volsmet Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 6 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said: I did. Q. Davis. I like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Higgins a ****in beast. That battle with Okudah was draftnik porn for a half of football. We were robbed of the ability to climax by that damn injury. In retrospect, I really wish Ohio State had won that game. I wanted to see Okudah line up over JaMar Chase. Watching Higgins big boy Kristian Fulton was pretty good though. Can't take a post out of context if the homoeroticism is overt. 👨🏫 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 8 hours ago, RWJ said: Actually, it was WR Devin DuVernay. OK, I did one on Quartney Davis but not Duvernay, I just posted something on Duvernay that I read way back. So I'll get to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 OK just did a quick Collin Johnson and Duvernay look. I definitely like Duvernay over C. Johnson -- Duvernay had a really good game against LSU. Duvernay is a slot guy. I favor YAC guys, and he's certainly that. I talked about Shenault yesterday. Duvernay seems like a shorter version of him athletically. Like Shenault, he looks muscular and fast. Collin Johnson in short isn't physical enough IMO to the extent that you can ignore his lack of speed-quickness. Collin Johnson to me is in the flavor of Michael Pittman, Tyler Johnson. But I like the other 2 better better. I also like Hodgins better than Collin Johnson. Granted I am taking a leap guessing players' speed pre combine but my guess is Collin is like a 4.65, maybe even 4.7 guy. And while he can be physical at times, he's not physical enough for me to think that he can offset his speed like a Jarvis Landry type of player. College receivers don't seem to get pressed much so its a small sample typically but Collin was successfully pressed at times. For a big dude, he's inconsistent with contested catches where he can show off some physicality. He's a decent run blocker though, he plays with energy too on that front will keep at it to help a RB finish their runs. Not much of a YAC guy. He played mostly X. Duvernay to me is a fun watch, a feisty YAC guy with the ball in his hands. He's good at separating quickly. Quick ins, Quick outs and more. Where does he go in the draft? I think the combine might influence it with him more than most. If he has some sick 40 time, I think it can elevate him maybe to the 3rd, late 2nd? Otherwise, 4th round type, maybe slips as far as the 6th. In the typical draft he'd go higher but IMO its nuts how many good receivers are in this draft. As for Collin Johnson, I think the combine influences his standing, too. If he surprises and runs a 4.6 or less maybe he's propped into the 4th round range. But if he runs a high 4.6 or 4.7, I'd guess 6th-7th round. First 3 clips in Collin Johnson. The next 4 is Duvernay. cjohnson.mp4 cjohnson2.mp4 cjohnson3.mp4 duvernay.mp4 duvernay2.mp4 duvernay3.mp4 duvernay4.mp4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 To up date my receiver take, I forgot some dudes I looked at in my previous post on this and have since added some. I still need to look at a bunch more that I don't include here. My first tier would be: 1. Ceedee Lamb 2. Jerry Jeudy 3. Henry Ruggs 4. Tee Higgins Me liking more than the typical mock draft guy: Mims (love the attitude he plays with, run blocking) B. Edwards (my fav darkhorse pick right now) V. Jefferson (really smooth separator, soft hands) D. Duvernay (feisty, YAC guy) Tyler Johnson (smooth, really soft hands, decent separator) L. Bowden (can do it all, I am surprised he's getting so little buzz considering the new fascination with swiss army types) Ruggs (he seems either underrated or overrated depending on who is talking about him -- i am in the underrated camp) Lamb (I am in the camp that he's the #1 receiver in the draft, some agree with that, some don't) Higgins (its almost cool to say he's overrated by some of the draftnik types but I disagree, seems like his 40 time will be important to some) Me liking less than the typical draft guy Hamler (he's good but IMO overhyped) J. Proche (I know he had a good senior bowl, but am not blown away at least the games I watched) People-Jones (granted his QB was horrible, I semi liked what i saw but wasn't blown away) Senault (he's good, certainly an athletic freak, but I don't see why he is elevated into top tier status) C. Johnson (draft geeks don't seem to love him but some do. I am not taken by him, he's OK, depends on what he runs) Me liking about the same degree as the typical draft guy Pittman (he seems like a chic pick with the draft geeks, I am ok with him being that, don't love him but like him) Hodgins (I like him a little more than the typical draft guy, he's almost in the me liking more category) KJ Hill (really good hands, seems though mostly an underneath guy) Q. Davis (I recall liking him but its been awhile I have to rewatch) Jeudy (draft geek types love him, so do I) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Skinsinparadise Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 14 hours ago, KDawg said: Can someone explain wtf “dominator” rankings are? Used mostly for WRs and TEs. It's mostly about what % of the production did the player consume from the team's overall production. So for example lets take Beckham back when he was with the Giants where he was a one man machine and consumed a lot of that team's production, then he'd be ranked highly on that scale. It also factors in breakout age. The premise is the receivers that have been productive longer in college have a better chance of success than one year wonders who broke out late. The outfit that does the rankings of this also will rate the athleticism of said player. So the composite idea is if the dude has been productive for quite some time. Is a good athlete and takes the lions share of his team's offensive production = likely good NFL player. I like looking at those scores, it's entertaining. I probably put up more PFF stats and Warren Sharp numbers than anyone on the board. Numbers are interesting to me. Yet, IMO I think some get too carried away with it. There were WRs I liked in the previous draft and I posted my reasons for it, and they didn't per se kill it on the dominator scale including ironically McLaurin and Harmon but not just them. And I recall one specific poster even say he disagrees with me on almost every of my WR likes citing their dominator scores. Right now, I am not looking too bad on some of those WRs I touted who didn't kill it on the dominator scores. Like I told that poster back then, I love looking at stats including dominator scores but they aren't the be all and end all. You got to factor context. Some players are late bloomers and there are genuine reasons for it. Some teams have multiple weapons and the love is spread around where its tough to dominate. I think we should trust our eyes over any score. But the scores are an interesting component but in my view its interesting only as verification or backing up a legitimate question you have about the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 @Skinsinparadise Agreed. Fun to look at. Not a great assessment tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinzplay Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 14 hours ago, KDawg said: Can someone explain wtf “dominator” rankings are? It's a head-scratcher to me too. Like SIP said, numbers/stats can be useful, but some people get carried away with it. I expect the Browns to soon hire an Exec VP for Dominator Assessment. On another note, I've been back home for a few weeks for a visit, and met up with some family members who have seen and worked quite a few SEC games over the last several years. Interestingly, there was a good conversation going between two of them, who both thought that Burrow was nothing more than Aaron Murray with a quiver full of insane weapons. Don't shoot me for sharing it; that's all I'm doing is sharing it. Not saying it's my opinion. I don't get to watch much college football these days. We shall soon find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volsmet Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Damn this thread is good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 To me the most controversial players in the class are Raegor and Bowden. They're going to be in a class of their own for the love/hate they generate. IMO the next group is Shenault, Cephus, Delpit, Coe, Lewis, and Becton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Going Commando Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Holy crap. Never expected that in a million years. Trying to get Chase Young? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPinstripe Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Holy crap. Never expected that in a million years. Trying to get Chase Young? So why would we take on that large contract for an older player when we thing Young can be in that tier? AND the bears have no first round pick this year. Not saying you want this, just commenting on the speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anselmheifer Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Holy crap. Never expected that in a million years. Trying to get Chase Young? I doubt it. It has to be for Tua, right? I’m sure they are regretting giving up two first and a 100 million dollar contract without having a QB in place and now realize they don’t have the assets to get one. The Redskins should laugh this off. I’d rather have Chase Young on a rookie contract than Khalil Mack on his contract. And it’s not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, Anselmheifer said: The Redskins should laugh this off. I’d rather have Chase Young on a rookie contract than Khalil Mack on his contract. And it’s not even close. Agreed. I'd rather have a stockpile of draft picks than a veteran player if we have to trade away #2 and lose out on Chase Young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COWBOY-KILLA- Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 i think Dan Sileo, a Real Deal Scumbag just look it up, has realized that anything he says about Skins will bring action. Hence back to back rumors involving us. Don’t give him clicks. Everyone and their mama will be talking to the Skins in the next 2 months. Grains of Salt people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Don’t want Mack’s contract. Love Mack the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anselmheifer Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 40 minutes ago, KDawg said: Don’t want Mack’s contract. Love Mack the player. I might take 23 year old Mack and that contract. Not 28 year old Mack. One hundred million dollars and two 1st round picks and 8.5 sacks and no playoffs this year? Mack is very good as a pass rusher and against the run. I don’t think he’s in Von Miller’s league as a pass rusher. Or even prime Demarcus Ware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Anselmheifer said: I might take 23 year old Mack and that contract. Not 28 year old Mack. One hundred million dollars and two 1st round picks and 8.5 sacks and no playoffs this year? Mack is very good as a pass rusher and against the run. I don’t think he’s in Von Miller’s league as a pass rusher. Or even prime Demarcus Ware. I think he's better than both of them. But not worth the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anselmheifer Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, KDawg said: I think he's better than both of them. But not worth the contract. Vin Miller has been significantly more productive in terms of sacks and also was the best player on a super bowl team and dragged an ancient and very limited Peyton Manning to a championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Just now, Anselmheifer said: Vin Miller has been significantly more productive in terms of sacks and also was the best player on a super bowl team and dragged an ancient and very limited Peyton Manning to a championship. Agree to disagree on Miller vs. Mack. But that has little to do with the overall gist of the convo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Yeah, I don’t know what it would take for me to accept Mack and his contract over Young... Of course I assume Bears would eat some of the bonus money? Bears could really use cap relief, so maybe there are some interesting options there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anselmheifer Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, KDawg said: Agree to disagree on Miller vs. Mack. But that has little to do with the overall gist of the convo. You may be right. A lot of smarter football people than I am hold Mack in higher esteem than I do. And I never watch the Raiders or Bears. Just their highlights maybe. Cheers. In any case, if we are talking draft, I’d rather have Simmons and two other 1sts than Mack and that doesn’t even factor in the cap hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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