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Budget Fight (Trump Mantle / Border Security Shutdown))

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13 hours ago, Larry said:

Two days ago, the story about the shutdown was centered around FBI agents and TSA screeners and Coast Guard sailors defending our country for free, while their commanders advised them on where the food banks are. 

 

And the Dems were willing the story. 

 

Now, it's about Donald and Nancy ruining each other's photo op junkets. 

 

Congratulations on resurrecting another month of "I blame both sides". 

This is the Trump era, there's always another story coming to usurp the previous one. Heard about how the President instructed his lawyer to lie to Congress? That'll be fading into memory after the idiocy we're going to see today.

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Hmm... couple of kids walking home from school, or deadly caravan...

 

I would so love it if the Mexicans revoked whatever credentials Fox has and threw them out of the country as an undesirable.

 

~Bang

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I can't believe how long this **** has gone for. Trump cares about his wall more than our representative democracy, and the GOP is going along with it. He cares more about his vain wall than however many lives become collateral damage. He cares more about his wall than regular government functions which are important for the nation. He cares more about "winning" than the economy as a whole.

And the GOP is lockstep with him.

Screw these people and whatever "voters" support them, its the right wing version of chaos and anarchy.

The moment Trump/GOP drop the wall from these discussions, a deal will be made. They don't care about "border security" -- the government agency responsible for "border security" has been shut down for a month.

Working class Feds have felt the economic squeeze just like everyone else, that there is no concern over missing 2 paychecks is an outrage.

Oh, but they need to win the next election...

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I think it's to the point that neither the Dems or Trump is gonna blink.  It's up to the Rep senate working with Dom leadership to get this done.  That's a scary thought in and of itself!

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14 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

 

 

Unity was the Dems greatest asset in this

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What's that Lassie!?

 

Mitch McConnell is drunk on power and preventing democracy from functioning!?

 

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13 minutes ago, RedskinsFan44 said:

There's no way this ends before something bad happens to force it to.

 

Assume you mean "something worse"

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21 minutes ago, techboy said:

 

His name is Jose Andres, and he's awesome. https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/15/us/chef-jose-andres-feeding-federal-workers-shutdown-trnd/index.html

 

His restaurants are awesome too.

 

Truth!  Chef Andres is the same guy that basically fed Puerto Rico when Trump decided to just throw paper towels at them.  He's also one of the most influential American chefs of the past 20 years.  

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47 minutes ago, Fergasun said:

I can't believe how long this **** has gone for. ....
 

Question how much longer would you be willing to take it before giving the 6 Billion?

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3 minutes ago, nonniey said:

Question how much longer would you be willing to take it before giving the 6 Billion?

 

Giving money to the hostage taker would be the dumbest move ever. 

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5 minutes ago, Hersh said:

 

Giving money to the hostage taker would be the dumbest move ever. 

Maybe but was just asking how long the Dems would be willing to hold out?  I take it your answer is until January 2021 if necessary?

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13 minutes ago, Hersh said:

 

Giving money to the hostage taker would be the dumbest move ever. 

 

That sounds like something Trump would say.

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4 minutes ago, nonniey said:

Maybe but was just asking how long the Dems would be willing to hold out?  I take it your answer is until January 2021 if necessary?

The real question is how long Senate Republicans can hold out. Trump is unlikely to agree to anything that can pass the Senate. His veto will have to be over ridden.

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Alternatively maybe when Trump hits an approval of 35 he caves. Probably two weeks for that.

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6 minutes ago, nonniey said:

Maybe but was just asking how long the Dems would be willing to hold out?  I take it your answer is until January 2021 if necessary?


It's interesting that you're asking how long the Dems will be willing to hold out, but why aren't you asking about the republicans?

People forget that in a negotiation, one side gives up something and the next side reciprocates to come in the middle. In this case the democrats have started that process by passing republican bills. The ball is in the GOP's court right now. It's on them to make the next move in negotiations rather than just sit there like a sack of potatoes.

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5 minutes ago, nonniey said:

Maybe but was just asking how long the Dems would be willing to hold out?  I take it your answer is until January 2021 if necessary?

 

I mean, I think the answer might be "indefinitely," so long as polls hold.

 

I mean, we basically just found out that the President, who started this shutdown bc some Foxhead said the deal he got wasn't good enough, was suborning perjury to Congress, and, depending on written answers to Mueller, may have committed it himself.

 

Trump's numbers have been dropping pretty badly throughout.  At the start of the shutdown his net approval was like -10, and now it's about -15.

 

Dems have no incentive to cave to the hostage taker.  They're winning.  People (rightfully) blame Trump.  If polls start to shift, then sure, Dems have to reevaluate, but if things hold, there is zero reason to come to the table.  It'd be like negotiating a peace treaty with Germany in January 1945.

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