crow, but not a single bit of this makes Su'a look very good right now.

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@NickyJI'm still laughing out loud everytime I say the phrase "homesickness of the knees" in my head. Funniest **** I've heard in a while.

 

@DC Lumber Co. Great post man. I pretty much read it the same exact way. He has every right to do whatever he wants with his life, but it is the equivilant of leaving someone at the Wedding Altar, terrible timing! 

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Just our ****ing luck.

 

Maybe he was spooked thinking they may ask him to bulk up and play nose. Or, knew with no nose our DBs are going to have a long year including being run all over. Did the story come out after all the noses were released?

 

Welp his injury may have been a blessing, getting Everette reps vs letting him walk off the job at the last minute as the uncontested starter all summer.

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4 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

I get the part about the coaches but decisions can be complex.  Lets say they really saw Cravens might be an issue in 2017 but they weren't panicked because they liked their depth.    So they figured something like 75% chance it works out but if it doesn't we got it covered -- we can't fix everything in one off season mindset, etc.

Entirely possible, knee jerk reaction for me is always that the team is more reactive than proactive and sometimes clueless. Guess it's just the history lol.

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10 minutes ago, XxSpearheadxX said:

@NickyJ

@DC Lumber Co.Great post man. I pretty much read it the same exact way. He has every right to do whatever he wants with his life, but it is the equivilant of leaving someone at the Wedding Altar, terrible timing! 

 

Thanks. And the snapchat response he directed at fans that are simply trying to understand the situation is another terrible look & decision, imo.

 

He and Breeland are frustrating with their immaturity and inability to see fans opinions & social media posts for what they are: unimportant. If I was blessed enough to be in the NFL, any media or fanbase criticism would be used either as motivation or laughed at, all the way to the bank.

 

But I'm not at all surprised that the same guy who felt it necessary to post a FaceTime screenshot of him talking to Mia Khalifa (which again, reeks of a person desperate for attention/acceptance) is incapable of letting his actions speak louder than his social media account. As if its impressive an NFL player is able to pull a pornstar...

 

Somehow despite potentially losing Cravens, I'm more excited that it seems to be proof that we finally have the identity, attitude, and locker room on defense that we've been lacking for so long. We were promised for so long that we were building a team that other teams would be sore from playing, and I've said it all off-season: guys like Norman, Allen, Anderson, and Swearinger are the types that can finally build that "Legion of Boom"-esque fraternity on defense.

 

All signs point to us moving on from Breeland next off-season with the selections of Moreau and Fuller. If Cravens doesnt respond positively from all this, earn back his teammates trust, and get back to focusing on being a Safety, i'd be fine with trading him for another team-need like a NT. Hes definitely still valuable enough.

 

I'm ready to be done with having to worry about drama on this team and if ridding the defense of Bree and Su'a is for the greater good of the locker room moving forward I'm all for it. Having "me-first" players who attract unnecessary attention to the team aren't suited for what were trying to build here. It wouldn't fly with the organizations we all want our Redskins to be like (ie: Packers, Pats, Ravens).

 

On a positive note, I'm happy we have young guys who will get extended looks in Suas absence instead of Donte Whitner types. Glad our player development has given us Deshazor Everett. Nicholson hits harder, runs faster, is more athletic, and isn't a tweener. A 4th rounder that was initially hated on is looking a whole lot better right now. And maybe, just maybe the Redskins knew this was possible with Cravens after the events that transpired last year and had the foresight to select Montae.

 

And Su'a wont really be a knock on Scot for me if he does fall off for us. Su'a Cravens, if nothing else, is charismatic (or a BSer). People fool employers all the time in the interview process that leads them to believe they are hiring a completely different person than the one who shows up to his year-end review late and underperforming.

 

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So here is further clarification on the roster rules. Because Sua left after the final cuts, Redskins get up to 4 weeks to make a decision. They can cut, trade or activate him anytime between now and 4 weeks. They can also permently move him to the reserve/left squad list in 5 days, but it would make no sense to do that because they have 4 weeks to decide.

 

Aftter 4 weeks they have to activate, cut, trade or move him permanently to the reserve/left squad list.

 

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The people saying the loss of Cravens isn't anything to be worried about aren't the same people who were raving about it. So it's not "lol, people were high on him and now they aren't". This just gave the people who saw an average player reason to speak up.

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I can see a scenario that the doctors didn't clear him to play still, and as an immature young man he overreacted. I'm pretty sure he was excited to play back at the coliseum in week two at his old university. He's probably frustrated about his injury, and his "worth" to a football team.

 

Hopefully he can fully recover physically and metally if he isn't 100%. Hopefully he can be back after the bye week. I had high hopes for this kid that he could of been our Landon Collins.

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