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Exposing undemocratic disinformation tactics, Cambridge Analytica etc. data mining

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SoulSkin

SoulSkin

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Sounds like Facebook cares more about their own asses and assets. That guy Stamos, I'm not sure what to think about him, but at least it seems like he wanted to help cooperate and fix the issues. He ran into similar differences with Yahoo and the way they secured user data when he was with them.

https://www.recode.net/2017/10/3/16379724/facebook-alex-stamos-russia-ads-election-donald-trump

 

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Dan T.

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I'll be interested to see the distinction made among what is legal, what is legal but shady, and what is illegal in what Cambridge Analytical did, specifically in the U.S. in the 2014 midterms and in the 2016 Presidential election. 

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Renegade7

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5 hours ago, tshile said:

um....

 

do you "announce" you're seeking a warrant to seize someone's servers?

 

seems silly...

 

i would think the smart move is to just show up and take them... reminds me of the hillary email server investigation... when the fbi took months to "request" the servers. shocker, they were scrubbed. 

 

Mixed bag, man, but this is my opinion on that: 

 

It's hard to justify a 4th Amendment violation, but they got away with breaking into those San Bernadino iPhones and in my opinion never should've asked Apple to begin with.  I'm not sure if its been brought to court that out of fear of wiping, the government broke in via hacking to get evidence it was looking for before it could be destroyed.  Child Porn touches this more, where it seems they can keep someone until they unlock other devices if they already have evidence and want to make sure they nail them to wall (which I think another court needs to revisit as well, he could be in there long then the time he would server if he just unlocked them already and took the rest of the charges).  I wish we broke into that Email server, too, but anything they found would've been inadmissible anyway.

 

I want the government to make as many Zero Day exploits available to the private sector as they can.  What happened with those Cisco exploit toolkts they had getting out was destabilizing in a way that's hard to explain unless you have to use that technology.  If they don't want to freak out the public, fine, do via a back-channel process, where its more lenient for companies to say they are vulnerable and asking for help without insinuating to the public they've already been hacked.  

 

Government should be focusing their efforts on target specific cyberweapons like Stuxnet or Flame in the interests of national security. We've changed the game, so we need to continue to set the tone before somebody else does, or worse does it better.  My fear of course is the government will use that against Americans, but theiy're the new nukes and we need to be the best at it.

 

 

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zoony

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Pretty sure @BenningRoadSkin posted a lecture from this guy 6 months ago.. iirc he was dismissed handily as just another NYU pinko commie libtard

 

This is on point.  I actually heard a panel discussion on fox/cnn where they actually said facebook wants to clean up its act, but cant.  That spin is already making the rounds it seems.  We know what these big tech companies are... and shame on us, we get what we deserve.  

 

 

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gbear

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We don't have a good privacy law in the US. What's more, I doubt we even have a consistent idea of what privacy laws are on the books and what they mean/intend.

 

Is it illegal to look at my private info?

Is it illegal to use it? What if you weren't the one to take it illegally?

 

We need a more European style approach to "privacy." As it was explained to me by privacy expert, the European laws basically say, "I can't stop you from looking at my info, but if you use it against my interest, I can sue for damages and more." That is very against the US model of privacy where we think we can prevent others from knowing our secrets.

 

I usually refer people to William Weld's healthcare info attempts in MA before Romney care. He had gov create a data set for researching medical costs and outcomes but swore all personally identifiable info would be stripped. MA made it available cheap, and a PHD student bought it. A couple weeks later, the FBI was at her door as she had mailed the governor his entire medical history. She needed only 3 variables to uniquely identify 65percent of people (she thought 80plus, but my work redid and she was lucky. It is still roughly 65 percent). The three variables are date of birth, gender and zip code. For reference, our smart phones give off hundreds of data points a day, if not per hour. Still, people here in the US act like their data is secure and private.

 

We need European style privacy laws, but how do we get people to recognize this? I have been saying it for years. European style laws could open up medical record sharing to that HIPA complicates. The P stands for portability, but that has little to do with how the law is implemented. Just allow us to sue for abuse of access to our data. Stop pretending nobody can get it.

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tshile

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I don't know if it'll connect to the Russian thing, but worth remembering is in the days and just a couple of weeks after the election Kushner's social media and social engineering "skills" were being credited, and highlighted in the media, for helping with he surprise win.

 

 

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Under the guidance of Jared Kushner, a senior campaign advisor and son-in-law of President-Elect Trump, Parscale quietly began building his own list of Trump supporters. Trump’s revolutionary database, named Project Alamo, contains the identities of 220 million people in the United States, and approximately 4,000 to 5,000 individual data points about the online and offline life of each person. Funded entirely by the Trump campaign, this database is owned by Trump and continues to exist.

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https://medium.com/startup-grind/how-the-trump-campaign-built-an-identity-database-and-used-facebook-ads-to-win-the-election-4ff7d24269ac

 

Written just after the election.

 

I imagine there was campaign people interviewed for that story giving them direction. About the companies they worked with and how. Now they say they paid CA but never "used their data"

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SkinsHokieFan

SkinsHokieFan

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This seems like such old news at this point 

 

All of this, including the Trump-Cambridge alliance was known before the election. That is why I don’t get the accusation from the imbecile right about the democrats using Russia as an excuse. We knew this all in the summer of ‘16!!!

 

@zoony was actually right on one thing. President Obama was too much of a “p word” to call all of this out in the open and launch an offensive attack on the Russian interference. He shouldn’t have given 2 ****s if Mitch McConnell was committing treason and refused to make it a bi partisan effort to stop the Putin attack on America. 

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Momma There Goes That Man

Momma There Goes That Man

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I don't think **** is the right word for it but it was definitely a mistake. He was careful not to feed into the partisan conspiracy garbage that would have undermined Hilary's presidency had he come out and released this info on Trump/Russia to the public. 

 

In the end, he probably thought like the rest of us, it will all get sorted out and investigated and squared away after this idiot loses anyway so why take the political shrapnel from the right wing propaganda machine and congress that will further divide the country. 

 

He made the wrong decision but I understand why. I mean he didn't say anything and 30% of voters still think he illegally tapped Trump to spy on his political rival and put Hilary in office. 

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twa

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8 hours ago, Larry said:

I can't help thinking that the simple solution to a lot of this would be simply changing law to make people's data private again.  You know, give US citizens an expectation of privacy.  (What a concept.)  

 

 

you would crater the tech market......which I could live with :)

 

 

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Springfield

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9 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

 

We learned all of that from this? Aside from using stolen data (which CA did and I have not been shown Trump team knew yet) I don't see any of those other connections from this recent CA stuff.

 

Again, I am probably missing something. 

 

Keep in mind that the left uses misinformation as well.

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