2018 Free Agency Database - (Signed: WILLIAMS - McPhee - Scandrick - P-Rich) - (Lauvao, Bergstrom, Nsehke, Taylor, Z. Brown and Quick re-signed)

[OVCChairman]

25 minutes ago, maxspruill21 said:

That’s a bit agressive, I would surrender a first and second round pick though. Maybe it wasn’t a wise for him to hold out this year with a new couch like Jon Gruden, maybe he didn’t want to be in the silver and black but regardless he is in line for a serious payday. Raiders have the cap space, captain for the team, fans worship him. It’s a bold strategy cotton we will see how it pays off for him. 

 

 

I agree it's aggressive, but the report is that the Bears gave up 2 first round picks for Mack... Our last 2 picks are Allen and Payne.... regardless of how good Mack is, I can't really blame Gruden for truly considering that deal.  

[dyst]

In that situation it would be a decision if you think Mack is more valuable than two guys. One a rookie and the other who only played 5 games.

[Master Blaster]

New NFL you spend to score points. 

 

You dont spend 1/6 of the cap on a player who leads your defense to a bottom 25% ranking. 

[oraphus]

its a great move by the raiders.. no matter how unpopular.. Their D was going to be bad no matter what. They need to get younger and better on every level. two first round pics will go a long way.. plus they will be in a great salary cap position to sign a very good vet that mind end up on the street like they always do.

[50yrSKINSfan]

On 8/29/2018 at 11:56 PM, 757SeanTaylor21 said:

I would have kept teddy and groomed darnold behind him. But thats a great move from saints. I really wish instead of trading for alex smith we gave him a shot to see if he recovered fully. I believe in teddy touchdowns as a franchise qb. And hes only 25, thats insane. 

Great minds think alike. Wanted to do a deal like this before we got AS. Feel if we have a bad season with TB then we get a high draft pick and get a franchise QB next year. If he hits then it is a great move and we save tons of money and stil have the corner we gave up. Now if we have a bad season with AS we are out the dough and the rest we gave up and AS wil get us to 7-9 or 6-10 so another draft that we are out of the top 6 or 7. 

[50yrSKINSfan]

On 8/30/2018 at 12:14 PM, OVCChairman said:

 

 

and he's happy doing it here... there's value in that.  He's signed multiple extensions and stayed in the system.

Who wouldn't be happy if you have a noodle arm and you could sit on the bench and collect what, 4-5 mil or what ever he gets for 6 months time! WTF.

[skinsfan212689]

Man Tanner Lee and Kurt Benkert both got cut 2 guys I was hoping we’d scoop and develop. 

 

I’d try to get one of them unfortunately we’d have to have them on the active roster....

 

Decisions. 

 

Hail!

[skinsmania123]

24 minutes ago, 50yrSKINSfan said:

Great minds think alike. Wanted to do a deal like this before we got AS. Feel if we have a bad season with TB then we get a high draft pick and get a franchise QB next year. If he hits then it is a great move and we save tons of money and stil have the corner we gave up. Now if we have a bad season with AS we are out the dough and the rest we gave up and AS wil get us to 7-9 or 6-10 so another draft that we are out of the top 6 or 7. 

You could not have possibly known what you were going to get with TB before he played in a couple preseason games.  He could have gotten the yips.  He could have gotten injured again, lost speed, mobility, etc.  Too many questions.   The Skins were not going to negotiate with Cousins clearly so they needed a QB and Reid was ready to move on from a fairly reliable one and we had something he wanted, so he traded.   And the Skins have a decent roster so why gamble on Bridgewater? Makes no sense.  

 

IMO the Jets had no intentions of holding onto Teddy.  It was the best case outcome for the Jets.  They parlayed him into trade value.  

[JSSkinz]

Damn

[NickyJ]

The Raiders also just traded for AJ McCarron. I don't know about Derek Carr, but I'd be kind of nervous right now.

[Voice_of_Reason]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the only three NEW FA signing who's on the 53 are Paul Richardson, AP and Parnell McPhee:

 

Offense:

QB(2): Alex Smith, Colt McCoy - Smith was traded for, McCoy was here. 

WR(6): Paul Richardson, Jamison Crowder, Josh Doctson, Trey Quinn, Cam Sims, Maurice Harris - Richardson was a FA, Quinn and Sims are rookies.  Everybody else was here.

RB(5): Adrian Peterson, Rob Kelley, Samaje Perine, Chris Thompson, Byron Marshall(*Will be placed on IR with sprained MCL/ACL) - AP Free Agent, everybody else was here last year

TE(3): Jordan Reed, Vernon Davis, Jeremy Sprinkle - Same group as last year

OL(9): Trent Williams, Shawn Lauvao, Geron Christian Sr., Brandon Scherff, Morgan Moses, Ty Nsekhe, Chase Roullier, Tony Bergstrom, Casey Dunn. - Christian and Dunn are rookies, the rest were all here last year

 

Defense:

DL(6): Jonathan Allen, DaRon Payne, Matt Ioannidis, Ziggy Hood, Anthony Lanier II, Tim Settle - Payne and Settle rookies. Everybody else was here. 

CB(6): Josh Norman, Quinton Dunbar, Fabian Moreau, Danny Johnson, Adonis Alexander, Greg Stroman - Strohman, Alexander and Johnson are all rookies.  THe rest were hear last year. 

S(4): D.J. Swearinger, Deshazor Everett, Montae Nicholson, Troy Apke - Apke is a rookie.  Everybody else was here

OLB(4): Ryan Kerrigan, Preston Smith, Pernell McPhee, Ryan Anderson - McPhee is a FA add.  All else were here.

ILB(5): Zach Brown, Mason Foster, Josh Harvey-Clemons, Zach Vigil, Shaun Dion Hamilton - Hamilton is a rookie, All the rest were here last year. 

 

All the specialists were back.

 

Richardson was the FA "prize"' this off-season.  McPhee, we'll see.  AP was only signed because Guice got hurt.

 

So minus the Guice injury, we would have had 2 new FAs on the team. 

 

** Obviously, Alex Smith is a big addition, but he was a trade.  Specifically looking at FA.

 

That's honestly kindof shocking.  And I'm not sure in a good way...

[Jericho]

9 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the only three NEW FA signing who's on the 53 are Paul Richardson, AP and Parnell McPhee:

 

That's honestly kindof shocking.  And I'm not sure in a good way...

 

But it's not news. The only players they signed all offseason were Richardson, Scandrick, and McPhee. I mean its the title to this thread. We knew this back in July. Or really April. The only difference between then and now is that Scandrick got cut. 

 

Technically, they may and sign some cut players, either via waivers or free agency, so you may see 1 or 2 more.

[“Misdirection”]

33 of 53 were Drafted by us or UDFAs

 

everyone wants to build through the draft until we actually do it lol

 

i shudder to think what that number would be even 10 years ago 

[Thinking Skins]

 

[Malapropismic Depository]

I feel like we've replaced Will Compton with Zach Vigil.

Does anyone think that's an upgrade ?

[Voice_of_Reason]

55 minutes ago, LLandryistheshiz said:

33 of 53 were Drafted by us or UDFAs

 

everyone wants to build through the draft until we actually do it lol

 

i shudder to think what that number would be even 10 years ago 

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i like the approach, but given the record the last 3 years, you would think they would add a little more differences makers through FA.  

 

[NickyJ]

9 minutes ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

I feel like we've replaced Will Compton with Zach Vigil.

Does anyone think that's an upgrade ?

I do. Will Compton was slow as molasses. Zach Vigil seemed like he was in on every play on the injured team. He's not awesome, but I think he'll be more useful than Compton.

[skinny21]

8 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

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i like the approach, but given the record the last 3 years, you would think they would add a little more differences makers through FA.  

 

I’m torn on this.  I agree we needed to add some difference makers.  Going into the offseason, we needed a receiver (maybe 2?), a LG, DL (at least a NT, maybe more) and a running back. They also needed to sort out the qb situation and re-sign/replace Brown at ILB.  We also wound up needing a slot corner to replace Fuller.  

 

Now, we got our receiver, our DL (x2), re-signed Brown, got a qb, got our back (and his replacement once he was injured) and have maybe ‘lucked into’ a slot corner.  Just so happened that we filled all of those via draft, re-signing, USFA, or trade (Richardson and AP the exceptions, as you pointed out).  

 

So really, aside from LG (although technically we brought back Lauvao, and before that had hope for Kouandijo), we seem to have hit all the positions we needed.  Time will tell if it works out.  

 

One last thing is that we are counting on Roullier, Nicholson, Doctson, Moreau and Dunbar - relatively unproven guys, but guys the staff maybe didn’t feel the need to replace with FAs (as of yet).  

 

Long story short, it’s hard to find a spot that the team would have for sure benefited from adding a difference maker (LG the exception), which works out pretty well considering the youth movement and the desire/need to save money for re-signing our FAs next year and beyond.  

 

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

22 minutes ago, skinny21 said:

Long story short, it’s hard to find a spot that the team would have for sure benefited from adding a difference maker (LG the exception), which works out pretty well considering the youth movement and the desire/need to save money for re-signing our FAs next year and beyond.  

So here’s the thing: over the past three seasons, not just last season, this is a .500 team.  I think that at times people “fall in love” with the guys who are here, even when they might be average at best, and haven’t won anything.  

 

You say it’s tough to find a position that could really use an upgrade from a FA, and I say every position could.  

 

One of two two things has to be true:  The skins have .500 talent or they have better talent and bad coaching.  And before anybody brings up injuries, I’m looking at 3 years worth of results, which is a large enough sample size to somewhat mitigate last years injury situation. 

 

Again, I like the youth movement and building through the draft.  But you can always use difference makers at any position.  And Richardson is a B grade FA pickup.  McPhee is a C or D, and AP was last resort.

 

You can do that if you’re a consistent 10-6/playoff team like the Steelers.  If you’re struggling to get to .500, you might sign one or two A level FAs IN ADDITION to building through the draft.  

 

The two things are not mutually exclusive...

[JSSkinz]

15 hours ago, NickyJ said:

The Raiders also just traded for AJ McCarron. I don't know about Derek Carr, but I'd be kind of nervous right now.

I agree, it's not like they traded for a lifer backup like Colt, AJ is young and has talent and wants to start.

 

Makes you wonder.

[Butters20]

I was surprised to see both guards Isaac asiata and Nico suragusa cut. Both were young guys with decent draft position. Give them a run? 

[JaxJoe]

Sounds like Junior Gallete is having some regrets:

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/JovaisG/status/1036085516268122112

[Est.1974]

10 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

 

i like the approach, but given the record the last 3 years, you would think they would add a little more differences makers through FA.  

 

 

I agree.

 

Given the structure of the current roster, at the least I would like to see extensions given to Preston Smith and Scherff fairly soon. 

[CTskin]

9 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

 

One of two two things has to be true:  The skins have .500 talent or they have better talent and bad coaching.  And before anybody brings up injuries, I’m looking at 3 years worth of results, which is a large enough sample size to somewhat mitigate last years injury situation. 

The last two seasons we were 31st and 32nd respectively. The year before was also bad, I believe we were in the high twenties. Your 3-year sample size is tainted.

 

10 hours ago, Malapropismic Depository said:

I feel like we've replaced Will Compton with Zach Vigil.

Does anyone think that's an upgrade ?

The difference is the Vigil actual covered very well. He was statistically the third best ILB in "passer rating when targeted" (Compton consistently sucked at everything).

[carex]

9 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

So here’s the thing: over the past three seasons, not just last season, this is a .500 team.  I think that at times people “fall in love” with the guys who are here, even when they might be average at best, and haven’t won anything.  

 

You say it’s tough to find a position that could really use an upgrade from a FA, and I say every position could.  

 

One of two two things has to be true:  The skins have .500 talent or they have better talent and bad coaching.  And before anybody brings up injuries, I’m looking at 3 years worth of results, which is a large enough sample size to somewhat mitigate last years injury situation. 

 

Again, I like the youth movement and building through the draft.  But you can always use difference makers at any position.  And Richardson is a B grade FA pickup.  McPhee is a C or D, and AP was last resort.

 

You can do that if you’re a consistent 10-6/playoff team like the Steelers.  If you’re struggling to get to .500, you might sign one or two A level FAs IN ADDITION to building through the draft.  

 

The two things are not mutually exclusive...

 

an injured player is a player who may as well not be on the team.  For the past three years we've suffered some of the worst stats for games lost.  We were last in 2017, and in searching I found an article from 2016 about how that year's team fared injury wise, that also mentioned we were 31st in AGL in 2015.

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/washington-redskins/numbers-say-2016-redskins-were-among-teams-hit-hardest-injuries

 

Your three years checking coincide with a terrible history for the health of Redskin players