Warhead36 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Just now, Voice_of_Reason said: I'm going to be clear about my thoughts about EB: I like him. I think he's the best OC we've had here since McVay, and I don't think it's remotely close. I have always liked the Reid offense, which is off of the WCO tree. I don't think there's a chance in hell if Scott Turner was the OC, we'd be having the type of success we've seen this year offensively. I think we'd see another plodding, run-first try "meh" offense we've seen in years past. We're already averaging 3 points more per game than last year, which is not bad given we had 2 absolute clunkers of offensive games with 3 and 7 points. If we continue to score between 20 and 30 points per game, that average is going to go up. However, there are 3 things which I think are extremely fair criticisms: 1. End of game situations with the lead. We haven't had many, and we've failed to maintain offense in both of them. We try to milk the close with a quarter to go, instead of just sticking with what's working. 2. When we get inside the 35, we start getting greedy. Instead of just continuing to just move the ball, we start taking shots at the end zone. 3. We run WAY WAY WAY too much on 2nd and 10, which is statistically the absolute worst time to run the ball. I'll even give you a few more 1st down runs if you stop the insanity of 2nd and 10 runs, which almost best case scenario puts you in a 3rd and 6. It's not perfect. There is no perfect. I still like EB. I get that this is more nuanced than "He sucks he should be fired" or "He's great he should be the next head coach" I think there are things he does well, things he doesn't. I do think he takes some criticism for no reason on certain things at times. He also had a BAD game against the Giants. Like a super bad game. I'm really interested to see how he learned from that and if they have better success in 2 weeks in the re-match. Solid points but I was hoping EB would be a bigger upgrade over Turner. Hes better but not by much. And Im curious how different the offense would look under Turner with a stronger armed QB. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetThePointsSoar Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 20 minutes ago, Dan T. said: Jones was my fantasy football 2nd string QB, sitting behind - [checks roster] - Kirk Cousins. Injuries - 72 Dan T. - 3 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Just now, Warhead36 said: Solid points but I was hoping EB would be a bigger upgrade over Turner. Hes better but not by much. And Im curious how different the offense would look under Turner with a stronger armed QB. So my counter to that is Howell also has been growing and developing, as has EB. There is a chance you see a lot more consistency the remainder of the year and the offense continues to improve. Turner was just bad. We still have 8 games to go. This could be a legit top 10 offense by the end of the season. There are always growing pains with a new system and a new QB. We’ve already scored 30+ points more times this year than we did in the previous 2 years combined, I believe. If we had anything good from the defense we’d have at least another win or two even with the offense being inconsistent. Hell, we might have one of the Eagles games if the defense wasn’t total crap 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwvr Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said: No we're not. We're barely in the same sport as the top teams. The Chiefs Dolphins game was impressive. Spags vs Vic was a great battle. All these older defensive and OL coaches matter so much and there isn't a lot of them. Im not saying we are super bowl Contenders but we are a top 12 team in the league if we won those games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Dolphins are overrated. Their offensive numbers are inflated by that 70 point game. Theyve been blasted by every good team theyve played. Their best win is the mediocre Chargers lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said: I don't think there's a chance in hell if Scott Turner was the OC, we'd be having the type of success we've seen this year offensively. I think we'd see another plodding, run-first try "meh" offense we've seen in years past. Good post, but this part I’m not sure about. Turner wanted to sling it with Wentz, they talked about it all offseason and we saw that early before it all fell apart very quickly. The run heavy dinosaur **** seemed mandated by Rivera (and to hide Heinicke). Turner wasn’t good I’m just not sure you’d see the plodding 80’s **** with Howell, who can finally chuck the ball and produce what we wanted from the misguided Wentz acquisition. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 9 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said: Well, Howell was pretty good but Stroud, man, do you look stupid. Better at pass blocking and anchoring than Charles. Tougher at the point of attack. But not a great athlete, so not going to be great on the move or in space. But he's better than Charles. Better than Charles. A player Matsko wouldn't let on the field for 3 years and then was named a day one starter until injury or benching or whatever. Another stupid decision by your beloved OC for some head scratching reason. 5 minutes ago, tomwvr said: Im not saying we are super bowl Contenders but we are a top 12 team in the league if we won those games We're barely a top 12 team in the NFC 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 14 minutes ago, LetThePointsSoar said: Injuries - 72 Dan T. - 3 Oh man, why you gotta do Dan T dirty like that? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickyJ Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Turner as a personality, I think it's fair to say that he sucked considering he lost the locker room. But his scheming ability is a wash to me. Heinicke is starting in the NFL because Turner schemed his weaknesses into a pill that teams and fanbases are somehow willing to swallow. We got a very, very short view of what he could have done with Howell during the finale. It didn't look bad. This post isn't a complaint that we should have kept Turner. It's a complaint that EB hasn't seemingly done much more than be a personality that the locker room can accept. Still half a season to go, but I'm mild on EB. Could be better, could be worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBNG Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said: Eagles have lost 4 of the last 5 to the Cowboys and nobody has won the East in back to back years in almost two decades, so I think the Cowboys have the edge. Blahh Unfortunately the Eagles are going to end that this year. In fact I got them in the Super Bowl again 2 years in a row. As much as I hate the Chiefs they're the only ones to stop them from getting their 2nd Lombardi. I hope I'm wrong. I don't want to see either team playing in the SB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwvr Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 47 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: Better than Charles. A player Matsko wouldn't let on the field for 3 years and then was named a day one starter until injury or benching or whatever. Another stupid decision by your beloved OC for some head scratching reason. We're barely a top 12 team in the NFC No argument - my comment is only if we had won those games 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 55 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: Dolphins are overrated. Their offensive numbers are inflated by that 70 point game. Theyve been blasted by every good team theyve played. Their best win is the mediocre Chargers lol Wait and see what they do to our defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoshuaj Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 1 hour ago, tomwvr said: Im not saying we are super bowl Contenders but we are a top 12 team in the league if we won those games Are you drunk? Every team in the league is a top 12 team IF they win “those” games. 🤦♂️ this board tonight, woof 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Warhead36 said: Dolphins are overrated. Their offensive numbers are inflated by that 70 point game. Theyve been blasted by every good team theyve played. Their best win is the mediocre Chargers lol Dolphins schedule full of weak team so they should make playoffs but get blown out in playoff game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins24 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, stoshuaj said: Are you drunk? Every team in the league is a top 12 team IF they win “those” games. 🤦♂️ this board tonight, woof To be fair, scoring 30+ in a loss is very rare. It's happened only 6 times so far this season, 2 of those were us. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) This explanation is as weak as the original call. Edited November 6, 2023 by Dan T. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 44 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Just now, Dan T. said: This explanation is as weak as the original call. But he did not come down on top of him, he went out of his way not to. Cop out. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) Philly just imploded in a Washington fashion. 3 penalties for 35 yards to allow the cowboys the ball on the 6 yard line with 27 seconds left. Cowboys then shot themselves in the foot in corresponding fashion with a false start and sack allowed, with no timeouts left. Then incompletion, then somehow a delay of game lol. Comedy of errors on both sides. Edited November 6, 2023 by Conn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwvr Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Eagles dont deserve to win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 This game is wild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwvr Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 30 minutes ago, stoshuaj said: Are you drunk? Every team in the league is a top 12 team IF they win “those” games. 🤦♂️ this board tonight, woof Jesus you cant read the older comments. all i said to start is the two losses to the giants and bears destroyed this season and if they had won this would be a different season with the qb play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Just now, tomwvr said: Jesus you cant read the older comments. all i said to start is the two losses to the giants and bears destroyed this season and if they had won this would be a different season with the qb play His point is every bad or mediocre team has “those two games” that would change their fortunes and make them a different team. Including teams better than us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwvr Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 27 minutes ago, Chris 44 said: But he did not come down on top of him, he went out of his way not to. Cop out. The ref was smoking crack if he saw that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Dan T. said: This explanation is as weak as the original call. Translation: "Yeah we ****ed up on that call. But I can't admit that openly so instead I'll pretend that the player did something to deserve the penalty that he clearly didn't actually do." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hangman- C_Hanburger Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Warhead36 said: Solid points but I was hoping EB would be a bigger upgrade over Turner. Hes better but not by much. And Im curious how different the offense would look under Turner with a stronger armed QB. Turner was predictable..EB uses motion allot better and gets mismatches. I just remember Turner running into the teeth of the D and NOT using screens and edge plays (I remember screaming at the TV on several occasions). I enjoyed the play selection the last 2 weeks. Turner would have never schemed that up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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