China Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) You guys have fun: 600 police gunshots during Stockton bank robbery were 'excessive,' report says The group found that 32 officers unloaded more than 600 rounds during the hour-long rolling gun battle, which spanned three counties, 63 miles of highway and reached speeds of 120 mph. One of the hostages, Misty Holt-Singh, was killed when she was struck by 10 police bullets, authorities said. The two other hostages jumped or were thrown from the vehicle during the chase and survived. Police officials said they fired on the vehicle to potentially save lives because the men in the car were shooting indiscriminately. The gunmen disabled 14 police cars with gunshots, the report stated. ... The report said that a few officers engaged in “sympathetic fire,” in which officers fired their weapons because others were shooting. In some cases, officers opened fire while colleagues were in front of them. The report highlighted an example during the final standoff, in which one officer lay prone on the ground and did not shoot while an officer next to him, standing, fired “round after round.” Many officers were immediately sent to additional training after the incident, but none have been disciplined by the department, Jones said. “‘What’s your target?’ the prone officer yelled, thinking he was missing something,” the report stated. “‘The car!’ responded the officer,” according to the report. Click on the link for the full article Edited August 18, 2015 by China Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) I have to say that I'm not sure I'd always criticize an officer who's firing a gun to try to disable a car (or to kill the driver) that's being used as a weapon. Not saying I approve of THIS case. Just that it's POSSIBLE. Edited August 18, 2015 by Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xameil Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Did all those cops goto the "Bad guy gun shooting training"? (Couldn't attach the appropriate cartoon from my phone) 600 shots fired and no result? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Hostage shot by 10 bullets...from the Police ? Damn, that sucks. Plenty of ways to stop a vehicle without shooting at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 I'm constantly finding myself ticked that YouTube doesn't seen to have a clip of that line from The Blues Brothers: "Excessive use of force, has been approved." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Plenty of ways to stop a vehicle without shooting at it. The tank? https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSdeJ_bypLVgjPyD5VKd_eLtbMHS26LXfW1s9yZas5U_GyriXx9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Car hits that it's stopping. Shooting at a vehicle with hostages inside...even you can't defend that. You can try your typical spin, but it won't go well. So easy to track suspects these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Hey, a police officer actually got charged for shooting a guy for no good reason, and its right here in NoVa. It only took 2 years. http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/former-fairfax-police-officer-charged-for-murder-of-unarmed-springfield-va-man/2015/08/17/d9b73460-3630-11e5-b673-1df005a0fb28_story.html Former Fairfax police officer charged with murder of unarmed Springfield man A former Fairfax County police officer was charged with second-degree murder Monday, nearly two years after he shot and killed an unarmed Springfield man who stood with his hands raised in the doorway of his home. The indictment of Adam D. Torres in the killing of 46-year-old John Geer, who had a holstered gun at his feet when he was shot, marks the first time in the 75-year history of the Fairfax County Police Department that an officer has faced criminal prosecution in connection with an on-duty shooting. Geer’s slaying in August 2013 sparked protests, shook trust in law enforcement and prompted county officials to begin a broad review of the department’s use of force and the way it communicates with the public about police shootings. “Justice is prevailing,” said Don Geer, John Geer’s father. “I figured it was going to eventually happen. It’s unfortunate we had to wait so long for it to take place. But our judicial system is going through its process, and we will see justice served.” At 3:34 p.m. as Barnes continued to negotiate with Geer, Torres fired one shot at Geer without warning, surprising the other officers, they told investigators. Geer retreated inside the home, and the police report states Torres told Barnes, “I’m sorry.” Not sure whether Geer was alive or dead, the officers waited 70 minutes for a SWAT team to arrive with an armored truck outfitted with a battering ram, according to the report. When officers entered the house, they found Geer dead just inside the front door. Torres told investigators that he shot Geer, because “he brought both his hands down really quick near his waist.” Torres said he felt Geer was a threat. “It was not accidental,” Torres told detectives. “No, it was justified. I have no doubt about that at all. I don’t feel sorry for shooting the guy at all.” But four officers on the scene and Geer’s father and a friend, who were also there, said Geer’s hands remained above his shoulders when he was shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Yeah and look what it took for those charges filed or for him to even get fired. 1- Two years. The shooting happened in August of 2013. This despite the fact that the police were on the scene and witness the entire thing so there was no investigation problem or trouble collecting evidence.2- "The department's handling of the case brought federal scrutiny after it withheld Internal Affairs files from county prosecutors" Slate3- The involvement of a US Senator (Sen. Charles E. Grassley-R) who wrote letters to the prosecutor and police chief demanding answers. WP.com Not to mention the media pressure surrounding this case. It's unrealistic to think that this kind of pressure can be brought down on every police department after every officer involved shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSilverMaC Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 http://wgntv.com/2015/08/16/pistol-whipped-detective-says-he-didnt-shoot-attacker-because-of-headlines/ ... I want to respond to this but I don't know which way I should. I am glad he is recovering fine though. I can't help but feel there is something amiss with this story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Thing for me is, what makes them more credible than those watching it ? That is something to be considered. They seem to get the benefit of doubt. Others seem to be dismissed or ignored based on the situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 ... I want to respond to this but I don't know which way I should. I am glad he is recovering fine though. I can't help but feel there is something amiss with this story. Why don't Alabama police have tasers or pepper spray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSilverMaC Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Why don't Alabama police have tasers or pepper spray? Or a baton... Like is said, something seems amiss in that story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Why don't Alabama police have tasers or pepper spray? Detectives usually do not carry more than a pistol, they leave the grunt work to the uniforms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) Ex-Cop who killed a citizen and claimed he saw his hands going to his waist, while his own fellow officers and the father of the victim claim they were up, faints in court. He fainted right after he was told he was receiving no bond. http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Ex-Officer-Charged-in-John-Geer-Shooting-Due-in-Court-322254421.html Edited August 19, 2015 by Gamebreaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Detectives usually do not carry more than a pistol, they leave the grunt work to the uniforms Then he should have left the grunt work to the uniforms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Then he should have left the grunt work to the uniforms. I'm sure he wishes he had, getting pistol whipped on a traffic stop is gonna make for some heavy ribbing. of course that is why the uniforms use force so much, to keep things from getting away from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I'm sure he wishes he had, getting pistol whipped on a traffic stop is gonna make for some heavy ribbing. of course that is why the uniforms use force so much, to keep things from getting away from them. Violence begets violence, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Violence begets violence, I guess. yep, it would be better if everyone was well behaved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Officer charged with attempted murder in December shooting A Baltimore police officer has been charged with attempted murder in the shooting of an unarmed burglary suspect last December, State's Attorney Marilyn J. Mosby and interim Police Commissioner Kevin Davis announced Wednesday. The officer, 13-year veteran Wesley Cagle, is accused of shooting Michael Johansen, 46, in the 3000 block of E. Monument St. after he had been shot by two other officers. Cagle was charged with attempted first-degree murder, attempted second-degree murder, first-degree assault and second-degree assault. Mosby said the first two officers were justified in shooting Johansen because he refused to heed commands and made a move toward his waistband. But Cagle "on his own initiative" came out of an alley, Mosby said, stood over Johansen, called him a "piece of [expletive]" and shot him in the groin. "Johansen was no longer considered a potential threat, as witnesses did not see Johansen make any aggressive or threatening movements," Mosby said. Both Cagle and Johansen are white. Click on the link for the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Suspended Cops Say Video of Them Eating Marijuana Edibles During a Raid Violated Their Privacy Remember the Santa Ana, California, cops who were caught on video munching on what seem to be cannabis-infused chocolate bars after raiding an unlicensed medical marijuana dispensary in May? The Orange County Register reports that three officers who were suspended after the incident are trying to stop the Santa Ana Police Department from using the footage in its internal investigation. Among other things, their lawsuit argues that the officers thought they had disabled all of the security cameras at Sky High Holistic and therefore had a reasonable expectation of privacy. The cops complain that the dispensary never got their permission to record them as they searched the premises. Click on the link for the full article Update: Judge Says Video Allegedly Showing Cops Eating Marijuana Candy Can Be Used As Evidence LOS ANGELES -- An Orange County Superior Court judge ruled Wednesday that a controversial surveillance video allegedly showing three police officers eating marijuana-infused candy and mocking a disabled woman during a May dispensary raid can be used in an internal investigation by the Santa Ana Police Department. The unidentified officers and their union, the Santa Ana Police Officers Association, filed a temporary restraining order earlier this month to block the video from being used in an ongoing internal investigation of the officers' conduct during the raid. The police argued their privacy was violated when surveillance cameras recorded them inside Sky High Holistic medical marijuana dispensary after they thought they had disabled all of them. Superior Court Judge Ronald Bauer rejected that notion on Wednesday, the Orange County Register first reported, saying that the officers had "no objectively reasonable expectation" that their actions and words during the raid would not be observed. Click on the link for the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Did they REALLY think that flimsy of a rationale for not allowing the video would work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Did they REALLY think that flimsy of a rationale for not allowing the video would work?Doubtful. Gotta try, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 But Cagle "on his own initiative" came out of an alley, Mosby said, stood over Johansen, called him a "piece of [expletive]" and shot him in the groin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 (edited) http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/08/cop_shot_himself_and_blamed_a_black_driver_police_officer_kelly_stewart.html “1 Shot Fired by Officer” The shape-shifting story of a cop who pulled over a driver and ended up shooting himself. On Dec. 18, 2012, in Durham, North Carolina, police officer Kelly Stewart pulled over Carlos Antonio Riley for a routine traffic stop. What happened next is a matter of intense dispute. Riley, who is black, says the officer racially profiled him then attacked him. Stewart, who is also black, says Riley engaged him in a violent, physical struggle. The encounter ended when Stewart accidentally shot himself in the leg with his firearm. Soon after, the police department logged the gun’s discharge: “1 shot fired by officer.” District Attorney Roger Echols, working closely with the police department, then launched a criminal case against Riley—claiming that Riley shot Stewart with Stewart’s gun. The DA kept mounds of evidence away from the jury that proved Stewart shot himself. And he pressed his case against Riley all the way to trial, where Stewart testified, under oath, that he did not shoot his gun. Earlier this month, a jury acquitted Riley of shooting Stewart, bringing a just end to a deeply troubling story. During the trial, defense attorney Alex Charns repeatedly described the prosecution’s strategy as “a shell game, a cover up, and a railroad.” Examining the evidence, it is nearly impossible to come to any other conclusion. From the start, Stewart’s attempt to detain Riley looked like bad policing. Stewart was driving an unmarked vehicle and dressed in plainclothes when he pulled Riley over—for “fishtailing” down the road, he alleges. Riley says he was pulled over for driving while black. Stewart claims the car slid forward during the stop, and he dove in to grab the emergency brake. Riley claims the officer pulled out his gun and screamed, “Get back, I’m gonna ****ing shoot you!” At one point, Stewart claimed he was standing outside the car during the fight. Later, he claimed Riley wrestled him onto his back in the passenger seat then climbed on top of him. Both men agree about what happened at the end of the encounter: One bullet was fired from Stewart’s gun into Stewart’s leg. The officer made a quick recovery. Riley was sent to prison. It’s not clear when the police department decided to assert that Riley shot Stewart, bringing in the DA to prosecute what had theretofore been treated as an accident. But it certainly didn’t happen immediately. Ninety-five minutes after the shooting, an official at the department filled out a gunshot residue analysis information form, which plainly declared that the officer—not the suspect—fired the shot. On the day of the shooting, Stewart appears to have acknowledged that he fired his own gun. Edited August 20, 2015 by visionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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