Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted December 23, 2013 Author Share Posted December 23, 2013 Doc Walker practically neutered Orakpo on the radio this morning. Just to recap: - Redskins have "little pass rush when he's in and none when he's out" - Rak gets his sacks versus scrubs but when the game is on the line or playing an NFC East foe he disapears - tired of hearing about Rak's skill set when you only see one move (bull rush) with no progress Doc was heated. Can someone please take Doc into protective custody before the poster 98ORAKPO98 hears of this and goes on the warpath. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I just don't see how we can wrap up $8-$9 mil a year in a guy that has been just an okay pass rusher. Now i have seen his run game improve, but man that's a lot of cash when there are so many needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Sometimes I think Doc should be our head coach. He is and always will be a Redskin. The passion he shows is refreshing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadams5214 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Man why couldn't we have drafted Robert Quinn to pair with Orakpo. Quinn had 3 sacks today and now has 18 on the year which leads the NFL, he is only 23 years old and is going to be dominant for years to come. I wanted Quinn bad but was satisfied with Kerrigan, but now I wish we would have actually gotten Quinn. I think you are on to something - Robert Quinn must be who Haslett was referring to in his gushing quotes before this season --- Substitute Quinn for Orakpo and it begins to make sense - Washington defensive coordinator Jim Haslett believes the guy everyone calls "Rak'' has the potential to rack up a 17- or 18-sack season. "If he puts his mind to it, he could get that easily,'' Haslett said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I just don't see how we can wrap up $8-$9 mil a year in a guy that has been just an okay pass rusher. Now i have seen his run game improve, but man that's a lot of cash when there are so many needs. This is why franchising Orakpo makes the most sense. If he shows that he can start next season like he finished this season, then we can talk long term deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98ORAKPO98 Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Can someone please take Doc into protective custody before the poster 98ORAKPO98 hears of this and goes on the warpath. Hail. I'm already on the hunt with bow, arrow, and tomahawk in hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 I'd like to see what a good DC could mold Orakpo into, but I'm not sure I want to see us pay for that privilege. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraunMan92 Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Definitely overrated after seeing him get handled by a scrub like Tyron Smith. This is why franchising Orakpo makes the most sense. If he shows that he can start next season like he finished this season, then we can talk long term deal. Franchising him means we pay him top 5 money for next season. Not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Definitely overrated after seeing him get handled by a scrub like Tyron Smith. Franchising him means we pay him top 5 money for next season. Not worth it. I don't know if Smith is really a scrub. But he did make Orakpo his **** no doubt I'd like to see what a good DC could mold Orakpo into, but I'm not sure I want to see us pay for that privilege. I keep hearing this. What is a d coordinator supposed to do at this point? Trip the offensive tackle for him while he's in the middle of another bull rush? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIKKI8 Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 I hope the Redskins act fast if Shanahan is gone on Monday and try to put together a great coaching staff as quick as they can because the new defensive coordinator will need time to evaluate Orakpo and decide if he can turn him into a pass rushing monster that this team has lacked since Ken Harvey. I think Kerrigan is an average player who disapears for stretches during games but Orakpo has the potential to be great with the right teaching. I would really hate to see him let go and go on to a team like Seattle, Pittsburgh or New England and become the player we all have been waiting for. If they feel they can't resign him they definitly need to put a tag on him so if somebody else wants him they have to give up some picks and not let him walk without getting something in return. I would love to see what Rex Ryan could do with Orakpo & Kerrigan but I doubt that he goes back to being a def. coordinator again. If he isn't a head coach this fall he will be on TV somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 I don't know if Smith is really a scrub. But he did make Orakpo his **** no doubt I keep hearing this. What is a d coordinator supposed to do at this point? Trip the offensive tackle for him while he's in the middle of another bull rush? I don't know, maybe you're right and he's hit his ceiling. Part of me thinks this staff is just incapable of teaching him. He's not as athletic as the elite passrushers, not in the way that matters--fluid, loose hips, etc. But is he seriously incapable of learning a second or *gasp* third passrush move? Maybe. That would be depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 His arm length is an issue as well. Too many times he is easily blocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedlamVR Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 This thread is making me motion sick ... when 98 is playing well then people get high on him, then one mediocre game and he is terrible again and up and down and up and down ....bleah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakinaiken Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Doc Walker practically neutered Orakpo on the radio this morning. Just to recap: - Redskins have "little pass rush when he's in and none when he's out" - Rak gets his sacks versus scrubs but when the game is on the line or playing an NFC East foe he disapears - tired of hearing about Rak's skill set when you only see one move (bull rush) with no progress Doc was heated. hmm, what is Doc's opinion on Kerrigan's play this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 hmm, what is Doc's opinion on Kerrigan's play this season? Thought I heard him a few weeks back talking about how Kerrigan was busting his ass though he was "Obviously pretty hurt" or something like that, and as a result, was limited in terms of pass rush. Chances are he'd give Kerrigan a pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 I'd offer Rak $6 mil a year with. $500k bonus each year. I'd put injury clauses in the contract and some incentive bonuses for things like 15+ sacks or something. If he turns that down and I'm sure he would, I'd open the door and see him out to the waiting room then tell Rob Jackson to come on in, let's talk turkey. We have a lot of money and several holes to fill or spots to improve. Can Jackson/Jenkins provide equal or better rushing and LB play at a fraction of the cost? I think I'd take my chances with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 hmm, what is Doc's opinion on Kerrigan's play this season? He said during and after yesterdays radio broadcast of the game that we (meaning the entire team) have no pass rush. He said we do NOT have an elite pass rusher on the team. He did not distinguish between rak or kerrigan. He made it clear the entire defense was about useless in terms of generating any pass rush. I ma a huge kerrigan fan but he is right. While I think kerrigan lays the pass and run better than rak, he is not going to scare anyone with his pass rush. EDIT - It's pretty sad overall, rak, kerrigan, and the whole front, when you can't get to a guy that has a herniated disc! Pretty embarrassing overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 I'd offer Rak $6 mil a year with. $500k bonus each year. I'd put injury clauses in the contract and some incentive bonuses for things like 15+ sacks or something. If he turns that down and I'm sure he would, I'd open the door and see him out to the waiting room then tell Rob Jackson to come on in, let's talk turkey. We have a lot of money and several holes to fill or spots to improve. Can Jackson/Jenkins provide equal or better rushing and LB play at a fraction of the cost? I think I'd take my chances with them. I think Rob could do enough to get by. Don't know about Jenkins. How can anyone, really.The guy is a Riddler sized question mark. With London's retirement, and Robinson missing 2 full seasons, if the team doesn't play their cards right, we could be hurting at LB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakinaiken Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Thought I heard him a few weeks back talking about how Kerrigan was busting his ass though he was "Obviously pretty hurt" or something like that, and as a result, was limited in terms of pass rush. Chances are he'd give Kerrigan a pass. Thought so. I'm not sure why Kerrigan gets a pass and Orakpo doesn't. Regardless of your opinion on Orakpo's talent or capabilities, I don't think anyone can question his work ethic and overall effort. And to my knowledge, i've never seen Kerrigan use anything but the bull rush when he's rushing the QB. Though i suppose Kerrigan is "injured," since he's never missed a play, never made an appearance on an injury report, and has never received any inquiries about a possible injury from media members. The obvious conclusion resulting from these facts is.... he's injured? Kerrigan's not injured, he's just not playing particularly well this year. And for the record, part of the recognizable vitriol in my post stems from hearing Doc constantly praise Kerrigan, when it's not really deserving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMVLeGenD Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Thought so. I'm not sure why Kerrigan gets a pass and Orakpo doesn't. Regardless of your opinion on Orakpo's talent or capabilities, I don't think anyone can question his work ethic and overall effort. And to my knowledge, i've never seen Kerrigan use anything but the bull rush when he's rushing the QB. Though i suppose Kerrigan is "injured," since he's never missed a play, never made an appearance on an injury report, and has never received any inquiries about a possible injury from media members. The obvious conclusion resulting from these facts is.... he's injured? Kerrigan's not injured, he's just not playing particularly well this year. And for the record, part of the recognizable vitriol in my post stems from hearing Doc constantly praise Kerrigan, when it's not really deserving. A few months back, there was a report about him dealing with a meniscus injury, but he, nor the team has ever brought it up, and he's never been on the injury report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 I think Rob could do enough to get by. Don't know about Jenkins. How can anyone, really.The guy is a Riddler sized question mark. With London's retirement, and Robinson missing 2 full seasons, if the team doesn't play their cards right, we could be hurting at LB True but how will we get to see what Jenkins can do if we resign Rak either? He apparently was drafted for his pass rushing skills. The only way to get him on the field is to take Rak off which defeats the purpose of having him. I know he is unproven etc but as a pass rushing specialist subbing for Jackson I think the two of them could platoon it and be ok. ILB is the real area of concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Our OLBs are schematically different than virtually every other teams OLBs. There was an article posted a few pages back about how Rak has one of the highest "sacks per rush" % in the league. I'd actually like to find that statistic, because if true, Kerrigan has to be similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 We've got two good pass rushers, Orakpo being the biggest concern by a chunk for opposing OCs. He makes year on year improvements, and scheme allowing, this year appears to have developed the inside move. As bad as Haslett's D has been Orakpo has been the stand out. He's better in pass coverage, has become stand out in run D and has an inside move, scheme permitting. He's 100% every practise according to all the coaches, and always has been. Intense is how he's described. Needs a better DC/scheme but that's true of the whole D. No way we let him walk as he enters his prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Tomb Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Agreed Pedro - this was his first double digit sack season since his rookie year. He was an absolute MONSTER for us this year; I think he has definitely learned a new inside pass rush move and that is catching lots of opposing linemen off guard. We need to upgrade the back end of the defense, but I think with the right scheme, our D is going to be okay next year. We also need to resign D Hall... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98ORAKPO98 Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 I think it isn't so much that Orakpo has just learned an inside pass rush move but more so he's been allowed to use it from a coaching stand point as of late. It doesn't take a genius to fake outside and then cut back inside. It's just Orakpo has to contain rush most of the time and isn't allowed to bail on his responsibilities to rush however he pleases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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