Alexa Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Deshawn had to go. Tampa will get tired of him when he gets hurt and can't play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 I am not so sure about that. He played 15 games last year, and reported in the best shape of his life. I think he added 8 pounds or something like that. DeSean is poised to have another 1000 yd 18+ per season. I am more worried about our players being hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 DJax actually worked out better than I thought. Other than a few incidents he wasn't the problem I saw him being and he was a bit healthier too. But let's be honest, other than opening thing up by forcing defenses to respect his speed and making a few big plays now and then his production just weren't that great. He averaged 47/900/4.7 in his 3 seasons here, in today's NFL that's pretty pedestrian. Let's not think we are trying to replace Gary Clark here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregpeck99 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Jax had those big TDs against the Gints and Iggles ... but then disappeared for long stretches. Sorry Conn, I belong to the "Jax is/was over-rated" school. The WR group is in flux. Cousins relied upon Garcon (and Reed) for the bulk of his first down throwing success. Who will step in and fill this gap "consistently" is up in the air. I see Pryor, Doc, Grant, and Crowder as core. Hazel has emerged and is intriguing as Crowder's b/u in slot. But Doc is so unreliable ... Harris, Quick, and Davis must be retained in one way or another (i.e. Use of PUP or IR for one of these here!). Pascal and J. Quick go on PS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Torrey Smith has very similar career numbers than DJax in Washington. Torrey Freaking Smith. I sure wish we could finally see Doctson in action. In very limited play you can already see he is special. He just has that smooth grace of the great ones. Now can he run patterns and make catches? That remains to be seen. Quick? Screw him, he has never been any good. I never thought I'd say it but they need Ryan Grant. But boy an injury to Crowder or Pryor would really destroy this WR group, but if they stay healthy they are pretty damned good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Doctson has Sheehan and Cooley discussing potential trades for him this morning. Sheehan thinking we could get more than a 4th, Cooley saying no way. Cooley interpreted Jay's statements yesterday to mean that Josh lacks toughness. They most likely ran some tests and found nothing. Which sounds like a positive but seriously questions Doctsons manhood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexa Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Until proven otherwise the perception of Doctson is he's soft. Maybe he's getting some urgency about himself cause he wants to play in a meaningless pre season game tomorrow. If I'm Gruden I'm putting his ass out there and I don't care about risking injury. If he gets hurt tomorrow chances are he'd get hurt against Philly anyway. He needs to get hit and knocked a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Trading him would be a terrible mistake. But we heard the same thing about Cravens ruffling the feathers of teammates who thought he should have been playing last year. I thought SM valued toughness in his "football players". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsGuy Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 2 hours ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: Doctson has Sheehan and Cooley discussing potential trades for him this morning. Sheehan thinking we could get more than a 4th, Cooley saying no way. Cooley interpreted Jay's statements yesterday to mean that Josh lacks toughness. They most likely ran some tests and found nothing. Which sounds like a positive but seriously questions Doctsons manhood. Cooley is a moron. Gruden didn't infer in any way that Docston lacked toughness. That was Cooley projecting his own beliefs onto Gruden. If he'd stop enjoying smelling his own crap, Cooley might take the time to read how Docston made the team in college. If he did, he wouldn't question Docston's toughness. Or his heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 18 minutes ago, SkinsGuy said: Cooley is a moron. Gruden didn't infer in any way that Docston lacked toughness. That was Cooley projecting his own beliefs onto Gruden. If he'd stop enjoying smelling his own crap, Cooley might take the time to read how Docston made the team in college. If he did, he wouldn't question Docston's toughness. Or his heart. Says you, literally every time Cooley makes a negative assessment about anything Redskins related. Cooley wasn't even crapping on Doctson and went out of his way to say if he doesn't work out its not really anyone's fault. That pain tolerance is not something you can judge on tape or in an interview, so you can't pin it on Scot or anyone else in the front office. He made it very clear that he was interpreting Jay's coach speak, particularly the "ask him" part and what that means when a coach says that. The conversation was actually initiated by Kevin saying that he could tell Jay was really frustrated with Doctson, so it's not like Cooley had his pitchfork out and was ready to run somebody over today. I think you might the only guy left that isn't frustrated with Doctsons lack of availability and trusts everything on the surface about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsGuy Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 28 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: Says you, literally every time Cooley makes a negative assessment about anything Redskins related. Cooley wasn't even crapping on Doctson and went out of his way to say if he doesn't work out its not really anyone's fault. That pain tolerance is not something you can judge on tape or in an interview, so you can't pin it on Scot or anyone else in the front office. He made it very clear that he was interpreting Jay's coach speak, particularly the "ask him" part and what that means when a coach says that. The conversation was actually initiated by Kevin saying that he could tell Jay was really frustrated with Doctson, so it's not like Cooley had his pitchfork out and was ready to run somebody over today. I think you might the only guy left that isn't frustrated with Doctsons lack of availability and trusts everything on the surface about it. No I just don't question Docston's commitment, toughness, or heart. If he doesn't make it in the NFL, it won't be because of lack of effort or not caring. It will be because he just wasn't good enough or just bad luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 0 chance Doc gets traded. That would be beyond moronic. Yes he might be a bit soft right now but players can toughen up. Jordan Reed was soft early in his career too. Now you got the dude separating a shoulder and you have to drag him off the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Still feeling ****ty here. Hearing talk about Doctson may need to just suck it up and play injured isn't helping much, in the most meaningless game ever. So since its cut time, let's say he can't go for the next few games. We **** can Quick quickly because that what most seem to want. Yeah he has shown little, but did show signs of a break out last year. Crowder (in a largely new position facing a lot more snaps) and Pryor (lets be reality is raw and now has ****ing drop issues) Grant, Harris and Hazel/Davis. Crowder will move to slot on many downs, making Grant our #2 and regardless of where he is, will be used a ton. Does this all mean we have to run more since we telegraph it? I think we may see Reed lined up as a WR quite a bit which will allow us to carry Carrier, and help cut back on the holding penalties. Meanwhile, I think Garcon 0 drops last year is going to log around 100 catches out in SF, and DeSean will probably get 1000 with minimal effort/targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 michael phillips @michaelpRTD 15m15 minutes ago For the second day in a row, Josh Doctson was escorted away by the team's PR staff when reporters attempted to talk to him. Well, Jay did tell them to ask him about his injuries, apparently they aren't allowed to do so. 58 minutes ago, SkinsGuy said: No I just don't question Docston's commitment, toughness, or heart. If he doesn't make it in the NFL, it won't be because of lack of effort or not caring. It will be because he just wasn't good enough or just bad luck. I think it's pretty clear that he's good enough. Maybe bad luck, but plenty of players play with the type of 'bad luck' he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Doctson is and will continue to be a major disappointment and a bust, until he proves otherwise and if he ends up on the PuP again, because of strained feelings, then it is absolutely time to think about moving on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Stupid Loser Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Pryor can't catch, Doctson can't walk on the field without straining his patula oblongata. Crowder is good. The rest wouldn't make another team. Long season coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Just now, Fat Stupid Loser said: Pryor can't catch, Doctson can't walk on the field without straining his patula oblongata. Crowder is good. The rest wouldn't make another team. Long season coming. I was hyped about this receiving corps for a minute too. Even the back end seemed promising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexa Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 I just can't make a real judgement on Pryor and Doc until real games are being played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbias Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 12 hours ago, Darrell Green Fan said: DJax actually worked out better than I thought. Other than a few incidents he wasn't the problem I saw him being and he was a bit healthier too. But let's be honest, other than opening thing up by forcing defenses to respect his speed and making a few big plays now and then his production just weren't that great. He averaged 47/900/4.7 in his 3 seasons here, in today's NFL that's pretty pedestrian. Let's not think we are trying to replace Gary Clark here. That's a bit of cherry picking because it's 'per season' average when we know he missed games. Let's look at the 'per game' production: DeSean as a Skin (40 games) = 67.55 YPG and 0.35 TD per game Clark as a Skin (122 games) = 71.66 YPG and 0.48 TD per game Clark is still better, but let's not act like DeSean wasn't good in the uni. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxSpearheadxX Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 4 hours ago, Fat Stupid Loser said: Pryor can't catch Yes he can, he has recently struggled with the dropsies but you are being very dismissive. I guarantee that nobody is more upset about those drops than pryor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HogsVa7 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Did Doctson get hurt again? Just went to the topic and seeing cooley saying about trading, what happend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILikeBilly Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Unbias said: That's a bit of cherry picking because it's 'per season' average when we know he missed games. Let's look at the 'per game' production: DeSean as a Skin (40 games) = 67.55 YPG and 0.35 TD per game Clark as a Skin (122 games) = 71.66 YPG and 0.48 TD per game Clark is still better, but let's not act like DeSean wasn't good in the uni. If DJax played 122 games for us at his numbers, he would have 488 fewer yards and 16 fewer TDs. Clark averaged (over lots of years) 2 TDs more per season. Yards per season is close based on their averages. DJax was awesome for us, Clark for about 3 seasons was tracking neck to neck with Jerry Rice. That didn't last, but Rice is the GOAT at WR. Just my opinion, but if I had to guess, I would say that Clark would put 100% effort into run blocking when that was his job. For me, there are 2 IFs. For for Docston and one for Pryor. Docston - can he stay on the field? I still think the answer will be yes, but missing the preseason week 3 has me worried (long-term) Pryor - will he become consistent? By this, I mean crisp patterns and catch the balls that hit you in both hands. Again, I still think the answer will be yes. He just really seems to care about his craft and seems to put in the effort needed to succeed. These 2 need to prove it to us fans, but there is a lot to be hopeful for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Love The Skins Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 I'm not too concern aboutTerelle Pryor and Josh Doctson will be fine IMO.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 2 hours ago, I Love The Skins said: I'm not too concern aboutTerelle Pryor and Josh Doctson will be fine IMO.. I don't quite have your confidence, but I'm guessing our offense will be pretty darn good at some point down the road. I'm more concerned with the run game at this point. At least I feel a whole lot better about the defense, which can hopefully help the offense (especially the run game) a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 9 hours ago, Fat Stupid Loser said: Pryor can't catch, Doctson can't walk on the field without straining his patula oblongata. Crowder is good. The rest wouldn't make another team. Long season coming. Pryor had 4 drops on 140 normally off-target targets from Cleveland QBs last year. He had less drops than ODB, Evans, Hilton, DT, AJ Green (based on less targets) and Deandre Hopkins (Same as AJ) He had a couple of drops in preseason working within a new system. Suddenly he can't catch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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