Est.1974 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 8 hours ago, philibusters said: Kam Curl is a good player, but he doesn't make splash plays in coverage. He ran a 4.60 at the NFL combine. He plays smart in coverage and part of playing smart if you lack speed is to understand you don't have the speed to get out of position. Thus he tends to be a fairly dependable but not great coverage player. As a run defender, he is very good for a safety, possibly a top 10 or so run defender amongst safeties in the NFL. That said splash plays are made by safeties in coverage--not in run defense. A fair deal for Curl would be something in the 3 year 40 million dollar deal. I’d let him go, something tells me that when he gets paid it won’t make him play any better….. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 6 hours ago, Est.1974 said: I’d let him go, something tells me that when he gets paid it won’t make him play any better….. Kam is a good player, and if affordable you keep good players, it's what you hope for when you draft them. I don't think he is worth re-setting the market price for him, but if agreeable to a reasonable contract you hold on to your assets when possible. I have a feeling that with a DC who can actually design a D around player strengths, there's a whole nother level to see in Kams play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 (edited) Wrong thread. Edited December 16, 2023 by RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 1 hour ago, bowhunter said: Kam is a good player, and if affordable you keep good players, it's what you hope for when you draft them. I don't think he is worth re-setting the market price for him, but if agreeable to a reasonable contract you hold on to your assets when possible. I have a feeling that with a DC who can actually design a D around player strengths, there's a whole nother level to see in Kams play. This new regime should not care about keeping players on this band of losers. If a guy hits FA, having been here should not give that guy a leg up on being here. I agree more with you when it comes to a guy like Cosmi who you may get a discount on signing to an extension now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philibusters Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 I may have completed missed it, but Monty Rice was released a couple weeks ago, I wonder why we didn't put a waivers claim on him. He is not the LB fans fantasize about, but my impression of him is he would have been the third best LB on this team behind Jamin Davis and Cody Barton. The Saints got him off waivers and we would have likely been a few spots ahead of them in the waiver order. Maybe if Davis and Barton were both healthy I could see passing, but with Davis out, he would be nice to have. Granted I do understand its near the end of the year, so by the time he learns the defense, there may be a game or two left, which won't be meaningful for us, so they may have just thought what was the point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Now I need t o have Tee Higgins on this team. Apparently this is his actual mom, on twitter: 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 21 hours ago, method man said: This new regime should not care about keeping players on this band of losers. If a guy hits FA, having been here should not give that guy a leg up on being here. I agree more with you when it comes to a guy like Cosmi who you may get a discount on signing to an extension now you remember the end of Jay Gruden's tenure? We'd been 7-9 for two years, 8-7-1 the year before, then the last year the wheels fell off. And then the next year we were right back to seven wins. I think we're at a similar place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 50 minutes ago, MrJL said: you remember the end of Jay Gruden's tenure? We'd been 7-9 for two years, 8-7-1 the year before, then the last year the wheels fell off. And then the next year we were right back to seven wins. I think we're at a similar place You’re probably right but where does that ultimately get us when it comes to Kam? I don’t want to be in the middle. Another factor to consider is that there are a bunch of box safeties/hybrid LB types in FA such as Dugger and Chinn. That should drag down Kam’s value. My bet is that Kam gets under $10M AAV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seantaylor=god Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 I like Kam but not paying one cent more than market value for him. It should not be difficult to find a fundamentally sound SS that doesn’t force a lot of turnovers our FO has just made it seem that way. Also, I’m not sure why the secondary has been so awful this year but he’s been a part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Yeah I can't understand Kam's regression. The safety play here has been so bad for so long he looked really good by comparison his first years. I wanted them to sign him long term to solidify a problem position. Now I'm not so sure. I agree with the thought to bring him back if the deal is at market price, if not find another one as there are several options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Curl is the perfect balance at safety as far as “do your job” and excelling at it. He isn’t a playmaker as far as game changing picks and such. He’s a big time player who does his job. He still does. This defense stinks. If I’m the new GM I’m sitting him down and saying, “we want you around, but we aren’t resetting the market. What do you think your value is?” His agent would probably be the one answering. If it’s wild, you let him test FA. If it’s affordable and fair, you keep him. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 2 hours ago, KDawg said: Curl is the perfect balance at safety as far as “do your job” and excelling at it. He isn’t a playmaker as far as game changing picks and such. He’s a big time player who does his job. He still does. This defense stinks. If I’m the new GM I’m sitting him down and saying, “we want you around, but we aren’t resetting the market. What do you think your value is?” His agent would probably be the one answering. If it’s wild, you let him test FA. If it’s affordable and fair, you keep him. Everything suggests their starting position won’t fall into what we’d deem as ‘affordable and fair’…. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seantaylor=god Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 54 minutes ago, Est.1974 said: Everything suggests their starting position won’t fall into what we’d deem as ‘affordable and fair’…. I bet he either 1. Gets overpaid on some bad team like Panthers 2. Is asking for so much he doesn’t get signed until late and signs a one year deal with a really good team like the Cowboys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) I think the thought here is that we may go full tear-down of this roster. Here are some moves I would expect we make this off-season as a result, ranked by likelihood: 1. Cut Logan Thomas 2. Cut Charles Leno 3. Cut Andrew Wylie (Post June-1st) 4. Trade Jon Allen 5. Cut Nick Gates Here's what our cap space would look like going forward (did not include Gates in this calculation, fwiw) 2024: $116.48m cap space (including $8m rollover from 2023) 2025: $167.5m cap space 2026: $235.3m cap space If we go full-rebuild, I would suspect that we would hold off on heavy spending this off-season. My guess is we would prioritize the draft, solidifying the OL, and adding cheap "money ball" style signings on defense, and rolling a lot of the cap into 2025 where we may be able to spend more freely. Edited December 18, 2023 by JamesMadisonSkins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Koolblue13 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 I can't find the quote, but even Cheeseman is surprised that he's still on the roster at this point. Tomorrow when he get's asked why he's not at practice and he has to tell them he thought he was cut, so he slept in is gonna be awkward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 41 minutes ago, HigSkin said: It is possible they also sucked 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Perhaps Rivera brought crap competition in because he wanted his draft selection to stay on the team...those 3 must suck 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoVaSkins21 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Just got a notification that Rivera finally cut bait with Cheeseman. Must've been painful to cut a guy they traded up for. What a joke this clown show has been Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Just now, NoVaSkins21 said: Just got a notification that Rivera finally cut bait with Cheeseman. Must've been painful to cut a guy they traded up for. What a joke this clown show has been Probably didn't get a replacement yet either...🤡 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickyJ Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, DWinzit said: Probably didn't get a replacement yet either...🤡 We don't need a replacement for it to be an improvement over Cheeseman. Signing someone else makes it an astronomical improvement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, NickyJ said: We don't need a replacement for it to be an improvement over Cheeseman. Signing someone else makes it an astronomical improvement. No argument! Cut the cheese and figure it out later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said: I can't find the quote, but even Cheeseman is surprised that he's still on the roster at this point. Here you go. I saw this yesterday as well. His comment didn't age too well Edited December 18, 2023 by zCommander 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 About time the Cheese was baked. He literally had to become an injury risk to others before Ron cut bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickyJ Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 I don't know who Jeremy Brenner is, but he writes for Sports Illustrated and clearly hasn't watched a Commies football game in the past two years. https://www.si.com/nfl/commanders/news/breaking-commanders-cut-camaron-cheeseman-after-botched-snap-vs-rams Quote In the NFL, long snappers hardly ever get credit for when they play well. They only get attention when they play poorly, like Cheeseman did on Sunday against the Rams. And it's clear that one bad game can cost you your job. Unfortunately for Cheeseman, that's the case here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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