The Evil Genius Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 At worst, we will end up like Kansas. That's the GOP's wet dream, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcunning15 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 49 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: At worst, we will end up like Kansas. That's the GOP's wet dream, right? Dear god help us if that happens. Just finished reading what's the Matter with Kansas it was written in 2005 everything that book pointed out about Kansas politics happening twelve years ago seems to be happening on a national level. http://politi.co/2hLVIci How many members of Congress will say they made a boo-boo like Gingrich over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 41 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: At worst, we will end up like Kansas. That's the GOP's wet dream, right? Kansas will end up like Kansas, along w/ Arkansas and Louisiana and a lot more red states, because they voted for this **** and ought to be the ones to suffer. They are touting this "everyone for themselves" plan, sooo.... good luck with that plan, let us know how that works out. Of course, they will expect everyone else to pull their nuts outta the fire or flood or tornado or whatever, but yeah, **** a buncha federal intervention. Again, good luck...... California will be ok because California will look out for itself. Blue states need to do the same, hunker down, work together and survive this mess until the insanity burns itself out. Those "snotty coastal elites" that are such a target for criticism can and will work together, because that's part and parcel of being human beings, having something beyond a fourth grade education helps you grasp the benefits of cooperative effort, etc. in a way that a lot of the rural antis refuse to acknowledge. Sounds harsh doesn't it? TBH I don't like it, it's a dreary vision for the coming years but that's where we're heading. The trogs ignore any disagreement, in fact that deny that any legitimate opposition exists, it's all a construct of the Lügenpresse. Vast numbers have opted for this delusion, willingly chose to be on a par with any meth-addled or Scientology-impaired dumbass. Enjoy the show, take a remedial course to brush up on your mocking skills, call 'em out each and every time they step on their dick in public, and when they cry foul remind them THIS is what they chose! This is the MAGAt infested carcass they rode to their "win". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Riggo-toni Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Outside of disdain for brown people, I don't think Trump and the ironically named Brownback have much in common from an ideological standpoint. Brownback is a Koch financed Ayn Rand plus Jesus ideologue. Trump is a showman who says anything but believes in nothing other than his own superiority. Trump isn't going to scale back government; indeed, he is much more likely to exceed W's back-breaking record exponential growth of the federal government. He can't possibly deliver any relief to the coal and steel industries like he promised, so he will waste billions on roads to nowhere in places like WV, PA, and WI. The massive infrastructure stimulus the GOP prevented Obama from passing will be replaced and passed by a far more bloated version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 And here comes the new narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 In the interest of fairness, good on Trump for taking issue with the ethics changes. The last thing the country needs right now is for ethics to take an even farther backseat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 1 minute ago, DogofWar1 said: In the interest of fairness, good on Trump for taking issue with the ethics changes. The last thing the country needs right now is for ethics to take an even farther backseat. Well he took issue with the timing of the changes, while showing sympathy for the action itself. But he should get credit for not fully endorsing them and giving them cover to keep going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 I've been pretty busy and haven't researched this ethics change a deep as I would like but I saw sounded like it would take power from the house to investigate its own ethics violations and would now have to be reported to an outside agency for investigation. Why is that a bad thing? *This is just based off of the 4 highlights I saw on the screen on CNN when I was getting ready for work this morning. I saw it couldn't have spokesman, had to report to an outside agency, and two other things I can't remember off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: I've been pretty busy and haven't researched this ethics change a deep as I would like but I saw sounded like it would take power from the house to investigate its own ethics violations and would now have to be reported to an outside agency for investigation. Why is that a bad thing? *This is just based off of the 4 highlights I saw on the screen on CNN when I was getting ready for work this morning. I saw it couldn't have spokesman, had to report to an outside agency, and two other things I can't remember off the top of my head. They wanted to do the exact opposite. They wanted to gut the independent watch dog and put it under house oversight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheGreatBuzz Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 6 minutes ago, No Excuses said: They wanted to do the exact opposite. They wanted to gut the independent watch dog and put it under house oversight. So what am I missing then because it sounds different to me. (not doubting you, I honestly don't get it.) Quote The proposal would bar the panel from reviewing any violation of criminal law by members of Congress, requiring that it turn over complaints instead to the House Ethics Committee or refer the matter to an appropriate federal law enforcement agency. The House Ethics Committee would also have the power to stop an investigation at any point and bars the ethics office from making any public statements about any matters or hiring any communications staff. http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/02/politics/office-of-congressional-ethics-oversight-of-ethics-committee-amendment/ It sounds to me like the "bipartisan group" they are wanting to take power away from is anything but bipartisan. It sounds to me like this may help get rid of some of the political based witch hunts. EDIT: Hate to hear Kelly is leaving. She is the only person on that channel I had any respect for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Keep reading, that's not what it does but that's what they'd like you to believe. I am a cynically, skeptically dark-hearted SOB as a rule, so I am kind of enjoying this already. The blatant attempts to cover their asses before they even commit crimes was predictable, but Newt already said that the Trumpet-in-Chief can just pardon anything so who cares. We will become Ameristan, one of those countries where corruption is a way of life and the cronyism and nepotism will slide by without any notice, all for the benefit of the chosen few, but hell, that's the way the world works, right? I mean nobody every really believed that freedom and democracy ****, it was all window dressing and marketing spin anyway so why even bother? If those complainers really mattered they'd be rich already so just tune 'em out. Hearing that MAGAt Spicer whine Sunday about people mocking the new Presidunce was such a gift, it has only just begun. There is going to be a glut of dark humor and cosmic levels of snark in the years ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Basically, the Representatives could do anything with impunity, shut down investigations at will. When one wants to get away with something, it's best to not be held accountable by any body so one can't be called into account. It's the Republican way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 2 hours ago, The Evil Genius said: There are plenty of young Dems that will be around in 4, 8, 12 years from now. First and foremost, I fully expect Cory Booker to be a major player in 2019. Not to mention Julian Castro, Kirsten Gillibrand, Kamala Harris. Just because they aren't leaders in the Senate or House, doesn't mean they can't win the party. -- Also..the House GOP are cowards. Changing the rules because too many of their members were getting caught? To borrow an overused phrase..SAD! If they are the future of that party. Then need to step up today. Not in two years when the mid-terms are happening. Right now. Because the Pelosi/Schumer crowd is a rallying point for their opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcunning15 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 31 minutes ago, DogofWar1 said: In the interest of fairness, good on Trump for taking issue with the ethics changes. The last thing the country needs right now is for ethics to take an even farther backseat. The only issue he seemed to take is the timing of this whole thing, rather than the removal of independence in congressional oversight. His actions seem to indicate that transparency, ethics, and oversight are of little concern to him. This seems more like an opportunity for him to brand himself as the good guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 When the GOP doesn't go along with Trump on something that probably is unrealistic. He'll point to this and call it revenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, @SkinsGoldPants said: If they are the future of that party. Then need to step up today. Not in two years when the mid-terms are happening. Right now. Because the Pelosi/Schumer crowd is a rallying point for their opponents. I agree that the Dems should have some younger leaders, but whomever the Democrats have as leaders will be the rallying point for their opponents. That's not a reason for changing leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, mrcunning15 said: The only issue he seemed to take is the timing of this whole thing, rather than the removal of independence in congressional oversight. His actions seem to indicate that transparency, ethics, and oversight are of little concern to him. This seems more like an opportunity for him to brand himself as the good guy. Oh I absolutely don't think he's being a truly a good guy here. There are other factors at play. But whether he did it for the right reasons or wrong reasons something somewhat positive did happen and he likely had a hand in it. There will be endless chances to attack Trump, I figure I might as well cut him some slack on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Hersh said: I agree that the Dems should have some younger leaders, but whomever the Democrats have as leaders will be the rallying point for their opponents. That's not a reason for changing leadership. That doesn't need to be the reason. They already have one. To move past their failures instead of repeating them. But keeping these names that are recognized by the votes at the socialist liberal or whatever, That's just handicapping yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcunning15 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 19 minutes ago, DogofWar1 said: Oh I absolutely don't think he's being a truly a good guy here. There are other factors at play. But whether he did it for the right reasons or wrong reasons something somewhat positive did happen and he likely had a hand in it. There will be endless chances to attack Trump, I figure I might as well cut him some slack on this one. I can agree with that to a degree and probably would feel the same way for any other politician if they did the same thing, but after the 8 years of the BS that the GOP threw at Obama I can't give them any benefit of doubt. The Dem's were nowhere nearly as awful as the Repub's were during W's eight years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tshile Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 1 hour ago, TheGreatBuzz said: EDIT: Hate to hear Kelly is leaving. She is the only person on that channel I had any respect for. She turned into a loud mouthed idiot as she got closer to, and then eventually had, her own show. I've always assumed that's because it's the character she was told to play. In her early work she seemed bright and considerate of other (thoughtful) ideas. I'm hoping her leaving foxnews and going somewhere else will get her back to what she used to be. I couldnt watch her show. It just felt like she was constantly yelling at me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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