Wyvern Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) It struck me how much the O-line performance sagged today. And It was a bad time for that (especially on the right side) because it seemed like Turner wanted Heinicke to stay longer in the pocket and, if necessary, loft his pass to his safety/checkdown outlet. Strange because Heinicke seems to play better when rolling out and finding an open lane to throw through to reach his receiver. Problem was, the O-line wasn't able to maintain any of Heinicke's favored roll-out pathways out of the pocket -- a pocket that was collapsing more quickly than usual. When Taylor "bob&weaved" his way out of the pocket -- he was then having to throw more quickly than usual (and often off-balance too) ....before he'd be sacked. I saw that happening because of today's combination of weaker O-line plus less effective running threats, plus too many hobbled or backup receivers. Today's game plan (and limitations in perforformance) accentuated the fact that Heinicke's arm isn't strong enough to throw well, when/if he's off-balance -- especially those shorter touch passes where he has to loft it over onrushing defenders. Turner should have seen that, and schemed his offense tactics to the strengths that Heinicke DOES have (mobility, throwing dart-like passes from a balanced platform, quick mental processing speed for ad lib plays while scrambling, and the movie to try those throws.) ....Hmmm, so maybe it's a learning process for Turner too! Bottom line : None of the QBs on the WFT roster would do well behind today's O-line, and the hobbled groups of RBs and receivers. Until Cosmi, Scherff, Gibson, Logan Thomas, Samuels and Brown get well enough to play their quality game -- a scrambling QB (even with his deficiencies) might be the best option. If more of the starters get back (especially right side O-line) then maybe Fitzpatrick could be the better option, depending on how long it takes him to regain his familiarity effectively executing the WFT gameplan. Edited October 17, 2021 by Wyvern 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillBill26 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 I'd rather let TH work through the adversity and see how he responds. His supporting cast is weak and getting weaker. He might still have value as a veteran backup in the future. If he doesn't show any life after another game or two, put Kyle Allen in and see how he performs. This could give you more ammo to make a decision on the depth chart for next year assuming Fitz and a high draft pick aren't both on the roster for 2022. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catatonic Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Whoever, at any position, will ensure they don’t win another game is my vote. This **** needs to burn to the ground. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Might as well let him finish the season. If he improves great,if not better draft position and easier schedule next year. It’s not like he is holding back a good defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel.redskins Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Thankfully I took the family on vacation this week and couldn't watch the game. But I was at the Saints game and it really stood out how weak Heinicke's arm is. The Saints did not fear Heinicke's arm, at all. They played tight coverage on the line all game. I think Heinicke is a great guy and exceeded expectations. But Kyle Allen is the better option. He will open the playing field which will help the run game and time of possession which will ultimately help the defense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 It’s easy for us to say “just let him finish the season, what’s the worst that can happen?”. Not so easy of a call for Ron. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePackisback Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 47 minutes ago, PartyPosse said: Yeah. They're not remotely close to the same QB. One was a highly-touted, highly-skilled QB who had the qualifications to be a star. The other is an undrafted, undersize, underskilled 28 year old who doesn't even know his own limitiations. He will be a great QB. You watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballZombie Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: It’s easy for us to say “just let him finish the season, what’s the worst that can happen?”. Not so easy of a call for Ron. Its not good for the team. Every player n coach has money/jobs on the line. If he does not give you the best chance, he should not be out there. Gotta be counting the days for Fitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 3 hours ago, zskins said: WHY? He might get you a really high draft pick. Let's not be stupid here. Now how has that helped us in the past? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 13 minutes ago, ThePackisback said: He will be a great QB. You watch. Log off, Pack, you're drunk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 15 minutes ago, ThePackisback said: He will be a great QB. You watch. In the USFL! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: It’s easy for us to say “just let him finish the season, what’s the worst that can happen?”. Not so easy of a call for Ron. The last thing I want to see is him lose the locker room because some fans want a higher draft pick we can't use on a QB anyway. Suck for who, yo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExoDus84 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Fitzy won the competition in camp. When he's healthy, I think you give him back the reigns, especially if we keep losing with Heinicke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) I mean, seriously though it didn’t seem like any one was doing their job. A lot of dropped passes and weak ass runs. I guess I’m in the I don’t care camp. The only reason I want him to keep starting is because I’m hoping he will magically morph into the next Tom Brady somehow… Edited October 18, 2021 by CousinsCowgirl84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 40 minutes ago, KillBill26 said: I'd rather let TH work through the adversity and see how he responds. His supporting cast is weak and getting weaker. He might still have value as a veteran backup in the future. If he doesn't show any life after another game or two, put Kyle Allen in and see how he performs. This could give you more ammo to make a decision on the depth chart for next year assuming Fitz and a high draft pick aren't both on the roster for 2022. I don't necessarily have any issues with keeping him in, but why is it that people so often point to the supporting cast as the problem with Heinicke? Isn't it possible that it's Heinicke and his limitations that are part of the problem as well? Our OL has been well graded every week after the first one. Yes we've definitely lost guys and are running thin when it comes to pass catchers, but it's not like we have nobody there. Plus, few QBs get to have a guy with legit top 5 superstar skill like Terry to throw to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Heineke continues to be an enigma. When he lets one rip it’s either absolute money or downright awful. Of late it’s been more downright awful. He’s just a unique dude in that some times he makes a play that an elite player makes but other times it’s clear as day why he was a backup in the XFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 I would like to see Kyle; just too see if the offense can do anything different. We need to see if Kyle can be our long term backup. I don’t trust Ron one bit to find that long term QB and hope someone else will be in charge in 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, mistertim said: don't necessarily have any issues with keeping him in, but why is it that people so often point to the supporting cast as the problem with Heinicke? It's the same thing people said about Cousins. Some are just reluctant to blame the QB because they're desperate to believe that someone could be the answer. I get it. Edited October 18, 2021 by PartyPosse 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoVaSkins21 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Who cares. This is a 3-4 win team. They need to bench a lot of the fools in the secondary since none of those guys can cover or tackle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoggingGod Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, PartyPosse said: It's the same thing people said about Cousins. Some are just reluctant to blame the QB because they're desperate to believe that someone could be the answer. I get it. It’s an absolute insult to compare a top 12 QB like Cousins to Heinicke. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit33 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 How he doesn’t run RO and keepers is crazy to me. Maximize the dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 minute ago, wit33 said: How he doesn’t run RO and keepers is crazy to me. Maximize the dude. He's small and has a history of injury. If he gets hurt we are absolutely screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 When it comes to Allen, I think we also need to keep in mind that he's still coming back from a very serious injury. From what I read in camp coverage as well as what I saw in preseason, he didn't look that sharp. That's not surprising given how much rehab he's had to do, but we probably shouldn't just assume that if we put Allen in, we'll automatically see 2020 pre-injury Allen. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePackisback Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 35 minutes ago, Renegade7 said: Log off, Pack, you're drunk. Renegade I love ya buddy. I’m being serious. You guys will be good very soon. Mark my words. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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