SWFLSkins Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 26 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said: The article is mistaken regarding the exempt/left football list. If Sua doesn't show up in next 5 days he's done for the year... I can't get the damn article to load, but I did see that earlier so I tweeted at Brewer,,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 25 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: If by logical and analytical you mean digging deep into the depths of minutia to defend Snyder and the gang, sure. So quoting numerous articles written at the time of Schotty's firing is "digging deep into the depths of minutia". I see the problem here lol... Quote All this over a comment that obviously nobody can validate... Which, if you recall, was what my initial post said as well lol...but SoCal said Snyder "literally" said it himself. Yet even you admit that it can't be validated. So you agree with my earlier post. *thumbsup* Quote ...completely dismissing a long history of actions that entirely support the notion that Dan liked to "have fun" with his new toy. It's not so much about whether he used those exact words or not, but the way he ran the team, particularly at that point in time, aligns with a guy that wants to have fun i.e.: have a say in player personnel. In other words, as long as the --ahem-- "fact" stated supports your viewpoint, that's more than enough...because you feel your viewpoint is supported by other facts. Which means you agree with my other post. *thumbsup* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Master TesfatsionVerified account @MasterTes 3m3 minutes ago More #Redskins safety Su'a Cravens just posted this on his Instagram Story. "Thank you to those who showed their true colors today." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Tomb Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 27 minutes ago, Califan007 said: By the way, guys...the WaPo admitted they made up 90% of the stuff about Snyder over the years simply because they don't like the guy. That definitely sounds familiar - specifically in our current political climate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Blaster Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 32 minutes ago, TheShredder said: If I were in Gruden's shoes I'd walk into the next team meeting with security and have all the doors open with a path to the parking lot and tell them that if there's anyone here who doesn't have their heart and soul 100% dedicated to the guys in this room, GTFO!!! Im glad you're not Gruden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 12 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said: Read the entire article with that quote... This whole discussion started when Zoony stated Dan throws tantrums when draft picks don't pan out and you were disputing that characterization. The article pretty succinctly demonstrates exactly the fact that Dan is prone to tantrums regarding personnel decisions. I'm not a Salky Jenkins fan but she nails this one with facts... https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/tired-of-the-redskins-dysfunction-theres-one-person-to-blame/2017/03/11/2aef60dc-05d3-11e7-ad5b-d22680e18d10_story.html?utm_term=.b7602e329e30 I did...in no way does it say Snyder said this. In fact, the entire article makes a better argument for that comment being the employee's opinion. Here's the thing that seems to escape some of you, though: there's nothing to say the employee's opinion isn't correct. But there is a TON to show that it's impossible to say that Snyder "literally" said this himself...and a TON of reported info that points to Schotty's firing being based on far, far, FAR FAR FAR FAR more than "not having fun". From what you, SIP and, um, the other guy are saying, though (sorry other guy lol...mind's not remembering your name right now), the biggest thing leading you to buying into the "not having fun" explanation is your preconeived viewpoints of Snyder moreso than the information given surrounding Schotty being fired. For instance: Could it have been that Snyder was being given the advice to fire Schotty by advisors? Yes. Is it ever mentioned as a possibility here on this thread? Nope. It's just that Snyder wasn't having fun. Could it have been that the horrific offensive output by Schotty, coupled with his less-than-stellar personnel decisions, caused Snyder to want to make some significant changes to the FO? Yes. Is it ever mentioned as a possibility here on this thread? Nope. It's just that Snyder wasn't having fun. Is it possible that Snyder decided he wanted to replace Schotty with Spurrier before actually firing him, and found a way to fire him via "different philosophies" knowing Schotty would never concede control? Yes. Is it ever mentioned as a possibility here on this thread? Nope. It's just that Snyder wasn't having fun. Is it possible that I think these other possibilities (and more) sound reasonable, and even more reasonable, as explanations for Schotty being fired than Snyder "not having fun? Definitely, because I do. Is it ever mentioned as a possibility here on this thread? Nope. It's just me wanting to defend the indefensible Dan Snyder from any criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Tomb Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Sad to hear Cravens is going through a rough time right now. Sounds like his time off is for more than just a knee injury though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Right listen up. There have been two offical rule 5 warnings in this thread now (disrespectful to other members) and one knuckle wrap. Feel free to attack other posters ideas and posts, and there have been quite a few in this thread that need attacking, but do NOT attack or be disrespectful to other posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 27 minutes ago, Califan007 said: Nowhere does it say the employee said Dan said that. How in the world can you miss something that simple? This has nothing whatsoever to do with "stances" or "viewpoints"...the writer never says that the employee claims Snyder said this. At all, in any way. Your point is Dan didn't say this as a quote but an employee had that as an opinion. So what? That's some smoking gun/big distinction? It makes no difference to me. Just like I said in my prior post does it jibe with Dan's reputation or does it not? I actually totally agreed with your main point which is people's predispositions guide their beliefs. When you read these stories it requires either trust in them or not. Does it make sense to you based on what else you've heard or does it not? If you want to talk about the WP lying about Dan and you don't buy in, that's cool. And I said its cool. I don't think we can change each others positions. One last go from me about where I'm coming from: lets say it never happened and the employee's opinion is a complete fabrication. Still, it's just one thing. I've heard enough different stories told from ex-coaches, ex-employees, reporters about Dan where its not hard for me to have a picture painted about him. We've gone over a ton of these stories in the threads you've participated in. But if they don't move you and your stance is to give the dude the benefit of the doubt. That's fine. To each their own. I'm trying to end the discussion on this but you seem fired up to keep it going. This is a Cravens thread. If you want to start a Dan thread and carry some of these points over like the WP lying about him, etc. I'm sure you'd get a lot of action. I'll respond there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 8 hours ago, TryTheBeal! said: Got another contender for ya @Spaceman Spiff! @readonly- well if I'm part of the entire fan base, it didn't effect me, save from posting in this thread today. I woke up, went about my business, had a crap and a nap, saw some friends and had a good time. I didn't wallow in misery and ponder how the Redskins would move forward without Sua Cravens. It doesn't have an effect on the entire team, it has an effect on his position...and guess what? He'll be replaced. The Washington Redskins will move on from this, I promise. They'll find another safety. Maybe one better than him. Let's not forget that he was labeled as a project when we drafted him, this isn't the second coming of Sean Taylor we're talking about here. I guess I'm a putty wink, whatever the **** that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonBurgandy Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Sooooo does this mean D. Hall starts in his place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Leo Glascoe @jetman20_1986 1m1 minute ago life ain't easy for a BOY name Su'a 6 minutes ago, RonBurgandy said: Sooooo does this mean D. Hall starts in his place? Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxSpearheadxX Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 8 minutes ago, RonBurgandy said: Sooooo does this mean D. Hall starts in his place? Deshazor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 23 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: Your point is Dan didn't say this as a quote but an employee had that as an opinion. So what? That's some smoking gun/big distinction? It makes no difference to me. Just like I said in my prior post does it jibe with Dan's reputation or does it not? I'll only address this part because you're not getting why it's being discussed: SoCal couldn't understand how I could just dismiss Snyder's own words that he literally said. I said I've never seen that quote attributed to Snyder in any way, shape or form...so I'm not dismissing Snyder's own words. That my opinion doesn't require dismissing anything Snyder said. You saying "who cares if Snyder said this directly or not?"...Well, SoCal obviously did lol... And if it doesn't matter if Snyder said it himself directly, if anyone overheard him saying it, or if it's just an employee's opinion...why not just say right off the bat "Yeah, I don't think it's ever been shown that he actually said that" to begin with?...why the need to dredge up vague quotes from articles that don't come close to showing that he did indeed say it, then insist that it proves he did? Everyone here should know this by now: I crave accuracy, especially when things are being repeated as proven fact that have not been proven as fact. So much gets repeated around here as if it's carved-in-stone fact that is nowhere near factual. It's amazing how much unnecessary drama occurs when you point that out lol...we're all grown-ass men (and women!)...we should be able to handle being told "That's actually not true" without needing to figure out why it's being said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaper Skins Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Meanwhile, the Eagles have spent this entire time with nothing to distract them from Sunday's game. Can't wait for week 1, great to see our organization all on the same page and focused on playing football. There's professional level football, then there's the Redskins. I wish the two would meet occasionally. Just so much organizational fail all around with this story. Hard to stay excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 26 minutes ago, MartinC said: Right listen up. There have been two offical rule 5 warnings in this thread now (disrespectful to other members) and one knuckle wrap. Feel free to attack other posters ideas and posts, and there have been quite a few in this thread that need attacking, but do NOT attack or be disrespectful to other posters. I don't think I did, but if the mods think I did I'll make sure to choose my words even more carefully... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 So it looks like Florio was wrong on the left squad list. He has to miss 4 weeks before another decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Just now, Califan007 said: I don't think I did, but if the mods think I did I'll make sure to choose my words even more carefully... You were not warned, or you'd know :-) But let's all stick to arguing the issues and not each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxSpearheadxX Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Reaper Skins said: Meanwhile, the Eagles have spent this entire time with nothing to distract them from Sunday's game. Can't wait for week 1, great to see our organization all on the same page and focused on playing football. Yeah it does blow. I hope that internally it doesn't affect the defensive players abilities to do their thing. One thing I know is Foster and Brown are going to bring it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbit Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 have we ever seen sua and doctson at the same time? Does one disappear when the other one plays..... really though lets hope Josh isn't next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 8 minutes ago, MartinC said: You were not warned, or you'd know :-) But let's all stick to arguing the issues and not each other. That's right, I've been warned before lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 16 minutes ago, RonBurgandy said: Sooooo does this mean D. Hall starts in his place? Hall is on the PUP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gooseneck Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 We keep winning the off season right into the real season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyst Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 I hate that "showed your true colors" posts on twitter and Instagram. Just stay off social media and play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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