FLSkinz83 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 hour ago, kingdaddy said: I think you're actually right about this; London Fletcher Ken Harvey Wilbur Marshall Monte Coleman Andre Collins ????? Marshall, Coleman and Collins was 30 years ago....I don't really count Harvey as a LB. He was a pass rusher. I'm talking about off the ball LB's. Marcus Washington and Fletcher are the only two I can think of who were good for more than one year. Guys like Pierce was good for one year here. Same for guys like Kennan Robinson or even Lemar Marshall. Holcomb is slightly above average. Trotter and Armstead weren't good here. The leaders of the defense are LB's. The leaders of the offense are QB's. We have stunk in both areas. No wonder we've sucked overall the past 30 years. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 2 hours ago, CobraCommander said: I gotta bad feeling about our run defense this year. And short pass… but the long-ball will be defended well since opposing Offenses won’t even need to try it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rook Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Signed Nate Gerry, you say? Well, just don't start calling them - "Lame Backers" The Rook 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballZombie Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) We brought in another project TE with no receptions in the regular season. lol Just playing the lottery at this point. One of those guys will pan out. Surprised we could not keep Cole Kelly on the 90 a bit longer, but I suppose that meas they like what the are seeing from Howell Edited August 7, 2022 by FootballZombie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said: It seems that our new fallback line for a guy who's not good enough at any position is that "he's a tremendous special teamer". How many guys have we heard this about? Bates, Apke, some of our rookie picks and now Gerry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jericho Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 5 hours ago, kingdaddy said: I think you're actually right about this; London Fletcher Ken Harvey Wilbur Marshall Monte Coleman Andre Collins ????? The sadder part is most of those guys were established elsewhere and then just signed here. Actually drafting and developing a good LB seems nearly impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Just now, Jericho said: The sadder part is most of those guys were established elsewhere and then just signed here. Actually drafting and developing a good LB seems nearly impossible. It's amazing how bad we've been at LB when you dig deep and look at it.....No QB or LB for 30 years? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 49 minutes ago, kingdaddy said: It seems that our new fallback line for a guy who's not good enough at any position is that "he's a tremendous special teamer". How many guys have we heard this about? Bates, Apke, some of our rookie picks and now Gerry. Bates was the top rated blocker at TE as a rookie. Dudes a legit starter, not a STer. So, your list is at 1 and STs is really important. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Next year could be a great year to go LB in the first. That or LT. Our roster is starting to turn into an overall solid construction. QB/LB/OT are the issue spots more than anywhere else. And I don’t think that happened by accident. QB may be erased with Howell. (I say may out of respect. Howell is obviously the GOAT) OT could be in okay shape where it is, and, quite frankly: we’ve had elite LTs for a very large portion of the last 20ish years and it didn’t do much for us. Sewell (among others) could be a legitimate option for us at LB this next draft. Sleeper wise I’m a big fan of DeMarvion Overshown. One of those guys with Jamin Davis (who I expect, in year three, to be a prime starter) and Cole Holcomb is actually a decent top 3 LB grouping. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinss Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Waiting for this team to fill roster holes is like being a kid again on Christmas morning. You run downstairs, presents are all piled up under the tree, you have visions of talking robots and remote control cars dancing around in your head, you open your present and it's underwear. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rook Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 25 minutes ago, redskinss said: Waiting for this team to fill roster holes is like being a kid again on Christmas morning. You run downstairs, presents are all piled up under the tree, you have visions of talking robots and remote control cars dancing around in your head, you open your present and it's underwear. Yeah, but it's underwear that your parents think has real potential. The Rook 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 44 Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 19 minutes ago, The Rook said: Yeah, but it's underwear that your parents think has real potential. The Rook ...and not unlike the Redskins eventually its going to stink. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 13 minutes ago, Chris 44 said: ...and not unlike the Redskins eventually its going to stink. Well, if that isn't a broken poo pipe of reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philibusters Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, KDawg said: Next year could be a great year to go LB in the first. That or LT. Our roster is starting to turn into an overall solid construction. QB/LB/OT are the issue spots more than anywhere else. And I don’t think that happened by accident. QB may be erased with Howell. (I say may out of respect. Howell is obviously the GOAT) OT could be in okay shape where it is, and, quite frankly: we’ve had elite LTs for a very large portion of the last 20ish years and it didn’t do much for us. Sewell (among others) could be a legitimate option for us at LB this next draft. Sleeper wise I’m a big fan of DeMarvion Overshown. One of those guys with Jamin Davis (who I expect, in year three, to be a prime starter) and Cole Holcomb is actually a decent top 3 LB grouping. From the PFF podcasts on roster building, its been ingrained in my head that elite Tackles are usually not worth it (unless on a rookie deal). A bad tackle may give up 8 pressures per game, an average to solid Tackle like Leno 3 pressures per game, and an elite tackle 1 pressure per game. Upgrading from a poor tackle to a solid tackle will result in 5 pressures saved per game and may cost you 7 million ( 3 million for the bad tackle and 10 million for the average to starting tackle), whereas upgrading from solid to elite will only save you 2 pressures per game and may cost you 15 million per year (10 million vs. 25 million). Edited August 8, 2022 by philibusters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 44 Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 43 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: Well, if that isn't a broken poo pipe of reality. Guess that came off a little negative, Im one of the more upbeat guys around here. Truly am excited for the season. lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 3 hours ago, philibusters said: From the PFF podcasts on roster building, its been ingrained in my head that elite Tackles are usually not worth it (unless on a rookie deal). A bad tackle may give up 8 pressures per game, an average to solid Tackle like Leno 3 pressures per game, and an elite tackle 1 pressure per game. Upgrading from a poor tackle to a solid tackle will result in 5 pressures saved per game and may cost you 7 million ( 3 million for the bad tackle and 10 million for the average to starting tackle), whereas upgrading from solid to elite will only save you 2 pressures per game and may cost you 15 million per year (10 million vs. 25 million). Glad to see that someone has crunched the numbers to prove with data what I've always suspected - OT is one of the positions where you either resign your own guy or prioritize in the draft. NEVER worth signing a starter in FA. To me, best FA elite pickups worth the contracts have been WR, LB, and maybe S. All others hamstring your team unless your window for a championship is 1-2 years (in other words, you are just one or two players away from a potential Lombardi). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superozman Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Nate Gerry was HORRIFIC in Philly, not expecting him to make the team here really. Rather have Landon easily 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 At this point, is it safe to say Collins is still resting on that albatross of a contract we gave him? I've heard absolutely nothing about any team having interest in him. Wild to me that Ron and JDR finally put him in a position to excel, he does, and then still complains that he doesn't like it. It's almost like he would prefer to be on the other end of opposing WR's and TE's highlight reels, and since nobody wants him to be that - he's just hanging out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 We’ll be trading away a late day three pick for a LB before roster cuts are made across the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 57 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: At this point, is it safe to say Collins is still resting on that albatross of a contract we gave him? I've heard absolutely nothing about any team having interest in him. Wild to me that Ron and JDR finally put him in a position to excel, he does, and then still complains that he doesn't like it. It's almost like he would prefer to be on the other end of opposing WR's and TE's highlight reels, and since nobody wants him to be that - he's just hanging out. Or they're trying to see what we have in Forrest and Butler through the preseason, before bringing a plug and play vet in. That's my hope. That Forrest looks really good in the BN, but not quiet good enough, so they bring Collins back and Forrest steps in and up when he's unjured. Allows Curl to stay where he's best. Lets McCain and Butler stay deep and nickle corner. Covers our LBer depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLSkinz83 Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 I'd be looking at Deion Jones. Seems like the Falcons would trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 22 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: Or they're trying to see what we have in Forrest and Butler through the preseason, before bringing a plug and play vet in. That's my hope. That Forrest looks really good in the BN, but not quiet good enough, so they bring Collins back and Forrest steps in and up when he's unjured. Allows Curl to stay where he's best. Lets McCain and Butler stay deep and nickle corner. Covers our LBer depth. I'm not mad at the team for Landon not being here, it was more just about how there's no whispers of any team being interested in him. I was under the impression the bridge is burnt - as he was pretty clear that he didn't like playing the position we'd want him to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 29 minutes ago, FLSkinz83 said: I'd be looking at Deion Jones. Seems like the Falcons would trade him. Yep, but his contract and offseason injury are concerns right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Roquan Smith is sitting out camp wanting a new contract. We don't have a 2nd rounder hopefully, so it would probably cost us a 1rst, but we might be able to trade for him and dump a bunch of this years cap into a bonus and resign him. Dudes a stud and one of the best backers in the league. That would definitely be us selling out on 22' and taking ourselves out of the 23' QB draft though. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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