NYT - Redskins Cheerleaders Describe Trip to Costa Rica that Crossed the Line

[WelshSkinsFan]

19 minutes ago, Rhazaghul said:

But attacking bh32 for having an opinion that people have control of their lives and can decide to do or not do something they agree or disagree with is just juvenile and is quite frankly the issue causing problems in our country.  Dissenting opinions tend to get savaged now a days and those giving them are attacked.  Its easy to go along with the mob when they are raging and bh32 is finding out how it feels to go against the mob.  I just felt compelled to chime in after reading your attack "on his posts". 

 

I have not specifically replied to bh32 but in re-reading the thread he seemed to be doing a fair amount of attacking himself and a simple rule of internet forums from the halcyon days of AOL up to now is that if you attack you will be attacked in the endless circle jerk that is the futility of an online argument.  I know you feel compelled to jump in but I am going to guess that the guy making the argument that the Cheerleaders should have had the balls to tell whoever arranged the trip to go **** themselves probably feels he can fight his own battles, from his mothers basement.  

[clskinsfan]

1 hour ago, NewCliche21 said:

 

Right?  So some accounts corroborate the story.

 

And keep in mind that you have these cheerleaders talking to the very people who hold real power over them.  I'm never a fan of internal investigations when it comes to mistreatment of employees.

 

Something tells me this "internal investigation" is going to be watched very closely. Sign of the times and all.

[Gibbit]

I mean what the **** are we talking about here when you think about it. Some girls had some calender sponsor creepers, lurking around catching a glimpse of their chest being painted on some beach in a different country. Then they had to go talk to guys at a bar or party or something....hang out and socialize.

 

It takes them 5 years to garner the courage to say that guy saw my perfect boobies? we aren't talking assault here.....this is a mockery

[Dissident2]

The people who have the most to worry about will probably be the ones conducting the investigation. 

[clskinsfan]

49 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Brewer just rakes them over the coals, throughout his editorial

 

I'm sorry. What happened in Costa Rica is literally disgusting. But in typical Jerry Brewer fasion his article is over the top ridiculous. 

[Rufus T Firefly]

1 minute ago, Gibbit said:

I mean what the **** are we talking about here when you think about it. Some girls had some calender sponsor creepers, lurking around catching a glimpse of their chest being painted on some beach in a different country. Then they had to go talk to guys at a bar or party or something....hang out and socialize.

 

It takes them 5 years to garner the courage to say that guy saw my perfect boobies? we aren't talking assault here.....this is a mockery

[Gibbit]

15 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

Harvey Weinstein

yeah what he did was assault....rape.

 

this isn't. This is about somebody feeling uncomfortable/embarrassed 5 years ago

 

God get me a lawyer if that's all you need

[clskinsfan]

1 hour ago, skinfan2k said:

What 

how so?  This team needs a new owner.   Dan Snyder has 0 vision. He is just a conman who used his earnings to buy a football team

 

Sounds like someone else on here knows how he "earned" his fortune......

[NewCliche21]

1 hour ago, Playaction2Sanders said:

 

Umm I wasn't trying to be funny..

 

Well thank god because it wasn't.

 

Not sure what your point was, then.  Could you rephrase?

[Destino]

20 minutes ago, Gibbit said:

I mean what the **** are we talking about here when you think about it. Some girls had some calender sponsor creepers, lurking around catching a glimpse of their chest being painted on some beach in a different country. Then they had to go talk to guys at a bar or party or something....hang out and socialize.

 

It takes them 5 years to garner the courage to say that guy saw my perfect boobies? we aren't talking assault here.....this is a mockery

We're talking about sexual harassment.  Not exactly a new idea. 

[Gibbit]

25 minutes ago, Destino said:

We're talking about sexual harassment.  Not exactly a new idea. 

who sexually harassed them though? by looking? if you watch these shoots theres a lot of people behind the scenes

 

If it is just from looking, I just sexually harassed a neighbor of mine  and she caught me looking...oh **** She was wearing some spandex pants that left nothing to the imagination though.....should I have looked away?

[bh32]

18 minutes ago, WelshSkinsFan said:

 

I have not specifically replied to bh32 but in re-reading the thread he seemed to be doing a fair amount of attacking himself and a simple rule of internet forums from the halcyon days of AOL up to now is that if you attack you will be attacked in the endless circle jerk that is the futility of an online argument.  I know you feel compelled to jump in but I am going to guess that the guy making the argument that the Cheerleaders should have had the balls to tell whoever arranged the trip to go **** themselves probably feels he can fight his own battles, from his mothers basement.  

First of all i don't live in my parents basement..It's just my opinion that you shouldn't do something that is against your morals or ethics because you were told to do it...This isn't the 80's or 90's were if they said screw you we will just leave you here if you don't do what we tell you to do and have no one to turn to..These girls all have cell phones and can make a phone call to the proper authorities..I don't condone what the cheerleaders were asked to do,but they needed to stand up for themselves..

[mistertim]

27 minutes ago, Gibbit said:

who sexually harassed them though? by looking? if you watch these shoots theres a lot of people behind the scenes

 

If it is just from looking I just sexually harassed a neighbor of mine  and she caught me looking...oh ****

 

They were, for all intents and purposes, forced to get naked in front of a bunch of rich male strangers and then after that forced to essentially go on dates with one of them if that guy "picked" them. Yes there are people behind the scenes in those shoots but almost every one of them are professionals involved in it: makeup artists, photographers, etc. It's quite different to have some random guys getting to stand around and ogle them because they give Dan Synder lots of money. And then on top of that if one of them chooses you, you are forced to "entertain" them or be some sort of arm candy later. And god only knows what some of those guys might have expected or tried.

 

If you can't see something wrong with that and can't differentiate between it and glancing at your neighbor then I don't know what to tell you.

[Gibbit]

Dude I cant differentiate between scenarios because that could be you and I down there drinking beers in a different life.....some cheerleader is taking her top off,what are we going to do....look at some boobies

[mistertim]

4 minutes ago, Gibbit said:

Dude I cant differiniate between it because that could be you and I down there drinking beers in a different life.....some cheerleader is taking her top off what are we going to do. look

 

Personally I would feel really uncomfortable in that situation and would probably leave or say something to whoever was running it as I'd guess there was a 99% chance that "let random guys watch me take my clothes off" wasn't something that those girls checked on their "things I'm looking forward to" lists.

[thebluefood]

If some of you wanna keep caping for Daniel Snyder and the front office and do your part to defend their honor, that's on you. I'm sure he and Bruce and everyone else in Ashburn is very grateful for your service. Takes a real brave person to stand up for a bunch of rich dudes on vacation against such overwhelming forces as underpaid cheerleaders getting duped by their employers into becoming escorts after having their passports taken away from them. 

 

[Gibbit]

7 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

Personally I would feel really uncomfortable in that situation and would probably leave or say something to whoever was running it as I'd guess there was a 99% chance that "let random guys watch me take my clothes off" wasn't something that those girls checked on their "things I'm looking forward to" lists.

It was calender sponsors...the guys paying for the shoot and the actual photographers/makeup folks

 

But yeah ill bow out of this discussion cause id drink the free beer and "woot" at every cheerleader

 

I guess we weren't such different life best buds after all

[XtremeFan55]

Jerry Richardson was accused of using sexually suggestive language and behavior in the workplace plus using a racist slur against a black team scout and as a result the NFL is forcing him to sell the team.

 

So far we have heard that 5 women cheerleaders who went on a 2013 team pleasure trip to Costa Rica had their passports taken away and were then forced to posed nude or with only body paint for a team calendar with numerous men watching and then having 9 chosen and told to act as escorts for certain sponsors.  These women felt uncomfortable enough that some even cried when told to be escorts that night and they also felt like the team was ‘pimping’ them to these sponsors.  

 

Sexual harassment has nothing to do with having sex but creating a stressful working environment using sexual suggestive language and behavior.  Just making comments to a woman co-worker that she has a great body and must look great nude qualifies.  It is words and behavior that is unwanted and that makes the woman uncomfortable that is the issue here.  

 

Since there are 5 women making this claim from the 2013 Costa Rica trip...I am willing to think there is a problem.  My wife had a hard time believing Bill Cosby was guilty until the number of women making claims went over 30.  It ended up being 56 women.  Five cheerleaders that have nothing to gain but now feel emboldened by the #metoo movement probably decided that enough was enough and that the environment experienced on these trips had to stop.  

 

This is a very real problem and I am willing to bet that more women are going to come forward.  Compared to what Richardson did...this looks worse in my eyes.  The real issue now becomes...will more women and people make a stand to bring justice and not let this be swept under the rug....or will people get so wrapped up in the game and entertainment of football to not care enough.

 

Most in here know how dysfunctional this team is and would love to see the ultimate change of new ownership.  This is your best chance.  People like those mentioned in the article plus those in charge like Snyder and Allen have to be held accountable and suffer the consequences

[Destino]

41 minutes ago, Gibbit said:

who sexually harassed them though? by looking? if you watch these shoots theres a lot of people behind the scenes

Professionals working a modeling shoot aren't the same thing as spectators brought in to leer at the cheerleaders.  

 

41 minutes ago, Gibbit said:

If it is just from looking

Seeing people differs from staring.  This is the sort of thing 5 year olds are taught. Allowing sponsors access to places where your employees are in a state of undress so that they can stare at them in hopes of getting an eye full is unacceptable.  

[Gibbit]

19 minutes ago, Destino said:

Professionals working a modeling shoot aren't the same thing as spectators brought in to leer at the cheerleaders.  

 

Seeing people differs from staring.  This is the sort of thing 5 year olds are taught. Allowing sponsors access to places where your employees are in a state of undress so that they can stare at them in hopes of getting an eye full is unacceptable.  

you still cant count staring as sexual harassment...you can say its creepy, but sexual harassment carries legal ramifications and legit claims would be waterd down by my drunk ass in the stands staring at a cheerleader...or my neighbor, versus some rich guy staring. Legally it cant differentiate between us, so I'm just as guilty...and it should be, if I was rich id still stare

but as far as the transition from bikini top to paint job, yeah get a ****ing tent to do the spraying/painting. I mean its that simple I guess

 

But as much as these reporters refer to body paint as "nude" I wonder if the girls in paint is what the sponsors are "staring" at

[Mooka]

So the Redskins are the part of Showgirls where the business gets too sleazy for the stripper/prostitute???

 

Pretty embarrassing. 

[Califan007 The Constipated]

2 hours ago, Mr. Sinister said:

 

Needs an independent investigation. No one should ever put any credence into any organization "Investigating" it's own issues.

 

"Yeah!!...And I...um...uh....."

 

 

 

"...Nevermind."

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, thebluefood said:

And once again, as someone who used to work as a reporter and still works in the media industry: any newspaper that doesn't want to be sued back into the stone ages would not publish a story like this. If they weren't sure this was "fit to print," they'd either throw it out altogether or sit on it until something came along to back their claims up. Are mistakes made? Absolutely - typos, miscalculations, and even benign misquotes are par for the course. Not this, though. Not on bombshell stories like this. That does happen but when it does, that means ruined reputations and purged newsrooms. It's bad for business. 

 

But hey! Who knows? Maybe, somehow, this whole thing is actually a crock of ****. Maybe this organization will be vindicated and they'll put that New York Times and all those other "mediots" back in their place.

 

3

 

"Yeah! Because I...um, I mean....uh...."

 

 

 

 

"...Nevermind."

[Gibbit]

"fit to print" has a new definition from when we got our news from papers and local stations. internet news integrity..... first beats fact

[DJHJR86]

There really isn't anything new to be said.

I do find a couple of things odd:

 

-More seemed to be excited over the prospect of this forcing Snyder to sell the team, than the actual (alleged) abuse these women faced.

-This thread on Twitter: 

 

At least 3 cheerleaders are in this thread saying things like, "I despise the term fake news, but in this case, not everything is accurate.", "LOL we were there! we were a part of it. We know exactly what happened (& we know exactly what girls who are trying to remain anonymous have went forward with this) 4 hours after story broke out we are able to call out fake news because we know it better than anyone else", "We were there. These are our friends literally making things up. If any of the stuff really happened and we would be behind our teammates back 100%, but it’s sad that these girls are making things up".

 

That isn't them saying they may have experienced things differently, they are outright accusing these cheerleaders of lying.  They claim that they were not told by the team to make these statements.  The NYT article quoted 2 anonymous cheerleaders disputing what happened.  That's a total of 5 who dispute this.  

[TheGreatBuzz]

So I just heard about this story.  All I can say is wow.  I'm not going to read the last 17 pages so I'll just stay out of it.  But I'm not surprised seeing some of the things just posted on this page.