GOATFrerotte Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 The heat is on. We'll see how he responds to some serious pressure. Baltimore is a really good team so he doesn't have to win. In fact the score really doesn't matter at all for him. Just like last week which he didn't do, if he can prove he's a reliable threat throwing downfield and outside the numbers he'll get the start next week. He can even throw some interceptions downfield, just needs to complete some of them. So we will see. Also for some reason I feel the Browns upset the Cowboys keeping the heat on WFT to win the east which I think is the key issue as to when Ron would switch it up. Can't wait for the game. Lets go football team!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 hour ago, SoCalSkins said: @Voice_of_Reason You’re wrong about Drew Brees. Brees was 6-1 in his first season as starter. He was on fire then cooled down. His second season was when he was not as good. Haskins has never shown what Brees did in those 7 games. I watched a number of those games with Brees, he was a far better player if you go back and watch the games I am sure you would agree if you are being objective. Haskins is closer to Heath Shuler than anyone else. He was bad enough that he was benched and then they drafted Rivers. Actually, they spent the #1 overall on Eli then traded him to NY and got Rivers. If they thought he was going to be special, or even serviceable, they wouldn’t have done that. He wasn’t good his first several years regardless of wins. Which is why he was benched and then replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said: He was bad enough that he was benched and then they drafted Rivers. Actually, they spent the #1 overall on Eli then traded him to NY and got Rivers. If they thought he was going to be special, or even serviceable, they wouldn’t have done that. He wasn’t good his first several years regardless of wins. Which is why he was benched and then replaced. Not true. He had a shoulder injury. That was the issue. There was a question if he would make a recovery. Brees was 12-4 and made the Pro Bowl in his last season with the Chargers as well. Your narrative is nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOATFrerotte Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Brees first year starting 17 tds/16ints, 3284 yards, 205 ypg Kyle Allens first year starting 17 tds/16ints, 3322 yards, 255 ypg Hmmmmmmmmmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said: Not true. He had a shoulder injury. That was the issue. There was a question if he would make a recovery. Brees was 12-4 and made the Pro Bowl in his last season with the Chargers as well. Your narrative is nonsense. Brees did that after rivers was drafted. They already made their decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Just now, PartyPosse said: Brees did that after rivers was drafted. They already made their decision. The decision was made because of the shoulder injury. They drafted BPA in Eli. Traded him to the Giants and got Rivers and a draft pick haul in return. You guys know zero about football if you think Haskins is anything close to what Brees was early in his career. Do yourself a favor and drop this comparison. It’s beyond silly. A clown wouldn’t even make that comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsGuy Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said: A clown wouldn’t even make that comparison. If you say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said: Not true. He had a shoulder injury. That was the issue. There was a question if he would make a recovery. Brees was 12-4 and made the Pro Bowl in his last season with the Chargers as well. Your narrative is nonsense. That's actually factually incorrect. Let's lay out the facts: 2001: Rookie season. He didn't start one game that year, Doug Flutie started all 16. 2002: Brees won the training camp competition and was named the starter in 2002. Started 6-1, ended 2-7. Finished with 3,284 passing yards, 17 touchdowns, and 16 interceptions. 2003: Started 1–7 season, Brees was replaced by Flutie, though he regained the job by Week 15. In 11 games, he finished with 2,108 passing yards, 11 touchdowns, and 15 interceptions. This is really bad. Which led to.. 2004: The Chargers drafted Rivers. There was a competition in training camp. Brees won and started his significant revival. He played extremely well in 2004. 2005: Chargers franchised Brees, and he played extremely well again. It was at the end of this season where he sustained his shoulder injury. The chargers did offer Brees a contract extention, which he turned down, and then moved on to New Orleans. But the fact is, in 2002 and 2003, he wasn't good. After his first 7 games, he went 3-14, and then was benched, and then the Chargers drafted Rivers to replace him. In those 2 incomplete seasons, he had thrown 31 INTs. It was to Brees' credit he was able to turn things around in the 2004 off-season, and start a HOF career in 2004. Going into the 2004 off-season, there was absolutely no indication Brees would be able to do what he did, or even beat out Rivers. By all accounts, he had been replaced. However, he won the competition in training camp, and the rest is history. But the beginning of his career, after sitting for an entire year, was not good. Any attempt to paint it as such is folly, and being done simply to try and twist facts to fit an argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said: The decision was made because of the shoulder injury. They drafted BPA in Eli. Traded him to the Giants and got Rivers and a draft pick haul in return. You guys know zero about football if you think Haskins is anything close to what Brees was early in his career. Do yourself a favor and drop this comparison. It’s beyond silly. A clown wouldn’t even make that comparison. You are so incredibly wrong about this it’s almost impressive. I’ll give the short short reality check since you clearly have a learning disability. Rivers got drafted in 2004 because of Brees’ poor play. Rivers only got injured in the last game of the 2005 season because Marty S held a grudge against rivers for holding out and basically made Brees play a meaningless game 17 where John Lynch ruined him. There was talk of Brees signing long term in San Diego and trading Rivers but the injury changed everything and Brees refused to long a short term incentive-laden deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said: The decision was made because of the shoulder injury. They drafted BPA in Eli. Traded him to the Giants and got Rivers and a draft pick haul in return. You guys know zero about football if you think Haskins is anything close to what Brees was early in his career. Do yourself a favor and drop this comparison. It’s beyond silly. A clown wouldn’t even make that comparison. Absolutely nobody is comparing Haskins to Brees. And you know it. Stop trying to twist posts to fit a ridiculous argument. The point I made is the only drop back quarterback who was pretty dreadful early and turned it around was Brees. And he was pretty dreadful in 2002 and 2003, and then turned it around in 2004. If you had a DeLorean time machine and went back to April of 2004 (before the Chargers drafted Rivers via trade of Eli) and said to ANYBODY, "hey, Drew Brees is going to end up setting NFL records for yards, TDs, attempts and completions," they would have committed you to an insane asylum and thrown away the key. It would have been one of the most preposterous comments ever made, because there was NOTHING in his first 2 years of starting that would indicate he was going to be anything other than a backup, and maybe even a bad backup and out of the league in 2-3 years. Stop with your ridiculous twisting of posts to fit your narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 minute ago, PartyPosse said: You are so incredibly wrong about this it’s almost impressive. I’ll give the short short reality check since you clearly have a learning disability. Rivers got drafted in 2004 because of Brees’ poor play. Rivers only got injured in the last game of the 2005 season because Marty S held a grudge against rivers for holding out and basically made Brees play a meaningless game 17 where John Lynch ruined him. There was talk of Brees signing long term in San Diego and trading Rivers but the injury changed everything and Brees refused to long a short term incentive-laden deal. He went 12-4 and made the pro bowl the year they acquired Rivers. Again, they traded for Rivers they didn’t draft him. Simple facts that even when repeated to you seem to evade your ability to process information. Prior to that he played better than Haskins EVER has in the NFL. The only person who has a learning disability or severe brain damage is the person comparing Dwayne Haskins to Drew Brees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 minute ago, SoCalSkins said: He went 12-4 and made the pro bowl the year they acquired Rivers. Again, they traded for Rivers they didn’t draft him. Simple facts that even when repeated to you seem to evade your ability to process information. Prior to that he played better than Haskins EVER has in the NFL. The only person who has a learning disability or severe brain damage is the person comparing Dwayne Haskins to Drew Brees. Wow. Simply wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said: Absolutely nobody is comparing Haskins to Brees. And you know it. Stop trying to twist posts to fit a ridiculous argument. The point I made is the only drop back quarterback who was pretty dreadful early and turned it around was Brees. And he was pretty dreadful in 2002 and 2003, and then turned it around in 2004. If you had a DeLorean time machine and went back to April of 2004 (before the Chargers drafted Rivers via trade of Eli) and said to ANYBODY, "hey, Drew Brees is going to end up setting NFL records for yards, TDs, attempts and completions," they would have committed you to an insane asylum and thrown away the key. It would have been one of the most preposterous comments ever made, because there was NOTHING in his first 2 years of starting that would indicate he was going to be anything other than a backup, and maybe even a bad backup and out of the league in 2-3 years. Stop with your ridiculous twisting of posts to fit your narrative. You are literally comparing Brees to Haskins. This is the Haskins thread. You named Drew Brees as a comparable. At least own your posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOATFrerotte Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Haskins can be an effective nickel and dimer. Not the worst thing to be, there’s just little room for mistakes like that breakdown in blocking. also go Browns!! Did you see that Landry throw. I bet Baker and Haskins wishes they can make throws like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srtman04 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 We took this guy in the 1st round....he should be playing better period. I'm tired of the excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOATFrerotte Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Another drive ends that isn’t Haskins fault. I was impressed with that pocket that time though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOATFrerotte Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Not a bad half. Simple passes as they get but qbs have made a living with those. He’s buying himself more time. Definitely will increase his passing %. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraCommander Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Not a bad half only because he didn’t turn the ball over. 3 and out to start the second half. Whoa boy watch out now! 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtfskins Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 We should have treated these 4 games like preseason and let Kyle Allen and Dwayne split the halves. Do a 2 QB situation just like every team does in the preseason then access as we go. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, wtfskins said: We should have treated these 4 games like preseason and let Kyle Allen and Dwayne split the halves. Do a 2 QB situation just like every team does in the preseason then access as we go. Just my opinion. Good news, is Preseason is over after this ballgame, so maybe next week we start playing like professionals ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 This fella's not very good. Not very good at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraCommander Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Preseason is over. Time to put Kyle Allen in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 30 minutes ago, Florgon79 said: Preseason is over. Time to put Kyle Allen in. Benching a QB who leads you to 1st place in the division, would be unprecedented ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOATFrerotte Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Eh, he wasn’t that bad this game. I mean it was an elementary offense with basic throws, but to his credit he was hitting those throws. That 4th and goal was ridiculous but he made up a little with that deep touch throw at the end. I’d give him another game after this performance. See if he improves against the Rams. Wouldn’t be surprised though if Ron goes to Allen, we are in first place in the division and Cowboys defense is awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins59 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 In hindsight, how bad was he? Cleveland scored 6 against Baltimore. Houston scored 16. Nobody's stopping KC offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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