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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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The immigration thread: American Melting Pot or Get off my Lawn

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America goes through phases of welcome and anxiety when it comes to the issue of immigration. Some groups seem to be welcome with open arms as Cubans were or people from Eastern Europe during the Cold War, but most groups Irish, Italian, Chinese, Latino, Jewish, Muslim etc. face varying degrees of hostility.

 

Most seem to acculturate and/or the culture adapts to fit them within its weave.

 

Today, we seem to be in a period of anxiety. After a prolonged recession, there was already talk in some corners about building the Great Wall of America. Now, with the Syrian refugee crisis we are seeing resistance both because of religion and a fear of terrorist extremism.

 

The question is not only what we should do and where we should stand, but what type of nation do we want to be. Are we the nation that turned away boats full of Jews fleeing the Holocaust or are we the nation that embraces those struggling and fleeing harm and despotism.

 

It's of course not a simple question there are economic, safety, and other factors that need to be weighed and measured.

At it's heart though is the question. What is America and are we the America we want to be?

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I'm probably one of the most outspoken critics of Islam (and really all religions) on this board.

 

But facts can't be argued against.

 

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Our refugee vetting process is good. I had my doubts about it, but the more I've read, the more it's obvious that we won't just let any jagoff enter our country. We have the ability to help these people escape a horrible situation and we should. You can be critical of the faith they follow, but still have the humanity in you to recognize that they are in need of help and it's better that you are able to reason and dialogue with them in a secular society instead of letting them die at the hands of barbarians.

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Terrorism is all about inciting fear and over reactions.  The US has roughly 2700 fatalities monthly due to car crashes.  We all still hop in our cars and rarely give it a second thought.  The reaction given the risk is totally out of whack regarding terrorism.  To give up some of the basis of who we are for such small odds is just illogical. 

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America was founded on the right to Religious Freedom and getting away from oppression. So what are we doing now? Trying to force religion on those that believe in something different and turning away people trying to flee from oppression.

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This is pretty hotly contested amongst me and my fellow evangelicals right now. Fear can't be allowed to destroy compassion.

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I think this article is worth re-posting, along with the quoted snippet regarding the process.  http://www.vice.com/read/is-it-legal-for-the-governors-of-more-than-a-dozen-states-to-refuse-to-accept-syrian-refugees-116

 

 

 

After you register with UNHCR, they get referred to resettlement to a particular country. So far I think they've referred about 17, 18, maybe 19,000 Syrians to the United States. Fewer than 2,000 had arrived by the end of the last fiscal year. It takes a long time to process people. We put them through so many layers of security; every refugee has to have a face-to-face interview with the Department of Homeland Security. They're compared against three or four security databases. They have to tell their story again and again. And then if the United States has, in its allocation for refugee resettlement, a place for them, they go through their medical history, their travel arrangements. This process usually takes 18 to 24 months to complete.

 

Combined with No Excuses' chart above, this paints a picture of a complex process that is fairly robust and successful.

 

If there was a clear point of weakness, I could understand temporary pauses to implement fixes, but there do not appear to be any major points of weakness.  Keep vigilant, but otherwise proceed as normal.

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This is pretty hotly contested amongst me and my fellow evangelicals right now. Fear can't be allowed to destroy compassion.

 

What exactly is being contested? The possibility of a terrorist coming in with said refugees?

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It's easier to get a tourist visa than it is to get refugee status. No ISIS member with any brains would try to sneak in as a refugee when there's a much easier route.

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What exactly is being contested? The possibility of a terrorist coming in with said refugees?

Oh yeah. Crazy stuff.

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People against taking refugees are throwing every excuse they can come up with out on facebook. Man, I can't wait to have an alternative to Facebook next year so I don't have to connect with people that way.

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It's not about keeping refugees out in my opinion, the biggest argument I see made is that we are allowing these refugees in without assisting our own.  There's tens of thousands of homeless vets or homeless children and families in our own country.  Why not take the resources given to the refugees to come here and distribute to our own?

 

Not to mention, it's already been found that ISIS is sneaking/attempting to sneak in to other countries as refugees.

 

All it takes is a couple terrorists to come in as refugees for another 9/11 to happen.  If you're fine with that then so be it but I'd rather not take that chance.

 

Now if we are talking about bringing in children refugees, that's a different story.  Bring all of the children over that you want.

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The knee jerk right wing (not all but a vocal and powerful faction) always seems to be happy punishing the majority to make sure that the miniscule minority with bad intentions doesn't get over on them.  

 

The screeds about the food stamp recipient buying lobster right in front of them in the checkout line are just the same.  They were against letting the women and children immigrants from central america last year because some of them had cooties for heaven's sake.

 

How did they grow up to be such pussies in the same country I grew up in?

 

This right here is one of the saddest examples of lousy Americans I ever saw.  Turns my stomach.

 

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/07/02/327738660/protesters-turn-back-buses-of-immigrant-detainees-near-san-diego

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It's not about keeping refugees out in my opinion, the biggest argument I see made is that we are allowing these refugees in without assisting our own.  There's tens of thousands of homeless vets or homeless children and families in our own country.  Why not take the resources given to the refugees to come here and distribute to our own?

I've yet to hear a really good explanation for that.

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It's not about keeping refugees out in my opinion, the biggest argument I see made is that we are allowing these refugees in without assisting our own.  There's tens of thousands of homeless vets or homeless children and families in our own country.  Why not take the resources given to the refugees to come here and distribute to our own?

We give billions a year to Israel a very rich country.  Nothing against Israel and I wouldn't turn it down either.  Just an example of the one of the thousands of others areas we waste money on that could be better spent helping vets and Americans. 

 

Immigrants in your scenario are just the very lowest of the low hanging fruit around.  Nobody with any power standing up for them.

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It's not about keeping refugees out in my opinion, the biggest argument I see made is that we are allowing these refugees in without assisting our own.  There's tens of thousands of homeless vets or homeless children and families in our own country.  Why not take the resources given to the refugees to come here and distribute to our own?

 

 

 

 

 

Well, it might have to do with the fact that our own are merely poor, but these refugees literally are getting murdered by Isis?  Just a guess.

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It's not about keeping refugees out in my opinion, the biggest argument I see made is that we are allowing these refugees in without assisting our own.  There's tens of thousands of homeless vets or homeless children and families in our own country.  Why not take the resources given to the refugees to come here and distribute to our own?

 

Not to mention, it's already been found that ISIS is sneaking/attempting to sneak in to other countries as refugees.

 

See, my issue with that argument is when it's made at any other time of the year, people bring up entitlements. They don't want to fund welfare and all that stuff. But talk about bringing in refugees and suddenly that's their argument.

 

I read that in 2012, a single refugee in Florida is given $180/month. We're not giving these refugees much.

 

And for your last sentence, I'd advise you to look at No Excuses chart.

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We give billions a year to Israel a very rich country.  Nothing against Israel and I wouldn't turn it down either.  Just an example of the one of the thousands of others areas we waste money on that could be better spent helping vets and Americans. 

 

Immigrants in your scenario are just the very lowest of the low hanging fruit around.  Nobody with any power standing up for them.

And I agree.  A lot of things we don't do right and waste money on when we could be helping our own.

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