How's the Redskins Roster shaping up?

[RandyHolt]

3 hours ago, cober said:

Yes crazy to think willing to keep Perine as number 4 back when cant play special teams. That is just waste of a roster spot.  He has looked terrible in 2nd preseason and ok in 3rd.

 

Our 4th Running back needs to be able play 3rd down and play special teams ideally.

 

I think we will keep 3 RBs but are 4th RB usually teamers?  I think Sammy is ahead of Marshall, somehow. Perine was obviously pretty raw coming out (rare for a RB) but clearly has some talent to stick for 2+ years.  Maybe he just didn't develop in college running through ungodly sized holes. No fault of his own.  He has decent hands for a big boy and Jay will be quick to say that - not just me. 

 

Having to carry an extra DL to start the year, or 3 QBs, may be the ax for a 4th RB.

 

Its time to do the annual anatomy of a 53 man roster.

 

Green Bay vs Houston 2016

QB-3 (Houston: same)

RB-4 (Houston: 4 RB and 1 FB)

WR-7 (Houston: 5)

TE-3 (Houston: same)

OL-8 (Houston: 9)

DL-5 (Houston: 6)

LB-9 (Houston: same)

CB-6 (Houston: 5)

S-6 (Houston: 5)

K-1 (Houston: same)

P-1 (Houston: same, plus 1 long snapper)

[dyst]

OMG Periene why!

[Jericho]

3 hours ago, cober said:

Yes crazy to think willing to keep Perine as number 4 back when cant play special teams. That is just waste of a roster spot.  He has looked terrible in 2nd preseason and ok in 3rd.

 

Our 4th Running back needs to be able play 3rd down and play special teams ideally.

 

The 4th RB is usually inactive, so it's less of a concern. As much as people hate on Perine, the alternatives aren't great either. Marshall seems to be a combination of ineffective and constantly injured. Wilson might have had a shot here, but then got hurt. I think that took him out of the running. Reynolds has flashed in pre-season against 4th stringers, but seems like the classic overrated by the fans type player. He's likely very raw in other aspects of the game (like pass protection), so he seems like a decent practice squad candidate.

 

I think Guice is the main 3rd down back-up to Thompson

[Jericho]

The Cliff's notes version of where this team stands:

QB (2-3 spots): Keenum and Haskins are in. McCoy won't be cut (can't cut injured players anyway), but I'm not really clear how injured he is. Seemed to go from day-to-day to week-to-week to whatever it is now. So he could be an IR candidate (he'd need to make the 53 first if the team wanted to consider bringing him back this season).

RB (3-4 spots): Peterson, Guice, and Thompson are in. The team could stop there or search the wire for a #4. But among the in-house candidates, Perine seems to be in the lead. Not exactly clear on Wilson's health status, so IR or PS seems possibilities. Reynolds seems like a good PS candidate

WR (6-7 spots): Richardson, McLaurin, and Quinn seem in. Sims and Harmon seem very likely. I highly doubt Doctson gets cut. He could be traded, but you don't cut players like him as he'd easily be claimed on waivers. Davis seems like the strongest bet for #7. I don't think anyone else is really that close, those Steve Sims Jr. is a strong PS candidate.

TE (3-4 spots): It's basically Reed, Davis, and Sprinkle. If Reed isn't healthy enough, the team might carry a 4th. But I suspect it would be someone outside the current roster. Holtz is probably the 4th TE based on players actually here

OL (8-10 spots): Penn, Martin, Rouillier, Scherff, and Moses all seem like locks and are likely your starters except Martin. I wouldn't consider Flowers an absolute lock, but he's probably close. Christian, Bergstrom, and Pierschbacher round out the nine. Not sure anyone else is even in the running here. Maybe Timon Parris? I'd love for the team to find a replacement for Bergstrom, but I don't see who unless its coming from another team.

 

DL (5-6 spots): Allen, Payne, Ioannidis, Settle, and Brantley all seem in. If Brantley  isn't healthy, maybe a JoJo Wicker sneaks on

ILB (4-5 spots): Hamilton, Holcomb, Harvey-Clemons, and Bostic all seem in. There's not a strong 5th candidate here, maybe Flowers or Blunt. Or someone outside the organization

OLB (4-5 spots): Kerrigan, Anderson, Sweat, and McKinzy are in. Brailsford seems like an IR candidate. I don't think there's anyone else in the discussion.

CB (6-7 spots): Norman, Dunbar, Moreau, Moreland, Stroman, and even DRC seem in. Danny Johnson remains on PUP. I have no idea where Adonis Alexander even is these days, but I suppose he could still crack the roster. I thought he was still hurt, but I'm not sure.

S (4-5 spots): Collins and Nicholson are in. Apke seems likely, though I'm still not sure he's anywhere close to being worth playing. Everett still likely hangs around. Maybe Reaves can sneak on as a 5th.

 

Specialists (3): Haskins, Way, and Sundberg are in

[RandyHolt]

59 minutes ago, dyst said:

OMG Periene why!

 

LOL.  Call it Ryan Grant Syndrome.

 

Coaches trust. Blocking. Knowledge of the playbook. No ego to manage.  Reynolds probably whiffs on 3 of those 4.  Marshall I would have thought was ahead of Perine but then why isn't Jay pumping Marshall's tires, when we could want to trade him as well, and our run game probably wouldn't miss a beat.  Perine may have Marshall beat in the durability department. 

 

Backs get injured often and a team needs a 4th at the ready. At least Perine has a 100 yard game on his resume. Albeit with a 3 yard average. 

[dyst]

9 minutes ago, RandyHolt said:

 

LOL.  Call it Ryan Grant Syndrome.

 

Coaches trust. Blocking. Knowledge of the playbook. No ego to manage.  Reynolds probably whiffs on 3 of those 4.  Marshall I would have thought was ahead of Perine but then why isn't Jay pumping Marshall's tires, when we could want to trade him as well, and our run game probably wouldn't miss a beat.  Perine may have Marshall beat in the durability department. 

 

Backs get injured often and a team needs a 4th at the ready. At least Perine has a 100 yard game on his resume. Albeit with a 3 yard average. 

Man, I just don’t get it. Jay trusts him to do what? Not get yards? Run into the blockers? Not do much on special teams? Just frustrating.

[RandyHolt]

6 minutes ago, dyst said:

Man, I just don’t get it. Jay trusts him to do what? Not get yards? Run into the blockers? Not do much on special teams? Just frustrating.

 

LOL I see those same lower the head runs for 1 yard.  But he actually made some cuts behind the LOS last game, and looked like a different back. 
 

I theorize that Jay has been dictating his run style. Making him run like a fullback.  From his first snaps vs KC he just lowered the head and ran to where the hole is supposed to be.  Don't think don't improvise just do as asked, please.  I have never seen a succession of such quick run plays that I did that night. Perine is an interesting body - big but not physical.  So you'd think he would be from the break tackle mold, only it seems his strength is upper body.  Pound for pound he may be the strongest guy out there. Maybe he has TRex arms and doesn't stiff arm. I dunno but he has decent hands and Jay just does not seem ready to give up on him just yet.

 

Don't you fret he may well still get cut.  Hang in there.

[CTskin]

Perine = Rob Kelley. I understand that Guice and CT are injury concerns, so we should keep Marshall if we're keeping 4.

WRs are going to be a tough cut. Being that we likely aren't SB contenders this year, I would try to build for the future and hope that one (or more) of Sims, Harmon, Kidsy, Davis shows something this year. 

OL- jesus idk what to do here, complete mess. I'm almost tempted to say let's just keep 8 because I really don't see any dropoff from our backups to the avg unsigned journeyman. Obviously it's better if the guys know the system, but I'd rather keep a spot open for WR.

McKinzy should be a lock. 

DT/DEs- our backups got run over by every team, so it was hard to say that any are worth keeping. Keep Allen, Payne, Ion, Settle, Brantley.

CBs seems pretty cut and dry. I would like to give the nod to Adonis, but I literally haven't seen him. They hype train has left the building for me, so idc there.

 

Aside from WR, cuts are a lot less interesting this year than in years past, which is a good thing? I'm more interested to see who we can snipe from other teams' cuts, OL ideally.

[Bonez3]

I haven't been able to watch preseason but Kidsy's name pops up every week and is there any talk of him catching on?

[RandyHolt]

I think McClaurin and Rich being able to work the slot (as game day backups) makes Kidsy destined for the PS, unless injury strikes Quinn.   Kidsy is the long term injury backup.... although I think there is also a razor thin difference between Sims and Kidsy, and wonder if Sims doing some return work gives him an edge.

 

I feel like every year, on cut day, we snatch a guy no one wanted, no one heard of, and no one predicted, that we go and get.  Winner winner popeyes chicken sandwich dinner to whoever can make that call this season.  I will say an ILB / teams standout.

[Jericho]

21 minutes ago, Bonez3 said:

I haven't been able to watch preseason but Kidsy's name pops up every week and is there any talk of him catching on?

 

Doubtful. He's probably no higher than 9th on the WR depth chart. Maybe even 10th if you count Chesson (nominally a WR, but really just around for special teams)

 

I also forgot to mention Trent Williams in my post earlier today. He's not on the active roster, but I think anything is in play for him from a trade to reporting to continuing to holdout. He obviously makes the 53 if he reports and isn't traded.

[dyst]

2 hours ago, CTskin said:

Perine = Rob Kelley.

Rob Kelly over achievied. I feel like Perine is Matt Jones. Should be knocking guys around but for some reason doesn’t.

[Spaceman Spiff]

3 minutes ago, dyst said:

Rob Kelly over achievied. I feel like Perine is Matt Jones. Should be knocking guys around but for some reason doesn’t.

 

Matt Jones should have been trucking people left and right.  

 

Perine isn't as big from a height perspective (I don't think) but I don't think he shies away from contact as much as Matt Jones did.  Then again, I don't think he's breaking tackles, running violently and creating yardage where there isn't.  Perine is a solid 3rd or 4th guy but he doesn't really do anything very well.  

[TradeTheBeal!]

Matt Jones was Skip Hicks.  Crazy talent but pudgy, soft and a fumbler.

 

Cant win with him.

[BayouBrave86]

Does McLaurin even go here? If there is anyway to be a preseason bust, he’s certainly been it. He’s the new Taylor Jacobs as far as I’m concerned. Even Malcolm Kelly saw more action in preseason. 

 

I hope he is our our first true #1 in what seems like forever. I don’t think we’ve ever had a superstar at WR as long as I’ve followed the team. Desean is probably the closest thing with tiny Moss and Michael Westbrook right behind. Absolutely insane how bad we have been at drafting WRs.

[kingdaddy]

The Packers are said to be shopping last years starting LG Lane Taylor before possibly releasing him. Would they deal him straight up for Doc? We should pounce on this guy.

Apparently they don't want to pay him starter money to be a backup but he has to be better than Flowers.

[HigSkin]

On 8/28/2019 at 7:59 AM, Jericho said:

The Cliff's notes version of where this team stands:

RB (3-4 spots): Peterson, Guice, and Thompson are in. The team could stop there or search the wire for a #4. But among the in-house candidates, Perine seems to be in the lead. Not exactly clear on Wilson's health status, so IR or PS seems possibilities. Reynolds seems like a good PS candidate

 

Agree, but I believe they carry a #4 (Perine) until or IF Bryce Love comes off PUP this year.  🙂

[Koolblue13]

On 8/28/2019 at 1:35 PM, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

Matt Jones should have been trucking people left and right.  

 

Perine isn't as big from a height perspective (I don't think) but I don't think he shies away from contact as much as Matt Jones did.  Then again, I don't think he's breaking tackles, running violently and creating yardage where there isn't.  Perine is a solid 3rd or 4th guy but he doesn't really do anything very well.  

Matt Jones might be my all time disappointment player. Shoulda been trucking people like Okoya. Catching like Marshall. Man had every skill but all the intangibles. 

Plus I still think Scot GM wanted  the back that went to Arizona (I forget his name), but outsmarted himself waiting and had to draft him.

*David Johnson

[alwaysaskin]

8 hours ago, kingdaddy said:

The Packers are said to be shopping last years starting LG Lane Taylor before possibly releasing him. Would they deal him straight up for Doc? We should pounce on this guy.

Apparently they don't want to pay him starter money to be a backup but he has to be better than Flowers.

I would say go for it, a bale of hay, or a ham sandwich would be better than Trainereck Flowers

[HigSkin]

 

[Malapropismic Depository]

29 minutes ago, HigSkin said:

 

 

I havn't heard anything about Brailford at all, since he was put on PUP.

But I think I recall him coming off of PUP. Has he even played in preseason ?

If it's between McKinzy and Brailford, I think I'd rather keep McKinzy on the 53, and Brailford on PS.

[mhd24]

Here's my 53:

 

Special teams (3):

1)  Way (P)

2)  Hopkins (K)

3)  Sundberg (LS)

 

Offense (25):

QBs (3):

4)  Keenam

5)  Haskins

6)  Colt

RBs(4)

7)  AP

8  Guice

9)  Thompson

10)  Marshall (plays teams)

O-line(9):

11)  Penn

12)  Flowers

13)  Rouiller

14)  Scherff

15)  Moses

16)  Christian

17)  Martin

18)  Bergstrom

19)  Piersbacher

TE(3):

20)  Reed

21)  Davis

22)  Sprinkle

WR(6)

23)  Doctson

24)  Richardson

25)  Quinn

26)  McLaurin

27)  Harmon

28)  Steven Simms

 

Defense:

DL(5)

29)  Allen

30)  Payne

31)  Ion Man

32)  Settle

33)  Brantley

 

LB(9)

34)  Kerrigan

35)  Sweat

36)  Anderson

37)  McKinsey

38)  Bostic

39)  Holcombe

40)  SDH

41)  JHC

42)  Flowers

 

CB (6)

43)  Norman

44)  Dunbar

45)  Moreau

46)  Moreland

47)  Stromand

48)  Alexander

 

S(5)  

49)  Collins

50)  Nicholson

51)  Everett

52)  Apke

53)  Reaves

 

Could lose a safety or CB in favor of an extra TE or WR.

 

[HigSkin]

8 hours ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

 

I havn't heard anything about Brailford at all, since he was put on PUP.

But I think I recall him coming off of PUP. Has he even played in preseason ?

If it's between McKinzy and Brailford, I think I'd rather keep McKinzy on the 53, and Brailford on PS.

 

There's been no news on Brialford since he came off PUP early August and 2 days later planted wrong in practice.  Agree, think McKinzy makes it but Brialford might get buried on IR. 

[JaxJoe]

9 hours ago, mhd24 said:

WR(6)

23)  Doctson

24)  Richardson

25)  Quinn

26)  McLaurin

27)  Harmon

28)  Steven Simms

A lot of folks believe S. Simms has earned a roster spot due to his punt returns and quickness as a receiver. I guess Davis is the odd man out but last week he was the gunner on punt defense and played well and his deep route is obviously good. It’s going to be a tough decision especially when Gruden said it’s unlikely he’ll keep 7 wide receivers. Another disadvantage is an injured Colt McCoy likely makes the team as the 3rd QB which takes up a roster spot. And, a concussed Jordan Reed might cause us to carry a fourth TE. 

 

A reminder that tomorrow the 31st at 4 pm is the deadline for 53 players. 

 

I havent heard of any cuts yet. 

[oraphus]

Cravens just got cut by the Boroncos.... what a waste of space, hind sight getting a 5th rd pick for him was a steal