CommDownMan Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, KDawg said: There was talk. It’s not actually a 160M deal. The key to looking at contracts is finding out how many years in that there is an “out” and guaranteed money. Jones deal is essentially 2 years $82M but realistically it’s 3 years 82 mil. If they got out after two years it’s an 18M dead cap hit. If they wait until after 3 the 4th year is only a $9M hit. So you could say it’s 3 years, 82M. Essentially $27.3M/year. Year 2 cap hit is $45M. They can take that hit or they can extend and add more guaranteed cash to lessen that hit and push it out. Well according to the notes 12M of 2025 salary fully guarantees in March 2024 So once that triggers the 3rd year switches to 30 million dead if they cut. I agree he won't see year 4, but I'm pretty sure it'll be a 3yr, 112.5mill deal unless they take some pain year 3. So if argue is 37.5 mill per year over 3 years. Since the won't cut year 2, they would trigger the 12 mill and it could be 94 mill over 3 or 31.3 mill per I suppose. Edited March 12, 2023 by CommDownMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 minute ago, CommDownMan said: Well according to the notes 12M of 2025 salary fully guarantees in March 2024 So once that triggers the 3rd year switches to 30 million dead if they cut. I agree he won't see year 4, but I'm pretty sure it'll be a 3yr, 112.5mill deal unless they take some pain year 3. Even in that case, they are paying their starting QB about the same as the Saints are paying Carr. $37M or so. Ultimately, he's about a third of what some of these other QBs are asking for and he made the playoffs and won a game. Would Jones be as valuable to someone else? Probably not. But if you're the Giants, at this point, why risk it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommDownMan Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, KDawg said: Even in that case, they are paying their starting QB about the same as the Saints are paying Carr. $37M or so. Ultimately, he's about a third of what some of these other QBs are asking for and he made the playoffs and won a game. Would Jones be as valuable to someone else? Probably not. But if you're the Giants, at this point, why risk it? They likely had to keep him, won't argue that. But I don't see them winning deep playoff games with the resulting team around him. It's a weird position to be in and as teams make these decisions I think there isn't always a good answer. Edit: I also question the team the saints will have around carr. Edited March 12, 2023 by CommDownMan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 minute ago, CommDownMan said: They likely had to keep him, won't argue that. But I don't see them winning deep playoff games with the resulting team around him. It's a weird position to be in and as teams make these decisions I think there isn't always a good answer. Edit: I also question the team the saints will have around carr. All fair statements. And I share similar concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 35 minutes ago, CommDownMan said: They likely had to keep him, won't argue that. But I don't see them winning deep playoff games with the resulting team around him. It's a weird position to be in and as teams make these decisions I think there isn't always a good answer. Edit: I also question the team the saints will have around carr. Saints are still 25mil over the cap as well, so they’ll have some moves to make in the next couple of days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommDownMan Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Est.1974 said: Saints are still 25mil over the cap as well, so they’ll have some moves to make in the next couple of days. The Saints are playing an interesting game. Although their division is so much worse, that the 37 mill QB argument may be more justified. Although the same deep playoff run doubt remains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Carr's cap hit this year is only $7mil: 2023: $7.2 mil 2024: $35.7 mil 2025: $45.7 mil 2026: $55.7 mil 2027: $5.7 mil Salary cap is essentially meaningless.... though Saints will eventually pay for it down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 I wonder where Sam Darnold lands this year…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, TradeTheBeal! said: I wonder where Sam Darnold lands this year…. Of course you do. 😁 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Seems like the Bucs are after Mayfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 hour ago, TradeTheBeal! said: I wonder where Sam Darnold lands this year…. Don't lose your focus on Cousins. You must be ever vigilant, ever ready. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommDownMan Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Mooka said: Carr's cap hit this year is only $7mil: 2023: $7.2 mil 2024: $35.7 mil 2025: $45.7 mil 2026: $55.7 mil 2027: $5.7 mil Salary cap is essentially meaningless.... though Saints will eventually pay for it down the line. They were 7-10 last year, are still 25 mill over the cap, don't have a 1st round pick. They have a few shiny toys, but they are paying for it right now to a degree. Carr could help them win in a terrible division, but that's a pretty low bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bifflog Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 ^^ I was seriously expecting more of a freakout on this thread over that tweet lol... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, Califan007 The Constipated said: ^^ I was seriously expecting more of a freakout on this thread over that tweet lol... Speaking for myself, I don't want him back. But I can't recall ever freaking out about the backup QB here so I won't freak out this time, too. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: Speaking for myself, I don't want him back. But I can't recall ever freaking out about the backup QB here so I won't freak out this time, too. I brought my popcorn and Coke and pulled up the recliner ready for some entertainment, and nothing lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Just now, Califan007 The Constipated said: I brought my popcorn and Coke and pulled up the recliner ready for some entertainment, and nothing lol... It's Sunday, people are feeling chill, most happy about the Payne signing, if it goes south, it feels like a Monday angst conversation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 IMO the best thing to happen for NFC East fans was for Daniel Jones to play just well enough to land a deal like this. Yes they can maneuver the cap and restructure but as we found out here restructuring is just kicking the can down the road. Eventually they will pay for giving that much money to a slightly above QB. As for Payne I'm just nervous at giving so much cap room to 2 DTs. That too will limit their ability to build a team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskin301 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 I just want Orlando brown this year this team needs OL help big time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, Darrell Green Fan said: IMO the best thing to happen for NFC East fans was for Daniel Jones to play just well enough to land a deal like this. Yes they can maneuver the cap and restructure but as we found out here restructuring is just kicking the can down the road. Eventually they will pay for giving that much money to a slightly above QB. As for Payne I'm just nervous at giving so much cap room to 2 DTs. That too will limit their ability to build a team. no problem, we're paying our QB peanuts...its a good plan, same model the Eagles followed with Hurts, now we need to coach up Howell and let everyone else eat. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 16 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: It's Sunday, people are feeling chill, most happy about the Payne signing, if it goes south, it feels like a Monday angst conversation. Bold part...very true lol... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Kiem just said on the Payne podcast they are trying to get Hienicke done. Im starting to feel it’s inevitable he comes back. I hope they just let him test the market because he won’t get picked up. So they have time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Resigning Heinicke makes no sense to me with a Scott gone and EB here. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballZombie Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 It they enjoy lighting money on fire I am available to accept donations. It would be about the same level of productivity towards the team. In fact, I take that back. It would be more productive as it prevents the team from getting worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan66 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 17 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: Resigning Heinicke makes no sense to me with a Scott gone and EB here. Makes all the sense to me, good backup, price, and fits the team style of play and one less QB to sign. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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