Dan T. Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 2 hours ago, No Excuses said: White men killing innocent brown and black people is the ultimate act of heroism in the eyes of conservatives. Has been true throughout US history. Trump is decades of pent up rage against America’s acceptance of minorities and drift towards social liberalism. Deep down inside, every conservative voter wants a return of the times when laws existed only to subjugate minorities and white men had complete immunity to kill, rape and enslave. That’s when America was truly great. Pardoning murders in the military is slightly more acceptable than say, pardoning Dylan Roof, but the idea is the same. A signal to your hardcore base that murdering brown people is good and the government will support you as long as we control it. I wonder if Steven Miller had a hand in the roll-out of these pardons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 4 hours ago, mistertim said: In your opinion would you (or will others in the Navy) treat Gallagher differently or as "not a real Chief" now that he technically has that position back? Edit: I'll have to get back to this when I hav an actual keyboard in front of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Part of me is envisioning a completely unbelievable world in which these pardons cause the military vote to vote Dem, just for this one election. (Maybe Syria might be a factor, too.) Pretty sure it's not gonna happen. But it's an amusing fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Double post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 5 hours ago, mistertim said: In your opinion would you (or will others in the Navy) treat Gallagher differently or as "not a real Chief" now that he technically has that position back? Let me caveat my response with a few things. A full explanation would be extremely difficult and would require explaining some things that only happen behind closed doors. The decision would not be "mine" but a group decision after a group discussion. Also, it would partly depend on under what circumstances he was coming to my Mess. Was he just passing through for a beer or needed a hand cleaning his gutters? Or would he be coming to work at our command and be an active member of our Mess. Also I don't remember all the particulars of his case. I know a lot of people with him said he did some bad **** but also believe that his prosecutors were found to have to have broken a lot of rules and he was only ever actually convicted of posing with a body. Seems to me that there is much more to the story. Lastly, I've dealt with a number of operators and their Chiefs are different to say the least. That said, a lot of what it takes to be considered a Chief (vs an E-7) is trust in the Mess and that means no secrets. So I'm sure he would be given an opportunity to address the Mess before he was just brought in as any other brother. And it would depend on what he said and how much he was believed. Without knowing many of the things listed, I will lean towards saying he would be accepted as a real Chief. It is assumed that at some point he went through initiation and was accepted. It takes a lot to lose that acceptance (though it isn't exactly rare either) and a simple conviction of posing with a dead body when he is/was a Chief operator wouldn't be enough to lose that acceptance IN MY OPINION. Finally, because of the high vis nature of his case, I'm sure that "suggested guidance" would be passed down from the MCPON with input from the Fleet/Force Master Chiefs. And that would play a big role also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 I consider Gallagher to be complete scum, but if I were still enlisted I would be required to address him as "Chief" or face a page 13 reprimand for insubordination. (I've been out since 86, but that's my recollection. ) I also think the other Chiefs would address him by his name & not rank. (And probably avoid him like a non-saluted head in deck berthing.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, skinsmarydu said: I also think the other Chiefs would address him by his name & not rank. I don't know about your day but today, this would be a sign of respect. One Chief referring to another by rank (depending on situation) is a sign they consider that person to be an E-7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoneMessedUp Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Probably nothing but who knows with this White House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Must not have been a good golf day at Trump National. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 2 hours ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Let me caveat my response with a few things. A full explanation would be extremely difficult and would require explaining some things that only happen behind closed doors. The decision would not be "mine" but a group decision after a group discussion. Also, it would partly depend on under what circumstances he was coming to my Mess. Was he just passing through for a beer or needed a hand cleaning his gutters? Or would he be coming to work at our command and be an active member of our Mess. Also I don't remember all the particulars of his case. I know a lot of people with him said he did some bad **** but also believe that his prosecutors were found to have to have broken a lot of rules and he was only ever actually convicted of posing with a body. Seems to me that there is much more to the story. Lastly, I've dealt with a number of operators and their Chiefs are different to say the least. That said, a lot of what it takes to be considered a Chief (vs an E-7) is trust in the Mess and that means no secrets. So I'm sure he would be given an opportunity to address the Mess before he was just brought in as any other brother. And it would depend on what he said and how much he was believed. Without knowing many of the things listed, I will lean towards saying he would be accepted as a real Chief. It is assumed that at some point he went through initiation and was accepted. It takes a lot to lose that acceptance (though it isn't exactly rare either) and a simple conviction of posing with a dead body when he is/was a Chief operator wouldn't be enough to lose that acceptance IN MY OPINION. Finally, because of the high vis nature of his case, I'm sure that "suggested guidance" would be passed down from the MCPON with input from the Fleet/Force Master Chiefs. And that would play a big role also. Thanks very much for the response. Very informative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RedskinsFan44 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Nancy's not holding back a bit. ****'s getting real. https://mobile.twitter.com/FaceTheNation/status/1195481643978498049 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry.Randolphe Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 It's probably indigestion from eating too many blackened steaks and fried chicken in one sitting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Yeah, I was gonna say... he had a physical in February. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Sounds like bull****. Will have to wait for the real story in a news alert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busch1724 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Good words of wisdom here. NSFW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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StillUnknown Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Cooked Crack said: Sounds like bull****. Will have to wait for the real story in a news alert. I avoid doctors to my own detriment, but physicals now come in phases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Ah, Chef Aid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 *Wakes up. Gets coffee. Sits at office desk and goes to twitter to see what's trending.* "Hmmmm. Let's see here. #TrashyStefenik still trending. #WalterReedHospital okay. That would figure. #womem .......wait....what? Oh no. Now what?" *Click* Sigh. Whatever they gave him at Walter Reed is still working or they didn't give him nearly enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 hour ago, StillUnknown said: I avoid doctors to my own detriment, but physicals now come in phases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Only reason y’all dont get physicals in phases is because you are lazy. Like Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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skinsmarydu Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 In before Bang hoping he drops dead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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