Renegade7 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 I'm not even sure how to start this without covering whatever I should expect to get blasted for, but going to try anyway because I believe it was worth sharing. My cousin, also black, is a Trump supporter and wanted to try selling some custom made helmets outside the rally. He sold some shirts at the inauguration and tried to get in the Chicago rally that went to hell in a handbasket during 2016 campaign. We have out back and forths, middle ground understandings, but end of the day he kept telling me the rallies weren't this hotbed of racism and other labels that get thrown around them. In my head, I was curious and thinking this wasnt DC or Chicago and he planned to go by himself, but if he wasnt scared why should I? And if something went down and I wasnt there, I'd be pissed, and we agreed if someone gave me crap for my race he wouldnt go Uncle Ruckus on me, because hes not down with that. At the end of the day, I was curious if this really as bad as people said it was after he kept insisting that it wasnt, to meet the base in this environment versus just reading about it. So we get down there, and most of the people selling stuff was black. I dont know why I was shocked, but one we actually got into a conversation with had been doing it for multiple presidents following rallies, making up to a grand or $1500 sometimes. I questioned some if what he was saying but not the level of pragmatism I was witnessing with my own eyes. A level of normalization that didnt negate that bills still needed to be paid. We agreed that he wasnt as prepared as he needed to be while cops were coming to clear everyone selling stuff out, so we got in line early, say like 130 200. It was weird, I could tell people thought I was conservative, and I didnt really talk about it until I got inside, read their pamphlets, wouldnt sign anything, talked to some people who were going to their first rally as well. Absolutely I thought about clarifying nonstop, but that jus seemed unnecessary, who cares, I'm there to meet the other side and I needed to feel it out first. When the first lady I saw almost passed out and someone gave up their roller chair, I realised jus how loyal some of these folks were in person, as advertised while we were trying to keep her cool pouring water on her until the medics show up. No I wasnt going to jus stand there and watch someone die right in front of me because we arent the same party, that's just not me. Once inside, that's when we started meeting more black people and engaged with them. New York Times reporter came up on us and two other cats went on their shpele, that's when I finally stepped in because I had questions for the reporter. Liberals still do come to the rallies, but not nearly as many as in 2016 and they expect more once the campaign gets full swing in 2020. And we agreed that Washington Post opinion section has changed its reputation with the right because of their gloves approach with Trump and how he tries not to take the attacks in the media personal. That last part I didnt believe him on, he wasnt trying to hide how gay he was, theres no doubt in my mind hes gotten crap for that, but hes still there doing his job, kudos to him. Also talked to a black couple trying to explain how blacks flipped to the Dems only because a Democratic president passed the civil rights bill, even though LBJ needed republican votes to get it passed because he couldnt get enough votes from dems in congress. I'll look into that, I've heard that before, but we found a lot of common ground on issues like raising minimum wage. In some states minimum wage was right around poverty level and it didnt make sense someone working 40 hours a week barely around the poverty level, point they hadnt considered. So my strategy wasnt to discuss with people in a way that needed a bunch of articles to prove my point, it wasnt a message board it was a political rally. No one could get internet on their phone, I cant help but think that was intentional to avoid live fact checking by people at the rally. Then **** finally started to get real and reasonable didnt matter anymore. Listen to me... theres no way to beat this man at his own game. Hes mastered the art of making it seem like everyone is crying wolf and people are making t-shirts out if it like it's a big f'n joke. On top of that, they fear the dems platform so much they wont even say what it is, jus terrible stuff they will allow like drugs flooding the border, taking health care, and raising everyone's taxes. Let me be clear, there is no point in selecting a centrist democrat, he or she will get labeled a socialist and people will fall for it because they dont understand what socialism is. Trump said with a straight face that he was taking the tariff money and redistributing it to farmers, that's about as close it came to the spell being broken and people looking around like "wait what?". At the end of the day, I talked to enough people in there and saw people of different races interacting, even Native Americans, and what it comes across is this guy is attacking the Republican platform with no lines on how to go with it, and THAT'S the core of why people will shake their heads or say they dont agree with everything he does but stay that loyal to him. What was truly unnerving is that most people were jus cheering to what sounded good and booing what they felt sounded bad, it was like being at a sports game where not everyone saw what was going on or missed the replay. But once he got them rallies emup enough, he snuck in the running for the three four terms thing, got his cheers, then said he was joking. Hes testing the waters, hes dead ass serious about that. So ya. I'm glad to see a rally and not get jumped. It was like being in a room full of people you disagree with in politics, but once the yelling started, every kinda got wrapped in it. One thing I found interesting is when the squad came up, there were boos but no "send them back" chants. So I was pleasantly suprised by that, but there is so much truth to even what seems like the sweetest people getting wrapped up in mob mentality. Standing there not clapping was fine, some other people tooo that approach, but said the pledge and held hand over for anthem, Obama rally didnt have that I didnt think it was neccesary. But if theres one thing I need to really think about is the difference between racism and prejudice. People do believe what they want to believe, and what they believe is even the stuff they dont like or dont agree, hes willing to go as far as neccesary and cross lines others wont to get it done. Do people disagree with his handling of China, ya, but they also hate their stealing our intellectual property. We may think hes crazy, but they are convinced hes still technically stay in topic in his own weird ass way. I wouldnt say you need to go to a Trump rally to see this or understand it, jus saying I'm glad I did and not as bad as I thought it would be. And all those politicians he introduced were weak, I doubt they ever been in a fight in there life, let alone fight for America, super soft and sounded like they gave Trump head backstage. They dont have the guy to take this over for him...yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Thanks for sharing. Sounds like a WWE event, but in the attitude era when it was way more badass and raucous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Cept Triple H and DX didn't just turn away hurricane survivors or steal money from the military to put up a wall to keeps immigrants out.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Personally the worst thing we can do is normalize these ****s. They need to made to own this ****stain for the rest of their pitiful ****ing lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Cooked Crack said: Cept Triple H and DX didn't just turn away hurricane survivors or steal money from the military to put up a wall to keeps immigrants out.. Nah but Vince and Shane O Mac were rounding up the Rock to stir up some devious ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoneMessedUp Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Quote Let me be clear, there is no point in selecting a centrist democrat, he or she will get labeled a socialist and people will fall for it because they dont understand what socialism is. The idea isn't to pick a centrist Dem to try to get Trump voters. They are gone. They are in a cult. There is no getting them. The idea is to pick a centrist Dem to dominate the independent voters that decide elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ublestr0ker0ll Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 I feel as if though his rallies and debates are stand-up acts. Get you to laugh your ass off or cheer saying something unexpected out of nowhere. Wondering how many people you saw with a perpetual grin on their face, waiting for the one liners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Springfield said: Thanks for sharing. Sounds like a WWE event, but in the attitude era when it was way more badass and raucous. That's comment my cousin made, they weren't trying to inform us, they were trying to entertain us. His son gets this, the empty suits around him dont know how. 52 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: Personally the worst thing we can do is normalize these ****s. They need to made to own this ****stain for the rest of their pitiful ****ing lives. It's too late, this is the new normal. What the right will tolerate to get what they want, their line has been moved. One of the biggest points I took from them was there was no way to shame them out of it because they believe the ends justify the means right now. It's like many of them saw this coming and rolling with it, keep in mind the right wing media has been building to this point for a very long time, this was merely the next step. The only thing you can hope for is the next guy isnt charismatic as Trump, or worse, smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share Posted September 10, 2019 51 minutes ago, DoneMessedUp said: The idea isn't to pick a centrist Dem to try to get Trump voters. They are gone. They are in a cult. There is no getting them. The idea is to pick a centrist Dem to dominate the independent voters that decide elections. You dont get it, the right has a pitbull they love to pet buy still hope doesnt bite them. You cant put someone on the same stage as him that's trying to be soft and measures that seem reasonable, they will get labeled an extremist. This isnt about the independents, this is about the left having something to vote for because the right will get scared into believing whoever the left candidate is is a socialist. I'm not sold on this being a blowout after seeing that many people that jus wanted a show, Hiliary was supposed to slay so bad Texas might be in play, remember? Silent majority is still there, people that want someone that will cross any line for their platform, the alternative cant be a soft hand approach. Trump would eat Joe alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share Posted September 10, 2019 46 minutes ago, d0ublestr0ker0ll said: I feel as if though his rallies and debates are stand-up acts. Get you to laugh your ass off or cheer saying something unexpected out of nowhere. Wondering how many people you saw with a perpetual grin on their face, waiting for the one liners. People were looking forward to the lines they were supposed to yell at, some throwing them out to start chants like they enjoy the drug. They were high in the moment, its was getting creepy. Trump has mastered the art of turning his talking points into one liners his supports cant get enough of, like they cant wait for the next one, totally caught up in the moment. It was not like the Obama rally I went to, at a certain point in this rally it did feel like he could say anything and people would love it, he whipped them up so bad. That's why the term limit comments are so dangerous, hes getting people all hyped up then asking them the craziest **** possible to see if they are okay with it, and what do they do? Yes sir may I have another. He has to go, you might get many of them to live with something not like him, but he has to go. Hes too dangerous now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 I hope you had fun mingling with all the ignoramuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 What Renegade7 isn't telling you is that his name is really Clayton Bigsby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share Posted September 10, 2019 Just now, China said: What Renegade7 isn't telling you is that his name is really Clayton Bigsby. Ouch, was that bullet meant for me 5 minutes ago, Dan T. said: I hope you had fun mingling with all the ignoramuses. I can think of better things to do with my time, more like box I wasnt expecting to check checked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 8 hours ago, DoneMessedUp said: The idea isn't to pick a centrist Dem to try to get Trump voters. They are gone. They are in a cult. There is no getting them. The idea is to pick a centrist Dem to dominate the independent voters that decide elections. But the thing is, ANY dem candidate is automatically a socialist. Look at Obama, pretty by the book centrist. Total socialist according to the right. So it doesn’t matter if we get Biden or Bernie. They’re both the same candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanboyOf91 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 7 hours ago, Renegade7 said: That's comment my cousin made, they weren't trying to inform us, they were trying to entertain us. His son gets this, the empty suits around him dont know how. It's too late, this is the new normal. What the right will tolerate to get what they want, their line has been moved. One of the biggest points I took from them was there was no way to shame them out of it because they believe the ends justify the means right now. It's like many of them saw this coming and rolling with it, keep in mind the right wing media has been building to this point for a very long time, this was merely the next step. The only thing you can hope for is the next guy isnt charismatic as Trump, or worse, smart. It's going to be Don Jr. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/10/trump-dynasty/596674/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Any idea how many people there were from nearby or who go to rallies around the country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 I want to the July fourth rally and had a similar experience.... not nearly as racist or mean as the media makes a Trump rallies out to be... he didn’t mention the 3-4 term thing at that rally though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 R7, I gotta give you credit, going and seeing for yourself to form your own opinion? Wow, I thought that was dead as disco. IMO there is no downside to it, I read A LOT across the spectrum, some of it for humor, some of it in a "know thy enemy" way, and some just to take the temp of the crazy demographics and I am not "afraid" of Breitbart changing me, somehow infecting me with the zombie virus.....ooOOooOoo, scary! I genuinely recommend it everyone, listen for a change, STFU and just listen, not just to those in your bubble echoing your thoughts and willing to tell you those pants don't make your ass look fat, but listening to those you disagree with the most. It can be enlightening. I tell my son one valid way to tell smart from stupid, smart people will pose questions, stupid people stake their claim on already knowing the answers. Well done, thanks for sharing👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 minute ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: I want to the July fourth rally and had a similar experience.... not nearly as racist or mean as the media makes a Trump rallies out to be... he didn’t mention the 3-4 term thing at that rally though. That wasn’t supposed to be a political rally.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Thanks for sharing. I don't think I could do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 hour ago, FanboyOf91 said: It's going to be Don Jr. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/10/trump-dynasty/596674/ I can totally see him trying after what I saw yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 hour ago, visionary said: Any idea how many people there were from nearby or who go to rallies around the country? Everyone I talked to was from that county or at least North Carolina. He was also pumping hard for their special election that's going on today, if there were people that traveled with him they were likely at the front, Trump pointed out some he recognized that said they only missed two of his rallies. Didnt talk to everyone, but also want to note most of the people talked to it was their first rally. Remember talking to white lady who apologized for elbowing me saying she had claustrophobia. First time as well from the area, seemed really nice, but admitted she didnt now many of the names of state elected officials Trump was rattling off. I think that was the point of the rally, to help aim his base at some house seats (this was scheduled before Dorain hit). Some people were wondering what was so important about those house seats, one of them was the one with all that fraud and illegally picking up those absentee ballots, which if course didnt come up at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 hour ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: I want to the July fourth rally and had a similar experience.... not nearly as racist or mean as the media makes a Trump rallies out to be... he didn’t mention the 3-4 term thing at that rally though. I like that it wasnt as racist as the MSM said it would be and thats enough for you lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry.Randolphe Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 hour ago, visionary said: That wasn’t supposed to be a political rally.... I nearly spit out my water reading that 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 18 minutes ago, Barry.Randolphe said: I nearly spit out my water reading that 🤣 I hear ya...I almost had a "coffee up the nose" fiasco. 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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