SkinsGuy Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr. Sinister said: Gruden sends Guice smacking into the back of an O linemans fat ass on 1st down for the fifteenth time he doesnt just collapse in a heap. Nah. Guice knows how find those holes and avoid that ass. This isn't Perine we are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 26 minutes ago, JoeJacobyHOForRIOT said: You knew we weren't about to be outdone by the Raiders and all that AB drama Lets bench A.P. Well we don't like to be outdone in this area but I think Jay and Allen put in a little more effort to match or surpass the Raiders. I'm sure they are working on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said: Then we shouldn't have given him a two year extension with guaranteed money. Or we should have traded him. You make a good point. A healthy, hungry AP generating interest at the trade deadline sounds pretty nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, SkinsGuy said: Nah. Guice knows how find those holes and avoid that ass. This isn't Perine we are talking about. But wasn't Perine active every game last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetThePointsSoar Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Look, we're a big underdog in this game out of the gate, so I don't think we need to win this game for Jay to be vindicated for this decision... ...but after DG ends up with 120+ rushing yards, and at least one TD, and we as a bare minimum stay competitive in this game, some of y'all dang near owe some apologies after this craziness, lol. Ready for kickoff, let's gooooooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit33 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Smallwood will never has as many eyes on him as today while playing special teams lol. Heres to a Steve Tasker like effort from Smallwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, LetThePointsSoar said: Look, we're a big underdog in this game out of the gate, so I don't think we need to win this game for Jay to be vindicated for this decision... ...but after DG ends up with 120+ rushing yards, and at least one TD, and we as a bare minimum stay competitive in this game, some of y'all dang near owe some apologies after this craziness, lol. Ready for kickoff, let's gooooooo This isn't about thinking AP would be more effective than Guice. There will be no apologies regardless of how well Guice plays...because he needs to come off the field at some point, and our backup option is now worse. AP against a defense that Guice has battered and bruised, or vice versa, was near the top of everyone's wishlist, right? Let's not pretend this is oh-so-logical now when we had AP-Perine-CT active every game last year and made up those ST's snaps elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsGuy Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 12 minutes ago, nonniey said: But wasn't Perine active every game last year? Probably was, but the point of my post wasn't whether AP should be active or not. It was another poster saying Guice was just going to spend the game running into the backs of his OL, and I was saying no, because he is not Perine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho fan Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 16 minutes ago, LetThePointsSoar said: ...but after DG ends up with 120+ rushing yards, and at least one TD, and we as a bare minimum stay competitive in this game, some of y'all dang near owe some apologies after this craziness, lol. Even if the skins won in dominating fashion I would still think it was a bad decision. I do do hope Guice comes out and lites it up though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyst Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 1 hour ago, KDawg said: Disclaimer: I wouldn’t have done this. AP as an active back up makes sense. but... Jay doesn’t like AP in his ear. Having him active allows that to happen, which distracts him. AP also doesn’t play on special teams. To be contrarian to myself: keeping him active gives a workhorse backup option, keeps wear and tear off or Guice, keeps the offensive MVP active and avoids locker room bull****. Jay/management is immune to success. I think that is what it is. I think they enjoy failure. Must be a BDSM thing or something with those clowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsGuy Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 As for AP being inactive, I don't get it. During the week, I didn't think that would be the plan, but apparently it was. The only reason I see them doing this besides the lame reasoning of ST play, is for Guice to be the guy. If Guice starts a little slow early, there might have been calls by some (maybe many) to bench him and put in Peterson. By doing this, Gruden assures that the team, the players, the fans are all in on Guice. No going back. Let's play some football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, SkinsGuy said: As for AP being inactive, I don't get it. During the week, I didn't think that would be the plan, but apparently it was. The only reason I see them doing this besides the lame reasoning of ST play, is for Guice to be the guy. If Guice starts a little slow early, there might have been calls by some (maybe many) to bench him and put in Peterson. By doing this, Gruden assures that the team, the players, the fans are all in on Guice. No going back. Let's play some football. This would never have been an issue. He's a RB, not a QB. You can rotate them freely without fans caring, especially when one is coming off an ACL. No need to be "all-in" emotionally on a RB, it's a committee position across the league and highly dependent on the rest of the roster (and playcalling) for success except in special cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmania123 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, SkinsGuy said: As for AP being inactive, I don't get it. During the week, I didn't think that would be the plan, but apparently it was. The only reason I see them doing this besides the lame reasoning of ST play, is for Guice to be the guy. If Guice starts a little slow early, there might have been calls by some (maybe many) to bench him and put in Peterson You know it is the kid's game coming from a pretty severe injury. Why workhorse the hell out of him in the first game. You balance it and then let him loose by the 3rd or 4th game if he can handle it. It is nice to have the luxury of an AP for a bit of break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Has little to do with Guice imo. Its a depth issue. AP is still a starter quality back who you could have spell a dude coming off a bad acl injury. Your top 2 RB's are now 2 guys with recently injured legs, along with a guy who's been here for 5 minutes, and a line that's been very hit/miss with their run blocking, and a HC who loves telegraphing his run calls. This smells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said: I get the logic of what Jay is doing. It doesn't sound crazy at all I'm not sure what logic you're referring to or what doesn't sound crazy. Could you please elaborate? ---------------------------------------------- 10 second hypothetical: Your team lacks play makers on offense, your best (at least most proven) pass-catcher is out with a concussion, your WRs are, at best, unproven. Do you want MORE options at the skill position or LESS options? What should have taken place over the last 2 weeks was a concerted effort to figure out how to get both AP and Guice touches, and even potentially have them on the field at the same time at times. Because that would be new and different, and the Eagles couldn't prepare for it. A coach's job is to take the talent they are given and maximize that talent. I think it's pretty clear in this instance the Redskins are not a better team on the field with AP on the sidelines. And by putting him on the sidelines, the Redskins decided to remove one of their best weapons on their own. This was a bad move, and there's just no getting around it. Good organizations don't do things like this. They get the best players on the roster on the field and they figure out how to get the most productivity from them. They don't sit what could be one of the top 5 players on the entire team. 8 minutes ago, Mr. Sinister said: Has little to do with Guice imo. Its a depth issue. AP is still a starter quality back who you could have spell a dude coming off a bad acl injury. Your top 2 RB's are now 2 guys with recently injured legs, along with a guy who's been here for 5 minutes, and a line that's been very hit/miss with their run blocking, and a HC who loves telegraphing his run calls. This smells. If I was wearing a tin hat, this feels like a "I didn't want AP, I wanted Perine, so here's what I'm going to do" type of thing. Instead of figuring out how to maximize productivity from both Guice and AP, which is the thing that should have been going on since, well, May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 2 hours ago, wit33 said: An argument could be made the Skins best player is inactive today. An argument can be made Jay decided Guice is a much better fit for his offense. Antonio Brown would be the best player on many rosters yet was a free agent yesterday. And an argument could be made that best cannot be defined until all players play one game. AP is our most proven RB - but we see backs every year that no one knew would be doing fine. Or dominating more than AP did. Last year... CJ Anderson? Damien Williams.. there were more. Theory maybe its also a courtesy to Guice to not be looking over his shoulder. I don't know if that is a thing or not but we always hear RBs need to be the guy, get lots of carries, to be effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, RandyHolt said: Theory maybe its also a courtesy to Guice to not be looking over his shoulder. I don't know if that is a thing or not but we always hear RBs need to be the guy, get lots of carries, to be effective. That's not how the modern NFL really works any more, but it would fit with the fact that we seem to be behind on everything as a franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said: I'm not sure what logic you're referring to or what doesn't sound crazy. Could you please elaborate? ---------------------------------------------- 10 second hypothetical: Your team lacks play makers on offense, your best (at least most proven) pass-catcher is out with a concussion, your WRs are, at best, unproven. Do you want MORE options at the skill position or LESS options? The Eagles are particularly vulnerable to RBs who catch in space -- I posted a stat on that front from Silva on another thread. So doubling up with 2 RBs who can do that makes sense. One of whom is bent on revenge on his old team -- all of which isn't crazy. Also, coming from a dude that arguably is the lead cheerleader of the Guice bandwagon starting from the fall of 2017 -- I totally get their hype about making him the lead dog and to mix in 2 scat back types who can catch the ball. If that logic is crazy to you. Then hey whatever floats your boat. I like Peterson, I've probably posted as much on the Peterson thread as anyone. And I flat out said I'd have Peterson active. But the fact that they didn't do it doesn't feel crazy to me. I get the logic albeit I disagree with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, RandyHolt said: An argument can be made Jay decided Guice is a much better fit for his offense. Antonio Brown would be the best player on many rosters yet was a free agent yesterday. And an argument could be made that best cannot be defined until all players play one game. AP is our most proven RB - but we see backs every year that no one knew would be doing fine. Or dominating more than AP did. Last year... CJ Anderson? Damien Williams.. there were more. Theory maybe its also a courtesy to Guice to not be looking over his shoulder. I don't know if that is a thing or not but we always hear RBs need to be the guy, get lots of carries, to be effective. Guice might be a better fit for Gruden's offense. In which case, Gruden should adapt his offense so he can use 2 of the most talented skill position players on the roster. If you can't figure out how to use a 1000 yard back from last year, then God help you. 18 minutes ago, Cougarrick said: Gotta be a good reason for AP not playing. Does there thought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wit33 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, RandyHolt said: An argument can be made Jay decided Guice is a much better fit for his offense. Antonio Brown would be the best player on many rosters yet was a free agent yesterday. And an argument could be made that best cannot be defined until all players play one game. AP is our most proven RB - but we see backs every year that no one knew would be doing fine. Or dominating more than AP did. Last year... CJ Anderson? Damien Williams.. there were more. Theory maybe its also a courtesy to Guice to not be looking over his shoulder. I don't know if that is a thing or not but we always hear RBs need to be the guy, get lots of carries, to be effective. I don’t have an extreme position. Just feel that AP has great value and this was an out of left field type move. Guice is no doubt the future and a guy who appears increases in value in being a physical presence consistently throughout a game. Many running backs can succeed if the system is solid, RPO QB, or an elite pocket QB, but only rare ones (AP) can carry an offense with elite running traits. Guice doesnt appear wired in a way to worry about another dude threatening his position. But I hear ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said: The Eagles are particularly vulnerable to RBs who catch in space -- I posted a stat on that front from Silva on another thread. So doubling up with 2 RBs who can do that makes sense. One of whom is bent on revenge on his old team -- all of which isn't crazy. They have 2 of those in Guice and CT. 1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said: Also, coming from a dude that arguably is the lead cheerleader of the Guice bandwagon starting from the fall of 2017 -- I totally get their hype about making him the lead dog and to mix in 2 scat back types who can catch the ball. I don't mind him being the lead back. But he hasn't had 1 regular season carry and was cleared for contact in week 3 of the pre-season. I mean, having another proven back active who had 1000 yards for the team last year seems like it would make a lot of sense. 1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said: If that logic is crazy to you. Then hey whatever floats your boat. I like Peterson, I've probably posted as much on the Peterson thread as anyone. And I flat out said I'd have Peterson active. But the fact that they didn't do it doesn't feel crazy to me. I get the logic albeit I disagree with it. It's not crazy for this organization. But it's not what winning organizations do, sidelining their most productive offensive player from the previous year for an un-proven guy coming off an injury, backed up by another guy coming off of an injury and a guy they picked up last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooleyfan1993 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Redskins fans a week ago: Man i cant Wait for guice to be the workhorse and get 100+ a game!! redskins fans now: what?? Benching AP?? This team is ridiculous!! (saw this on Twitter, don’t hurt the messenger!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poindexter Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 I think soon we will hear that Kevin O'Connell will serve as our interim head coach if this season gets off to a rough start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Cooleyfan1993 said: Redskins fans a week ago: Man i cant Wait for guice to be the workhorse and get 100+ a game!! redskins fans now: what?? Benching AP?? This team is ridiculous!! (saw this on Twitter, don’t hurt the messenger!!!) They aren't related lines of thought at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooleyfan1993 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 1 minute ago, ConnSKINS26 said: They aren't related lines of thought at all. Tell that to the nfl memes twitter account Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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