Mr. Sinister Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Wtf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 So he gets a year for oppression ? Interesting to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) Makes me think of the scene in The Bad Lieutenant. Edited October 26, 2015 by China Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) https://news.vice.com/article/video-shows-cop-rip-female-student-out-of-desk-in-south-carolina-classroom?utm_source=vicenewstwitter A school district in South Carolina has opened an investigation into a video that shows a campus cop manhandling a female student in the classroom.In footage that emerged on Monday, a male school resource officer at Spring Valley High School in Columbia, South Carolina can be seen grabbing a student by the neck and throwing her to the ground while she is still seated at a desk. How does a man do that to any woman, let alone a child?guarantee you that cop is a **** without that badge and **** that teacher for just watching that **** as if its SOP Edited October 27, 2015 by StillUnknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Imagine how horrified we'd all be if the headline to that was "see how officials allow Chinese police treat children in Chinese schools". That's America, that's the system working as intended. That's how American police treat American children. That is hardly the only video showing that type of manhandling of children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSilverMaC Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 So he gets a year for oppression ? Interesting to learn. Interesting to me is that being a perv is oppression but denying constitutional rights is fine. If he'd have put her in a choke hold and killed her he'd probably be in less trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chew Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 My wife graduated from Spring Valley lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) Click to read the rest http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/former-st-louis-prosecutor-admits-covering-up-officer-s-assault/article_8a3ea38d-8021-576a-85a0-aa7d88fe923f.html Former St. Louis prosecutor admits covering up officer's assault on handcuffed suspect ST. LOUIS • A former St. Louis prosecutor admitted in federal court Monday that she helped cover up a city police detective’s assault on a handcuffed suspect that included beating him and shoving a “pistol down the guy’s throat.” In her guilty plea to a felony charge of misprision of a felony, Bliss Barber Worrell, 28, of Clayton, admitted failing to tell supervisors and a judge what she knew, and helping file a bogus charge against the man in custody. The term misprision relates to aiding someone in covering up a crime. Although the charge carries a potential penalty of up to three years in prison, prosecutors and Worrell’s lawyer agreed to recommend 18 months on probation. U.S. District Judge Henry Autrey will have the final say. Worrell’s plea could significantly expand an investigation, the public face of which so far has touched only her, the detective and one other prosecutor, who was forced to resign but not charged. Worrell has agreed to cooperate with investigators and provide truthful testimony “against other individuals,” Justice Department civil rights prosecutor Fara Gold said in court. Edited October 27, 2015 by BRAVEONAWARPATH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Kid started it but why would the cop drag her away like that, blatant abuse I'm glad people are recording cops doing bad **** because they're actually held accountable. Don't be a dick and you won't lose reputation over abusing a child in school. The news interviewed a Baltimore cop today and he works in a school and he was like "You need to deescalate the situation verbally." This bamma in Columbia just like I'M GONNA MAKE YOU GET OUT WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. Can't do that. Can't THREATEN people in a high school. De-escalate that ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Geez. Didn't they take him by Burger King too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I hadn't even watched the video yet because this kind of stuff had become so routine I was numb to it. But then I saw it on CNN. Holy cow, he starts by flipping the desk over with her in it. I mean, what the hell, man? That's a straight up roid rage, kill a man in a street brawl while ****ed up on drugs move. Something is very wrong with that guy. More wrong than most cops who screw up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Would this change your perception? Report: Clip shows SC girl hitting officer pre-slam By Mark Hensch http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/258300-report-clip-shows-sc-girl-hitting-officer-pre-slam shoulda just tazed her for awhile imo,compliance or easier detainment would follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Hard to change perception without the actual video. We'd need that released first. Even the article itself does not fully back up its own headline about the "pre-slam," part. Police in South Carolina say video exists of a female student striking a police officer during their confrontation earlier this week, a new report says. The video shows the unidentified girl, who is African-American, hitting Deputy Ben Fields amid their struggle Monday at Spring Valley High School in Columbia, S.C., according to The New York Daily News. The dailymail has what appears to be videos from 3 different angles, so one might be the previously unreleased 3rd video, though I'm not sure. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3291816/Second-video-violent-classroom-clash-emerges-fellow-student-claims-disturbing-incident-happened-girl-cell-phone-class.html None of them show clearly any physical action by the girl beforehand, at best she may have shoved him away as he began to grab her, but even that is just speculation as the camera movement at the same time as the cop moving into action in the 3rd video makes it a little unclear (2nd video is obscured by a laptop and 1st is too late and too close up). If she strikes the cop during the altercation, heck no, not a problem. If someone flips the desk you're sitting in then drags you along the floor, you're naturally going to resist. I know bad cops think we didn't evolve to react to pain and force over thousands of years and just go limp when someone grabs us, but we didn't. Some measure of shoving and slapping as a natural and instinctual self-defense measure is to be expected and hardly validates excessive police force. Even if she did something pre-slam, unless she's wearing brass knuckles, or attempting to stab/shoot him, no, it doesn't change things. She's a dang kid using a laptop and phone in a classroom against teacher's orders, not a damn knife wielding drug kingpin. At most she probably ineffectually shoved or slapped a guy who's at least double her size. Yeah, big man was real threatened. I understand this is a difficult concept for some, but Police are supposed to de-escalate the situation. Reasonable force in response to the situation. Move up the use of force continuum one by one. Maybe restrain her and pull her from the chair, I dunno, without flipping it, and that's assuming she hit him (which not a good assumption at this point). Flipping a desk like it's the damn WWE and it's Hell in a Cell night and the cop is doing his best "AND HIS NAME IS JOHN CENA" impression isn't de-escalating unless she's got a deadly weapon on her. Nothing so far suggests she had anything more deadly than sass and a rebellious personality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 how much non-compliance before you believe in escalation? serious question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPinstripe Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 how much non-compliance before you believe in escalation? serious question Completely depends on the situation. What they are doing, age, etc. If a child or elderly person isn't being compliant to a lawful order, shouldn't it be handled differently then an adult? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Completely depends on the situation. What they are doing, age, etc. If a child or elderly person isn't being compliant to a lawful order, shouldn't it be handled differently then an adult? Certainly, but perhaps we can use this case for the question? Will you simply allow the student to do as they wish till they get tired,hungry or bored? The assertion the cop is to deescalate when the reason they are brought into this situation is escalation is requested seems nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 how much non-compliance before you believe in escalation? serious question An hour maybe three? How long before her parents arrive? That's a child, in school, being difficult and rebelling against authority. Know what they'd do to a parent that responded the way that cop did? Right to jail. So take as long as it takes.Also stop calling police to arrest misbehaving children. Cops are far too dangerous and prone to violent outbursts to trust around unruly children. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 An hour maybe three? How long before her parents arrive? That's a child, in school, being difficult and rebelling against authority. Know what they'd do to a parent that responded the way that cop did? Right to jail. So take as long as it takes. Also stop calling police to arrest misbehaving children. Cops are far too dangerous and prone to violent outbursts to trust around unruly children. I certainly agree ya shouldn't bring in the cops unless ya feel the need for escalation to force....so why was he called? Do you think she would obey her parents if they arrived/were called? A cop lives under different rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 how much non-compliance before you believe in escalation? serious question As MisterPinstripe says, depends on the person they're dealing with. But also, in general, non-compliance that persists through moving up the use of force continuum, including through what would normally be reasonable force, would probably justify escalation. Even then though, I'm not sure escalation is the right word. Cops aren't meant to "escalate," as you keep suggesting. Police actions are meant to defuse the situation as peaceably as possible, so that means using as low of a level of force as possible to solve the situation, moving up the use of force continuum as slowly as the situation allows. In the vast majority of situations cops don't need to "escalate," they likely at most match the force that the criminal is either exerting on themselves or other people, or has the likely potential to exert on the officers or other people. A situation with a non-resisting criminal who is also non-compliant (a hippie chained to a tree, for example) would maybe be where "escalation" makes some measure of sense as a term, since they would have to use physical force to handle someone not using or threatening physical violence. But there, the measure of force necessary isn't particularly high, well below what was used in the videos, until force is reciprocated and movement up the use of force continuum is necessitated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 calling in the cops is escalation, they come with force and authority under the law. that you think cops should use equal/matching level of force tells me ya don't know much on their training....it is to control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 calling in the cops is escalation, they come with force and authority under the law. that you think cops should use equal/matching level of force tells me ya don't know much on their training....it is to control Escalation on the side of the non-aggressors, who are not matching the level of force the aggressor is exerting, is not escalation of the situation generally. Escalating one side is not the same as escalating the situation. If there's an active gunman shooting people, and the police get called, that's not escalating the situation, it's already at maximum escalation with just the shooter. The police then, authorized to use lethal force on the use of force continuum, will match the gunman's force, unless some sort of alternative exists (hostage situation with a negotiation attempt being such an alternative). And the fact that you think cops shouldn't be using equal/matching level of force tells me you don't know much about their training, unless you're talking about bad cops who are trained badly (who are exactly the kind of cops and police forces we're talking about in this thread). You control the situation, but do so by moving up the use of force continuum. Example of what such a thing generally looks like here: http://www.nij.gov/topics/law-enforcement/officer-safety/use-of-force/pages/continuum.aspx Excessive force is when police go higher on that continuum than necessary to control the situation. A jaywalker likely can be controlled via verbal commands. If their method of controlling the jaywalker is to punch him right off the bat, sure, that's "control," but it's totally excessive and unnecessary. If it was purely about control, there'd be no need for a use of force continuum or laws against excessive force by police. It's obviously not, it's about controlling and defusing the situation as peaceably as possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 calling in the cops is escalation, they come with force and authority under the law. that you think cops should use equal/matching level of force tells me ya don't know much on their training....it is to control there's no off button with you is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Please don't take this as me condoning the actions of some officers because I sure don't. But others have pointed out what they did wrong so I'm not going to go more into that. But why don't more people bring up the concerning lack of respect for authority of some people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 there's no off button with you is there?We've been searching for over a decade and still haven't found one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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