2021 Comprehensive Draft Thread

[Riggo#44]

6 minutes ago, PartyPosse said:

Wentz is good but I don’t think he warranted his draft position. Injuries are a big part of that and he’ll eventually go down as a good QB that should have been great.

 

Also, Ben is a HoF but if you’re getting one of those from small colleges once every 20 years then I don’t like the odds.

Favre and Warner are other examples came from small schools. I just want to get away from the idea that you can't get an QB from X school, or division, or conference yadda, yadda, yadda. Its too limiting.

[PartyPosse]

7 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said:

Favre and Warner are other examples came from small schools. I just want to get away from the idea that you can't get an QB from X school, or division, or conference yadda, yadda, yadda. Its too limiting.

I’m not saying it doesn’t happen. Obviously it does. To say it doesn’t would be like saying every QB at a big school will succeed. I just don’t like it because the learning curve is so much more steep and with the impatience of Our regime, they’d never give them a chance to develop properly.

[Skinsinparadise]

16 hours ago, method man said:

Zach Wilson having a so so game against Boise

 

To each their own, I thought he was better than so so and better than good.  I thought he played very good.  I watched most of the game last night.  I am officially sold on him.   I was going back and forth but leaning positive in recent weeks.  Right now I am sold.

 

QBs tend to rise on the draft, I think he ends up a top 10 pick.  He has good accuracy all around the field.  He's elusive in the pocket.  His footwork is mostly good.  He readjusts his footwork well on the move.  Can throw off platform.   I disagree with the pundits who tout his arm strength.  I do think he has decent arm strength but he seems to have to step into some of his throws to put zip on them.    But then sometimes he has zip on his throws without having to put much of his body into his throws so am a bit torn on his arm strength. 

 

I'd like to see him under duress more to finish my judgment of how he'd play in the pros.  He often has time and open receivers.  But his pocket presence, mobility and accuracy is impressive.  I think he can be a good QB in the pros.  How good?  I am not sure.  i am still digesting.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

15 hours ago, Anselmheifer said:

 

3rd quarter 19/25 for 302Yd's and 2 TD's. I'll take it. I'm the worst QB scout, but I do like Zach Wilson. Love the gunslinger mentality, the pocket awareness and movement, the ball placement, and that he is a student of the game. I'd honestly be more excited for him than Lance, possibly. 

 

I haven't really watched Lance yet aside from highlights but plan to do so.  I am firmly now in the category of liking Wilson.  The next step for me is to decide whether I love him as a player versus liking.  But right now, I'd be cool with rolling the dice on Wilson. 

[Malapropismic Depository]

24 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said:

Favre and Warner are other examples came from small schools. I just want to get away from the idea that you can't get an QB from X school, or division, or conference yadda, yadda, yadda. Its too limiting.

 

The one exception to that rule, is Ohio State, right ?

[Riggo#44]

1 hour ago, PartyPosse said:

I’m not saying it doesn’t happen. Obviously it does. To say it doesn’t would be like saying every QB at a big school will succeed. I just don’t like it because the learning curve is so much more steep and with the impatience of Our regime, they’d never give them a chance to develop properly.

I think closing the door to small school QBs because such and such failed is narrow. Its no different than not wanting Fields because of OSU.

 

As for patience, let's see how patient they are when they pick a player they want, and isn't forced on them by the owner and his douchebag sycophants.

[KDawg]

After next season, when we have a great year and are picking in the 20s/30s I really hope Wydermeyer is on the board for us. He’s the TE I want more than any other. It’s not even close. 

[KDawg]

Etienne just had a really costly mistake. Dropped a toss and bobbled it forward. Caught by Notre Dame and returned for a touchdown. Mistakes happen but for a RB that certainly doesn’t help your case to be drafted earlier than backs have any business being drafted.

[Berggy9598]

Other than not being a dual threat, is there something specific ya'll don't like about Kyle Trask, or is still just "meh", or "I don't like him"?

[Riggo#44]

1 hour ago, Berggy9598 said:

Other than not being a dual threat, is there something specific ya'll don't like about Kyle Trask, or is still just "meh", or "I don't like him"?

Arm doesn't appear to be the strongest. "Throw it in the direction of Pitts" isn't necessarily an elite skill, either. He places the ball well, has good accuracy. I don't dislike him, just like others more, alot of it is mobility and arm strength. I wouldn't take him in the 1st round. When was the last successful immobile pocket passer? Most of them are in their mid-to-late 30s. The league is going towards more mobile, dynamic runners. 

[Riggo#44]

 

[method man]

8 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

To each their own, I thought he was better than so so and better than good.  I thought he played very good.  I watched most of the game last night.  I am officially sold on him.   I was going back and forth but leaning positive in recent weeks.  Right now I am sold.

 

QBs tend to rise on the draft, I think he ends up a top 10 pick.  He has good accuracy all around the field.  He's elusive in the pocket.  His footwork is mostly good.  He readjusts his footwork well on the move.  Can throw off platform.   I disagree with the pundits who tout his arm strength.  I do think he has decent arm strength but he seems to have to step into some of his throws to put zip on them.    But then sometimes he has zip on his throws without having to put much of his body into his throws so am a bit torn on his arm strength. 

 

I'd like to see him under duress more to finish my judgment of how he'd play in the pros.  He often has time and open receivers.  But his pocket presence, mobility and accuracy is impressive.  I think he can be a good QB in the pros.  How good?  I am not sure.  i am still digesting.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I haven't really watched Lance yet aside from highlights but plan to do so.  I am firmly now in the category of liking Wilson.  The next step for me is to decide whether I love him as a player versus liking.  But right now, I'd be cool with rolling the dice on Wilson. 

I posted this at the end of the first half. He got hot in the 3rd quarter. To be clear, I am a big fan of his and he is the guy I want in the draft.

 

This game was his biggest test and he passed it with flying colors. I don’t like that he turns his back to the pass rush at times and I worry he may be INT prone due to trying to fit the ball in tight windows but I love the athleticism, the moxie and creativity 

[Malapropismic Depository]

Book had a good game, did he not ?

Maybe in the right situation he could excel

[Sellersfan]

So much will change between now and the draft, much our draft position and my opinion.

I was a fan of drafting Sewell but I think we won’t end high enough. Last week I wanted to trade back like we did in 2011.

 

Now with Wilson climbing in the mocks I’m seeing a positive position to go Wilson or Lance. Could still leverage that to trade back if we find a motivated partner.

 

While Lance has an apparent “high ceiling” I’m not convinced WFT is the team to develop raw talent into a franchise QB (right now).

[method man]

Given Smith is in for Allen, I don't see this team winning any more than 4 games (I see a win against Dallas and perhaps one more team). NYJ and JAX will finish #1 and #2. That screams Lawrence and Fields. I also think the Giants will finish ahead of us. If you look at the other teams that could finish with 4 wins or fewer, none have a need for a QB except the Pats - LAC, CIN, MIA (via HOU pick). If we end up with #4, I believe we have a good shot at Zach Wilson. 

[Skinsinparadise]

I've seen I think enough to know that Fields is likely a pure stud of a QB.  I'd be as jazzed to get him as I was Chase -- simply because you need a franchise QB to win.  And Fields looks to me borderline slam dunk.  

 

The runner ups for me are Zach Wilson and Trey Lance albeit right now my take on Lance is purely just related to watching highlights and reading about the dude. I've dived some into Wilson so I am much more confident as to my opinion on him. 

 

At this point, I am hoping for a high round pick versus meaningless wins. 

 

We aren't going anywhere IMO without a QB so that's where my focus is in the first round. 

[KDawg]

Fields is my guy still. 

[Skinsinparadise]

11 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Fields is my guy still. 

 

Fields has been insane.  Sick season so far.   Accuracy.  Poise.  Mobility,  Arm Strength.

 

I've mentioned before when I listened to that QB coach who worked with both Fields and Haskins in the off season.  He was complementary to both but he had a hard time hiding that he thought Fields was in another strata.  The analogy below is the impression I got as to apples to apples.  

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

 

[Warhead36]

2 hours ago, method man said:

Given Smith is in for Allen, I don't see this team winning any more than 4 games (I see a win against Dallas and perhaps one more team). NYJ and JAX will finish #1 and #2. That screams Lawrence and Fields. I also think the Giants will finish ahead of us. If you look at the other teams that could finish with 4 wins or fewer, none have a need for a QB except the Pats - LAC, CIN, MIA (via HOU pick). If we end up with #4, I believe we have a good shot at Zach Wilson. 

Pats are bad but Bellicheck will get them to play well enough to not finish in the top 5.

 

Jets and Jags will be top 2. Some combination of us, the Cowboys, and the Giants will round out 3-5.

[petey hodge]

After another insurmountable3 point lead by the Giants, I guess it is...

Time to cheer for the JETS again, huh? 

 

GO J.E.T.S. JETS, JETS, JETS!!!!

[Skinsinparadise]

1 hour ago, petey hodge said:

After another insurmountable3 point lead by the Giants, I guess it is...

Time to cheer for the JETS again, huh? 

 

GO J.E.T.S. JETS, JETS, JETS!!!!

 

Yep, we got to hope they fire Gase.  Alas, I don't think they will.  He's their ticket to Lawrence or Fields. 

[Est.1974]

We have to draft a QB. Simple as that.

[The Consigliere]

On 11/4/2020 at 1:59 PM, UK SKINS FAN 74 said:

Although Trautman hasn’t exactly set the world alight this season with 3 catches I think, looking back at the nature of that trade by the Saints, all day 3 picks to get back into the 3rd round....how would we view such a trade?

 

Trade our day 3 picks to move up into the third round again. 
 

Gives us picks of 1,2,3,3,3

 

Five picks, likely top 90 in the draft. 

 

Trautman was unlikely to do anything this year. TE's usually only start to produce as pass catchers by year 2 or more likely year 3. Even if he was an aberration in the vein of George Kittle or Evan Engram, unlike those guys, he had a starting TE in front of him w/a reasonable track record in Jared Cook, and as such, barring injury Trautman was going to spend the year learning the positional requirements for the Saints, whether in line, move or anything else. 

 

I wouldn't do a trade like that though. History says the only thing that matters is the sheer quantity of picks, I'd definitely pass on that. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

 

1.

Jets

Trevor Lawrence

QB, Clemson

Saying that the Jets are bad would be putting it nicely. Signing a six-year deal prior to taking over as the team's general manager, it’s clear that Joe Douglas has a long-term rebuild on his hands. Not having any ties to Sam Darnold makes the decision to move on from him easier as the team hits reset on the young QB clock and selects Lawrence. The team should be able to get favorable compensation in a trade for the former No. 3 overall pick.

2.

Jaguars

Justin Fields

QB, Ohio State

There aren’t too many signal-callers who have started off hotter than Fields. With the same number of incompletions as touchdowns this year (11), he’s making a strong case to challenge Lawrence for the QB1 spot. The Jaguars, in need of a long-term solution under center, stamp Fields as the headliner of what will be an interesting rebuild moving forward.

3.

 

Cowboys

Penei Sewell

OT, Oregon

A scenario that no one saw forthcoming prior to the season, the Cowboys are heading toward a very early draft selection. An avalanche of injuries to players on both sides of the ball has the team faced with some serious decisions to make for the immediate future. With Dak Prescott likely back in 2021, the team runs to the podium to turn the card in with Sewell’s name on it. Having a surplus of offensive tackles in Tyron Smith, La’el Collins, and the former All-American Oregon blocker gives the team flexibility at the spot for the foreseeable future.

4.

Giants

Zach Wilson

QB, BYU

Daniel Jones’ issues with forcing the ball and constant turnovers have been an issue throughout his early career. In 21 career games, the former No. 6 overall pick has recorded 36 turnovers (21 interceptions and 15 fumbles lost). Not only are the turnovers disappointing, but they seem to always come at inopportune times. With his inability to take care of the ball, whether the decision is made by Dave Gettleman or someone else, the team must seriously consider ending the Jones era in the Big Apple. What a season it has been for Wilson. Every year we wonder which QB prospect will make a huge leap in their development and the BYU signal-caller has done that so far this season. An impressive 2,511 passing yards and 21 touchdowns to only two interceptions has made him must-see TV whenever the Cougars are on. Wilson’s ascension up draft boards is no fluke, as he’s shown the requisite traits that have caused scouts to seriously consider him as a top QB prospect. 

5.

 

Washington

Trey Lance

QB, North Dakota State

With Dwayne Haskins likely never starting another game for the franchise, Washington now enters into a similar position they were in a couple of seasons ago prior to drafting the former Ohio State thrower. It’s no secret that the team needs help across the board offensively, but no other position matters until getting it right at quarterback. Lance’s one-game audition shouldn’t swing the pendulum of his draft stock in either direction. What can’t be ignored is the physical traits and upside that he possesses after starting 17 career games. Similar to Haskins, drafting a one-year starter may be a risky proposition for the team, but it’s a risk that they can’t afford to pass up considering the current state of talent in the quarterback room.

6.

Chargers

Caleb Farley

CB, Virginia Tech

There’s no question that the team is overjoyed with the early returns of drafting Justin Herbert. With needs at offensive tackle and wide receiver, the team’s entire 2021 should revolve around surrounding him with the best environment possible. With that being said, the correct draft strategy to take is selecting the best player on the board that best suits the roster instead of pigeonholing themselves into selecting certain positions if the value isn’t there. Edge rusher and cornerback are two other needs where the value is better at the position. Farley has a lot of desirable traits that potentially could make him a top-flight corner at the next level. With the 2021 offensive tackle class being so deep, the team doesn’t need to rush themselves into finding one inside the top 10 that’s not named Penei Sewell.

7.

Dolphins

Micah Parsons

LB, Penn State

Still reaping the benefits from the Laremy Tunsil trade, the Dolphins have positioned themselves to get a blue-chip prospect in this draft class. The Dolphins are the quintessential model of how a team should rebuild, restock, and develop a roster. Seeing the blueprint of Brian Flores’ defense evolve and execute over the past 23 games has been a sight to see. Even though the team has begun to create a considerable amount of pressure off the edge, they still could use more help in that department and on the second level of the defense. Parsons is a two-in-one player in that he not only provides help at linebacker but also as a rush end as well.

8.

 

Patriots

Ja'Marr Chase

WR, LSU

Possessing a 2-5 record, the Patriots are off to their worst start since 2000. There’s plenty of blame to go around on both sides of the ball, but the team has to find a way to upgrade their offensive talent on the perimeter. With N’Keal Harry battling a concussion and simply not living up to his first-round billing to this point, the team has to find a way to replenish the talent there. Chase provides a potential No. 1 WR presence immediately with his ability as a natural route-runner and consistency with winning at the catch point.

9.

Bengals

Gregory Rousseau

EDGE, Miami

Joe Burrow and Zac Taylor seem to both be hitting their stride as their chemistry is beginning to form in harmony together. Even after the midseason signing of Quinton Spain, the Bengals offensive line still has lots of holes—particularly on the right side. With that being said, with so many holes and the 2021 crop projected to be deep, it’s important for Duke Tobin to select the best players for the long-term outlook of the roster. Following an unfortunate divorce with Carlos Dunlap, the team has a hole at edge rusher. Rousseau slides right in as the team’s Day 1 starter opposite of Carl Lawson—if they elect to re-sign him as he’s a pending unrestricted free agent.

10.

Panthers

Patrick Surtain II

CB, Alabama

The common draft era began in 1967. The Panthers were the first team ever to spend all of their draft capital on defensive players. Seeing early returns from it with positive performances from Derrick Brown and Jeremy Chinn, the team is hoping to get more out of Yetur Gross-Matos now that he’s healthy. Still struggling against the pass, it wouldn’t be surprising to see the team continue to pour resources into that side of the ball. Surtain II has the pedigree, NFL DNA, and size to give the team a prime option as a shutdown corner on the perimeter.

11.

 

Falcons

Kwity Paye

EDGE, Michigan

Cutting their ties with Dan Quinn, interim head coach Raheem Morris’ effect on the team has been apparent. Now, whether it will be enough in order to make the team seriously consider him as a candidate for the team's head coaching vacancy is yet to be seen. The franchise is in an interesting spot as it is unlikely that they will be able to move on from Matt Ryan’s contract as he has dead cap numbers of $49.9 (2021) and $26.5 (2022) over the next two seasons. Instead, the team opts to continue to draft defense in the first-round with Paye. A physical freak, he gives the franchise much-needed help off of the edge.

12.

Lions

Jaylen Waddle

WR, Alabama

With Detroit’s defense once again struggling to gain traction, a new regime is likely headed toward the Motor City. The team will likely have to choose between one of Kenny Golladay and Marvin Jones to re-sign, so replenishing the deck of weapons for Matthew Stafford would be wise. Despite Waddle suffering a season-ending ankle injury, his presence is immediately felt when on the field. He not only brings value as a receiver, but as a return specialist as well. 

[mhd24]

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