volsmet Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Just now, fordranger76 said: Already tired of the term box safety. Sigh. Pass on Derwin, let DJ walk, overpay an overrated player. Washington Redskins 101. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, hatchetwound said: If the cap is meaningless if owners who do that, why have a cap. I mean, isnt the NFL rigged so you can be drunk 365 days a year and still make a ton o f money? So why not get everyone and build an all star team Not entirely sure I understand the question. Any team could always do this. Again, not every year, but they can target years to do it and it's perfectly valid for them to do it. We have pointedly, to the point of frustration really, NOT done it, as we have crested the wave of desiring compensatory picks. But that was our strat. Any owner can convert base cap dollars to guarantee bonus dollars if they wish. But it's a hedge against the team's ability both to generate revenue to repay that, essentially loan, and for you to be willing to pay the consequence of mistakes. Snyder has always been willing to do that, and was often mocked for it, but we haven't done it in so long I wasn't sure he still was on board for it. I would rather see Snyder do something about fan optimism and fan experience at games, but that's not who he is. I was not sure with the decline in fan interest that he would be willing to cash his own check against the return on that investment, but he apparently still is. That's a good thing, though I'm not as confident in doing this with Manusky and Gruden as I might be with someone else running the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshSkinsFan Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Bucs are tight right now but it's rare for them and most of that is contracts with no guaranteed money remaining, for example DJax is on his way and he is $10 million with no dead money hit if he is cut or traded and there are half a dozen similar deals on the books. The local media there figure they could easily free up $50m or so just be cutting a handful of overpaid veterans with no dead money on the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volsmet Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Just now, SkinsFootball said: In our division. I'm not. Guy gets it. He knows the Rams beat up Elliot & the boys with a box safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Hoover-ball said: Definitely going to the Giants game this year! This is EXACTLY why Dan did this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Would have rather they used the coin to sign OLB Za'Darius Smith but we've certainly made worse decisions than this. Collins is without a doubt an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 I just...man...goddamit. Yes, it's exciting to get shiny new toys. No, it doesn't fix the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFi Skins Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Come on, man. Give it a chance... No need for the negativity. We all know we've been ass for a while but this is a decent move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchetwound Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Just now, Art said: Not entirely sure I understand the question. Any team could always do this. Again, not every year, but they can target years to do it and it's perfectly valid for them to do it. We have pointedly, to the point of frustration really, NOT done it, as we have crested the wave of desiring compensatory picks. But that was our strat. Any owner can convert base cap dollars to guarantee bonus dollars if they wish. But it's a hedge against the team's ability both to generate revenue to repay that, essentially loan, and for you to be willing to pay the consequence of mistakes. Snyder has always been willing to do that, and was often mocked for it, but we haven't done it in so long I wasn't sure he still was on board for it. I would rather see Snyder do something about fan optimism and fan experience at games, but that's not who he is. I was not sure with the decline in fan interest that he would be willing to cash his own check against the return on that investment, but he apparently still is. That's a good thing, though I'm not as confident in doing this with Manusky and Gruden as I might be with someone else running the show. I'm really sorry, I'll try to reprhase it. If teams can use cash to avoid the cap, why don't more teams do it? I was also curious, what teams don't do it. I think you said the Bucs, who are terrible, so this makes sense. So do teams like the Patriots and Steelers do this alot because they seem to always be in contention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit33 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Collins does provide some versatility of playing money backer on 3rd down. Look forward to getting a feel for his leadership and intangibles most in media appear high on. Really does go a long way in a locks room. Hopefully this will further embolden the Allens and Payne’s to take over lockeroom. Can really see the defense taking over as the stars of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 So, we literally just spent 14 million MORE per year to be just as good as we were last year. Great move. Because Swearinger was every bit as good as Collins for a fraction of the cost. Smells of a deal to put butts in the seats, pay a massive amount for a guy who's good, and swears by Sean Taylor. Makes Collins the highest paid safety in NFL history. All in a year where everyone was SHOCKED how many good safeties were on the market. We could have had a good player at any price we wanted to name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumplestilskin Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, volsmet said: Pass on Derwin, let DJ walk, overpay an overrated player. Washington Redskins 101. Or....we got a much needed stud at nose tackle, got rid of a malcontent cancer who undermined coaching and signed a star player who makes impact game changing plays at safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veteranskinsfan Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Skins are back to their old ways of paying too much money- What other team in NFL would have given Collins that kind of money? I know we needed to fill that hole but we have so many other holes to fill and very little cap space. So they figured how to make it a small amount for this year but what about future years of cap space? He better make the Pro Bowl and have a lot of interceptions- which he will not have as he will be a run defender often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oraphus Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 14mil per year for a box safety that cant cover.... umm.. skins Fo idiots strike again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 minute ago, SemperFi Skins said: Come on, man. Give it a chance... No need for the negativity. We all know we've been ass for a while but this is a decent move No offense intended, my friend, but how many times have we said this? It's different because of age, money, x, y, z. It's still Snyder. It's still Allen. Until that changes, I will be cynical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshSkinsFan Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Look at it this way, the AB deal means Jerry is going to have to spend big to keep Amari Cooper and now us signing Collins for that figure means Dallas either has to break the bank for Earl Thomas or let him go sign for the Texans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFi Skins Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 In a division with Elliott and Barkley and possibly Bell in Philly, Landon Collins is going to be dynamic for this defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskeypeet Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 40 minutes ago, Alexa said: Why would you give 14mill per year to Collins? I mean that is stupid as stupid gets. Always chasing other teams trash. Redskins overpaid for his skill set. Its rather extreme to refer to him as trash though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Wolffe Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 minute ago, volsmet said: Pass on Derwin, let DJ walk, overpay an overrated player. Washington Redskins 101. Payne vs getting no d line help last year. Collins is > DJ. I would rather have the combo of Payne and Collins (who is 25). We gotta hit on this draft though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFi Skins Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Just now, Riggo#44 said: No offense intended, my friend, but how many times have we said this? It's different because of age, money, x, y, z. It's still Snyder. It's still Allen. Until that changes, I will be cynical. Oh, I certainly agree, I meant solely for this move to get Landon Collins. It's certainly an upgrade for the defense. Doesn't mean we are Super Bowl Champs yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit33 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 minute ago, oraphus said: 14mil per year for a box safety that cant cover.... umm.. skins Fo idiots strike again! Can you share more on this? I’ve heard some of this, but waiting for someone to break down and support this view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max21 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 So is this really a record deal for a safety? Didn’t we break the cornerback record deal with Norman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Blaster Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 31 minutes ago, volsmet said: I have more than one family member who has, or is currently, running the cap for NFL football teams. Little did I know, their jobs were meaningless. The cap is largely meaningless. The things I pick up here rarely cease to amaze. Who said his job is meaningless? Like a good CPA, you want your cap strategist to manipulate the numbers. Cash is the #1 way to do it. If he actually is doing what you claim and is working for a cash-strapped team, his job is a lot tougher. NFL Network had people on talking about the Cowboy’s cap situation. They said it doesn’t matter with the cash Jerry has. You know more than them too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 minute ago, hatchetwound said: I'm really sorry, I'll try to reprhase it. If teams can use cash to avoid the cap, why don't more teams do it? I was also curious, what teams don't do it. I think you said the Bucs, who are terrible, so this makes sense. So do teams like the Patriots and Steelers do this alot because they seem to always be in contention. Because while all teams are profitable in the NFL, most owners aren't so wealthy that they can take money out of their accounts to pay immediate large sums of money, far surpassing the cap in immediate terms, for a payoff that may not ever come or may not come for years. The Glazers are less liquid than Snyder. Green Bay is less liquid. Pittsburgh. ETC. You don't see all teams do it because all teams can't. Some can. The Rams couldn't in St. Louis, but could in LA because of market and prospective growth. It isn't necessarily good or bad to do it. It CAN be good. It can be dumb. We never really were punished by it when we did it a lot more often as we didn't really ever have a HUGE, massive, total bust, perhaps other than Sanders and Haynesworth. You really need to get crushed on those sorts of deals for it to hurt you for any length of time. Expect us to add two more big names quickly. We're still Hotel California for players we target :). I'm stunned we'd do this for Gruden and Manusky, but it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan834 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 In addition to his skill set on the field, every thing I've read about him off the field has been nothing but glowing. I love adding him to the strong foundation of culture we are starting to build on Defense with him, Allen, Payne and all the other Bama boys. I suspect the actual financials of this deal won't be nearly as wild as the proposed $84 million floating around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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