The All Things 2022 OTAs/Training Camp Thread

[Cooleyfan1993]

Officially ONE WEEK from training camp. **** yes 

[Califan007 The Constipated]

 

 

[Califan007 The Constipated]

 

 

 

[FootballZombie]

Is that Sweat's first kid?

 

A lot of athletes have talked about how your mindset completely changes after having a kid. Could be the best thing for a guy like Sweat, right b4 training camp no less.

[Playaction2Sanders]

For me, what I'm most interested in for camp:

 

DE depth: Whose going to fill in for Chase while he recovers. Smith Williams, Toohill, Obada, Toney, Bradley "Martin Luther The" King. I wanna see how Toney has progressed, ever since his game vs Seattle where he showed he could chase down Russell Wilson on multiple occasions, I wanted to see more of him. I know he's more of a pass rush specialist but still.

 

Oline: Whose going where, what combination is gonna work best for us. Which young guys are gonna step up, Charles, Cosmi, Ismael. How good is our depth, which I believed was pretty good last year..

 

Brian Robinson: Can't wait to see this kid..

 

TE: This is gonna be fun to watch on the backend.. Between Turner, the project in Reyes, the reinvented Gandy Golden, Rogers and the hyped Hodges. Who in this group is gonna push for playing time behind Bates and Thomas who I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't start the season on the active roster.. I think the advantage goes to Turner but I like the way Hodges and Rogers looks on the field, both very smooth. I think Reyes is on the outside being a project and Gandy Golden could earn some looks elsewhere cause he has the hands, but experience is against him at that position and who knows how his blocking is..

 

Sam Howell: We all know the story about his senior season and his struggles without his weapons. But he was awesome when he had em the years prior. Lets see what he could do in the preseason.. If he shows glimpses talk about exciting. I love this tape during his freshman year vs Clemson when they were still in their prime. 

 

 

WR: I figure everyone else is gonna watch Dotson for me but I wanna see what happens between Sims, Milne, Ezzard and Brown.

 

Safety: Definitely curious about the new kid Butler and how Forrest has progressed going into his second season..

 

Cole Kelly: Watched some film on the kid, good god he's tall, I would say underwhelming athleticism but he does has some.. I didn't see a huge arm but I didn't see a kid who could get nervous in the pocket. He will be interesting to see, is he a camp arm???

Edited July 21, 2022 by Playaction2Sanders

[CobraCommander]

11 hours ago, Califan007 The Constipated said:

 

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

Jamin has range, sideline to sideline speed, he just needs to develop his instincts

 

 

 

[CobraCommander]

5 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

Jamin has range, sideline to sideline speed, he just needs to develop his instincts

 

 

 

Was that left guard supposed to block anyone because it looks like he was avoiding conflict.

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

That Jamin Davis clip is what made me want to draft him last year.  I'd be lying though if I said I have any confidence that he's not going to be a bust at this point.  The flashes were so minimal last season and now with talk of Mayo playing over him, it's pretty concerning.

[Warhead36]

Davis should have been a WSLB from the start. Don't ask him to read/react, just let him run free and make plays.

[philibusters]

I think Jamin Davis is an example of swinging for homeruns and extra base hits rather than singles.   You are going to have more than doubles and homers if you swing harder but more strikeouts and a lower batting average too.  Davis has the athletic traits of a plus player in the NFL.  We don't know if he'll ever be able to develop the non-athletic traits to really take advantage of his athleticism though.     It a 0-1 count to use the baseball analogy, but we'll have to see what happens.

[NewCliche21]

2 hours ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

That Jamin Davis clip is what made me want to draft him last year.  I'd be lying though if I said I have any confidence that he's not going to be a bust at this point.  The flashes were so minimal last season and now with talk of Mayo playing over him, it's pretty concerning.

 

That 52 clip looks like the BS clips they show after a guy is drafted. I'm not a footballologist but Davis seems like a waste of a first-round. I don't know that he's had any more impact than Holcomb.  I'm not saying it's his fault, he could be being misused, but he's just not doing the things.

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

18 minutes ago, NewCliche21 said:

 

That 52 clip looks like the BS clips they show after a guy is drafted. I'm not a footballologist but Davis seems like a waste of a first-round. I don't know that he's had any more impact than Holcomb.  I'm not saying it's his fault, he could be being misused, but he's just not doing the things.

Right, I’m aware there is bad tape on him just the same.  Just pointing out that the dude in that clip is what I envisioned- an athlete being an athlete.  To be fair, we all knew or should have known he was raw, and would be a work in progress.  The progress part is what’s up in the air.

Edited July 22, 2022 by BatteredFanSyndrome

[srtman04]

1 hour ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Right, I’m aware there is bad tape on him just the same.  Just pointing out that the dude in that clip is what I envisioned- an athlete being an athlete.  To be fair, we all knew or should have known he was raw, and would be a work in progress.  The progress part is what’s up in the air.

 

A first round pick should NEVER be "raw".   This is unbelievably bad judgement on Ron's part & Co part...

[BatteredFanSyndrome]

1 hour ago, srtman04 said:

 

A first round pick should NEVER be "raw".   This is unbelievably bad judgement on Ron's part & Co part...

Teams draft raw talent in the first round pretty regularly.  I think it's a bit too soon to write the kid's eulogy as well.  To this point - sure, it's not looking good but we should at least let this season play out before declaring his career over with.

[philibusters]

1 hour ago, srtman04 said:

 

A first round pick should NEVER be "raw".   This is unbelievably bad judgement on Ron's part & Co part...

 

Depends on if you want to swing for the fences or whether you happy hitting a single that maybe you can stretch into a double.

 

 

[Mrshadow008]

Figured this should likely go here was in a Twitter space the other night which also had chase rouillers dad in it as well. Said him and Chase rarely talk ball as Chase looks at it as his job. But the topic was number of o line being kept, starters etc. But what I thought was most interesting was Chase’s dad said he expects Wes to starter at RG instead of trai Turner once chase is healthy and back at center. 

[Koolblue13]

51 minutes ago, Mrshadow008 said:

Figured this should likely go here was in a Twitter space the other night which also had chase rouillers dad in it as well. Said him and Chase rarely talk ball as Chase looks at it as his job. But the topic was number of o line being kept, starters etc. But what I thought was most interesting was Chase’s dad said he expects Wes to starter at RG instead of trai Turner once chase is healthy and back at center. 

So do I. I think hes gonna have a really good second half to his career. 

[Mrshadow008]

1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said:

So do I. I think hes gonna have a really good second half to his career. 

I’ve thought so too. I know pff isn’t the end all be all by any means but I think it’s telling that Wes’ grade was 5 points higher than Scherffs and 9 pts higher than Turners last season. Plus it helps with continuity on the line. Just thought it was interesting considering the source. 

Edited July 22, 2022 by Mrshadow008

[TheShredder]

6 hours ago, srtman04 said:

 

A first round pick should NEVER be "raw".   This is unbelievably bad judgement on Ron's part & Co part...

They have continually put players in the wrong positions calling it 'Position Flex', which shouldn't be utilized or attempted at certain positions. Most of all, pushing an over-drafted rookie into MLB'er. Complete failure at every level. Davis was another round peg being hammered into a square hole. They've been ass-backwards on many levels. This will be the demise of RR & Co. Every player at this level got there doing what they did best, not something else. Flex a lineman, ok maybe. Flex a WR/RB yeah sure. Past those you're playing people out of position.

 

[TheShredder]

On 7/21/2022 at 9:09 AM, Playaction2Sanders said:

For me, what I'm most interested in for camp:

Nah, I don't care about anything other than who starts camp on the PUP, who's on the side field, and that Curtis Samuel is full speed. They were a healthy roster away from a winning season with steeper competition and less talent.

[mistertim]

20 hours ago, TheShredder said:

They have continually put players in the wrong positions calling it 'Position Flex', which shouldn't be utilized or attempted at certain positions. Most of all, pushing an over-drafted rookie into MLB'er. Complete failure at every level. Davis was another round peg being hammered into a square hole. They've been ass-backwards on many levels. This will be the demise of RR & Co. Every player at this level got there doing what they did best, not something else. Flex a lineman, ok maybe. Flex a WR/RB yeah sure. Past those you're playing people out of position.

 

 

Yeah that stuff is absolutely bizarre to me. And for some reason it seems like this franchise can't stop bringing in coaches that insist on forcing guys to play positions that don't play to their strengths. I don't know if it's hubris or just being inflexible but it drives me up the wall.

 

I remember watching Davis pre and post draft and thinking to myself that he was very clearly a Will type backer who should be put in a position to use his instincts and athleticism to make plays. Maybe he could eventually transition to a Mike, but with teams relying so heavily on nickel defenses nowadays, those more "traditional" roles aren't quite as important.

 

Then he gets here and the coaching staff takes a super raw LB with elite athleticism and tries to force him to not only come up to NFL speed after only 1 year of college experience, but at the same time have to be the play caller of the defense. I remember watching him and noticing how hesitant he was. He was not at all ready to be a Mike backer and it showed.

[Stone Cold]

20 hours ago, TheShredder said:

They have continually put players in the wrong positions calling it 'Position Flex', which shouldn't be utilized or attempted at certain positions. Most of all, pushing an over-drafted rookie into MLB'er. Complete failure at every level. Davis was another round peg being hammered into a square hole. They've been ass-backwards on many levels. This will be the demise of RR & Co. Every player at this level got there doing what they did best, not something else. Flex a lineman, ok maybe. Flex a WR/RB yeah sure. Past those you're playing people out of position.

 

I buy mostly what you’re selling here, but Micah Parsons had a probowl year last season playing completely out of position.  
 

Cookie cutting and broad brushing evaluations of players can lead to several inaccuracies 

Edited July 23, 2022 by Stone Cold

[TheShredder]

2 hours ago, Stone Cold said:

I buy mostly what you’re selling here, but Micah Parsons had a probowl year last season playing completely out of position.  
 

Cookie cutting and broad brushing evaluations of players can lead to several inaccuracies 

Clearly not the same caliber of talent.

Jamin Davis spent 4 years in college. Redshirted as a freshman, then was never good enough to be a starter until he was a Senior.

Washington clearly missed this pick and wasted #19 on him.

Complete opposite of Micah Parsons who was so talented that he hit the ground running in college and spent an entire Covid season training for the NFL.

Not an Apples to Apples athlete comparison, rather a boom or bust 1st round pick comparison.

 

They had a horrible draft last year and below average draft this year.

Jamin Davis is not a good NFL LB'er and they're trying to salvage the draft blunder now.

Edited July 23, 2022 by TheShredder

[Wyvern]

I'm using this thread,  because I didn't see one dedicated to the Offensive Line.  So, once Training Camp starts, I'm hoping to hear more about how the offensive line is doing. 

 

I'm posting this because I've seen some "You-Tube Analysts" who claiim the new FA Guards Washington brought in (Norwell, Turner) to replace Scherff  and Flowers are effectively past their prime and will not provide as much protection. They hint that will limit Wentz's effectiveness, and maybe even the running game.

 

If true, that could be worrisome, especially if Roullier still needs time to fully recover his pre-injury form. So, I'd be interested in peoples' thoughts on whether Washington's 2022-2023 interior O-Line will be able to provide as reliable a pocket as Wentz seems to need. 

 

There's also the issue of whether Cosmi continues his improvement at RT, and how good his ceiling is and if he can remain injury-free. While I think Leno will still be solid at LT,  Washington better hope both starting Tackles can play all 17 games.  Lucas can be a decent backup, but Charles can't handle either tackle position. 

 

Right now, it looks like Washington may keep just 9 players for the Offensive Line:   Charles Leno Jr., Andrew Norwell, Chase Roullier, Trai Turner, Sam Cosmi, Cornelius Lucas, Wes Schweitzer, Saahdiq Charles, Tyler Larsen.  IMHO,  It would be great if they could sign another tackle, or develop one.

Edited July 23, 2022 by Wyvern