CSN: Former Redskin OT Joe Jacoby Misses Out On Hall of Fame Again

[RandyHolt]

We are used to this, unfortunately.

 

But salt in the wound this time is Jerry ****ing Jones making it in, instead.

[carex]

8 hours ago, rdskn4eva said:

 

TD - He deserves it and has waited long enough.  Yea he played in a system that favored running backs and yes he had stacked teams and Elway, but dude had a 4 year run that you could stack up against any running back in history and if he hadn't gotten injured, we're talking about an all time great career.

 

 

the Hall is for what happened, not what might have happened, fact is he had only for years

[Ashburn Dave]

Total BS Joe should have gotten in years ago. 

[LetThePointsSoar]

Have taken a break from ES for a couple weeks....but...

 

...just needed to add my $0.02 to this. 

 

This is complete and utter bull****. 

 

That is all, carry on. 

 

Hail. 

[Bang]

An utter travesty.

It is disheartening to see that it only takes a short period of time before what came before and created what is...   is ignored.

Jacoby was THE prototype big lineman who could move athletically and charge upfield. He would pull and get going and it was devastating to whoever got in front of him. 

The fact these jackhole voters can't remember or appreciate this, and put in a kicker ahead of one of the true benchmark players is ridiculous.

 

~Bang

[Rskins06]

Totally ridiculous Jacoby has not been inducted into HOF.  He was arguably the best Tackle in football for many years during his career. 

 

I am hoping his time will come, he deserves it.

[carex]

7 hours ago, RedBeast said:

Jacoby should be in IMO, but O-Line....much harder to distinguish "extraordinary" from other positions. 

 

Andersen? Um yeah??? Great career IMO

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morten_Andersen

 

 

well, when you redefine a position I'd say you're extraordinary

[Darth Tater]

Look at it more positively, the HOF voters obviously believe that Joe Gibbs was the greatest NFL coach EVER.

[theTruthTeller]

I agree most of what was said here about Jacoby, but I'm afraid that with no clear metric for judging outstanding OL play, the voters rely largely on pro bowl and all-pro stats.  Jacoby was all-pro in '83 and '84 and made the pro bowl '83-86.  Just glancing at OLs who played at least 5 years in the 80's, the only player close to Jacoby's six honors was Russ Grimm (8).  The others are: Joe DeLamielleure (12), John Hannah (19), Bruce Matthews (23), Mike Munchak (19), Anthony Muñoz (22), Dwight Stephenson (10), Mike Webster (16) and Gary Zimmerman (16) - all stats for HOF members taken from here.

 

As far as the other inductees go, I have to say that the least likable things about ES is the ease with which other team's players are diminished.  Whether or not he made it on the first round, Jason Taylor was a sure thing.  He is 7th all-time in sacks and every eligible player above him is in the HOF.  In fact, all but one eligible player with 130+ sacks is in the HOF.  Anderson has the most field goals and most scoring points in NFL history and only one active player is even close to matching him.  There's only one other kicker in the HOF.  Warner and Davis had short but incredible careers.  I don't know what separates a short career from a too-short career, but I don't have a problem with either one of those players making it, especially Warner.  He's a great story about believing in yourself when absolutely no one else does, and he had to prove himself all over again even after he had won a Super Bowl.

 

Every team has one voter from their area and there are five at-large voters.  They need to be better at presenting Jacoby.  It may be that. in order to get Grimm in, they argued at least one of the Hogs needed to be honored, so now everyone thinks that honor has been bestowed.  I think it's a tough sell at this point.

 

[Barney B]

Part of the injustice of Jacoby's exclusion is in the selection process itself: there are only a maximum of 8 players inducted in the HOF per year. That adds up to less than 1/2 of 1 percent of the players in the league, so it skews the numbers, and means that virtually every player (and blowhard owner) who gets in, deserves to get in.

 

Add to that the inherent bias toward players who make highlight reel plays - QBs, RBs, WRs, and pass rushers - and it also means that lots of players who deserve to get in, will never get in. Jake will probably end up in that category, along with guys like Ed White, Joe Klecko and Michael Carter, who all dominated at their positions.

 

The selection process needs to be modified. Currently the Selection Committee is made up almost entirely of members of the press, and like the rest of us, the press are a bunch of suckers for headlines. You could get a much better balance of inducted talent if you altered the selection process to include the opinions of former players, and also increased the number of players inducted. Maybe you could even add a positional quota system, so that players who play less-heralded positions can get a fair shake. Of course, then you might risk having to change the name to The NFL Hall of Greatness.

 

BTW: There aren't too many people around who saw Kenny Easley play, but when he was healthy for a few years in the 80's, he was the player that Sean Taylor could have been. Todd Christianson played against both Easley and Ronnie Lott, and he said there was no question that Easley was the better player. The fact that it took him this long to get in is more evidence that the system needs work.

[justice98]

15 hours ago, drowland said:

 

That was Gary Anderson.  Morten was on two all decade teams and was all-pro six times.  He had the resume to get in.

 

Sucks Joe didn't get in.  Weird class overall.  LT sure, the rest is meh.  Thought Joe and TO should have gone in.  I would have put Faneca, Law or Dawkins in over TD and Taylor also.

 

Yeah, I have no problem with Morten Andersen getting in. I thought he was worthy when he was playing.  I fault the Hall for not respecting special teams.  There should be more specialists in.

 

But the Terrell Davis thing irks me. He shouldn't be in ever, IMO, but certainly if he was going to be in eventually, he deserved to have to wait 2 decades and struggle to get in like Jacoby.  

 

Just once, I want somebody to take the Harry Carson stance and actually stick with it.  19 years is absurd.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

No surprise. Bellends like King will never vote for him. 

 

Adds to making Canton the complete populist joke that it is. 

 

Hail. 

[thebeermonkey]

Jerry Jones in and Don Coryell not. Sums the whole thing up. I know who I would vote for having had the greatest influence and legacy.

[Rufus T Firefly]

This was the first year I had real hope he'd make it. And when I heard TO had tweeted that he hadn't gotten in, I really thought it was happening. Just bummed for the man.

 

I don't have any problem with LT or Warner. Andersen should have gotten in at some point. . Davis, not really. Taylor on the first ballot is a joke.

[Boss_Hogg]

This guy sends his regards

 

 

Peter King fought tooth and nail to keep Monk from the Hall, now he's set his sights on Jacoby. 

 

Guy is a real piece of work. 

[Reaper Skins]

[Bang]

RE: Coryell and Jacoby.. innovators and originators are forgotten while those who use what they built to garner accolades are celebrated.

 

The Hall may rely on writers and their biases, but in my house, Jake's a Hall of famer.

 

~Bang

[RandyHolt]

Either I dreamed it, or saw Joe Jacoby in a super bowl commercial, doing a lets just call it a saturday night live bit.

[TSO]

Even if we're going exclusively by the "fame" quotient, Jacoby was arguably the best player on THE most famous Oline in the history of the NFL. 

 

Anyone who knows football should know Jacoby. A fixture on a team that went all the way four times and won three Super Bowls with him starting on the most dominant positional group on the team. Essentially, the position everyone points to as the reason all those different QBs and RBs were able to succeed at the highest level. 

 

 What other claim to fame does he need? What am I missing? It's not like he's this unknown on a team filled with stars that outshone him. The Hogs were the Redskins. They were dominant, famous, and everyone knew they were the biggest reason for the success of the Redskins.

 

Maybe one can argue on an individual level that he's not, but are the other guys who made it really more famous than the Hogs? If someone asked "who is Joe Jacoby?", I'm sure as soon as the answer was given that he was a key part of the Hogs they'd immediately recognize he deserved a spot. 

 

If it's all about press, we could argue every founding member of the Hogs deserves a spot in the HOF. Frustrating. 

[Burgundy Yoda]

I've been trying to make sense of this in my head, and I just can't. I'll be the first to admit that I'm not old enough to remember the greatness at work that was The Hogs. Could it be that the unit was so great together, that it possibly discredits a single player? Such as, there's no standout player because basically every player on that line was fantastic in their own right. Doesn't make sense to me, but maybe that's what's happening here. 

[Dissident2]

So bummed for Joe. He wanted it so bad. I heard him on the radio on Friday talking about how difficult it is that day waiting for the news, but he said this year felt "different," suggesting he thought he'd finally make it. 

 

I know the big guy had a pretty major heart operation a year or so ago. Hopefully he'll be with us a long time to come, but sounds like the stress of this yearly ritual doesn't help his overall health. I believe next year is his last before he moves into the "seniors" group. Hopefully the voters will realize that he needs to be inducted before that happens. 

[Burgold]

I get that we are all biased for Joe, but I really can't get any arguments against him. He has the rings. He redefined what a football tackle should look like. He is part of a historically important and dominant unit. He is the constant in that unit... not the QBs, RBs, or even the Manleys or the Greens.

 

Him not being in devalues the Hall of Fame. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but it's ridiculous. In many respects, he's even more worthy than Art Monk and Riggins (though both certainly deserved to be in) When you think of the 'skins of the 80's you think Hogs first... then you might think Fun Bunch and Posse... and, of course, you think Gibbs, but I think you think Hogs and Gibbs first. That line deserves more than one entry. In fact, they should be inducted as a unit. I know they don't do it, but they should. Jacoby, Grimm, Bostic (even though as a solo he'd never rate it) Lachey, etc. deserve to be in as a group. 

[Stefanskins]

Alright, **** this bull****!!Cooley's right n I think the same...Jake is too humble of a soul to "brag" and campaign for the HoF...let's do it for him...I know with the collective talents of all you smart mofos we can make enough noise for next year...we need a game plan and start soon...probably need to start with a list of  the HoF voters...HTTR!!!

[redskindan07]

Total bull ****. Had he played in Dallas or New York he would have been in 10 years ago

[Rufus T Firefly]

2 hours ago, Burgold said:

I get that we are all biased for Joe, but I really can't get any arguments against him.

I really wonder how much of it is LT. It pops up pretty often that people think LT owned Jacoby, and I do wonder if that's the thing keeping him out. I think to a lot of people, the most famous thing about Jacoby is that he allowed Theismann to get his leg broken (even though Jacoby wasn't playing, people still think was).