General Mass Shooting Thread (originally Las Vegas Strip)

[twa]

Just now, Springfield said:

Ok, I have follow up questions

 

What if the teachers refuse to arm themselves?

 

People seem to think that @twa‘s comment that the underlying problem is that people want to kill other people is a good point.  Don’t really hear any ideas on how to stop that.  Any ideas or are we just giving up?  Are we gonna say “yeah, people just want to kill others, oh well”?  That’s all.

 

 

You certainly don't arm those unwilling or incapable....but you don't advertise who and where.

 

Better screening/intervention and encouraging snitches, trampling rights 

 

usually someone knew or should have. ya play the odds

[AsburySkinsFan]

7 minutes ago, twa said:

 

my future physics teacher child can put two in his eye at 25yrds. and teach math

 

arms race is not the problem though is it?

It ABSOLUTELY is the problem. And being anle to hit a target is a VASTLY different ability than taking out a prepared shooter.

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

I am in favor of our government leaders having a discussion on mental health AND on legislation to reduce gun violence and crime.

 

Sure seems that whenever this happens, people who say they want to discuss mental health are presenting it in the sense of "instead of gun violence & crime" but actually have no serious intention of addressing either.

 

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50 minutes ago, visionary said:

 

Pfft... More circle jerk.

Edited February 15, 2018 by Sacks 'n' Stuff

[Springfield]

5 minutes ago, twa said:

 

You certainly don't arm those unwilling or incapable....but you don't advertise who and where.

 

Better screening/intervention and encouraging snitches, trampling rights 

 

usually someone knew or should have. ya play the odds

 

And are you gonna pay these teachers who want to carry extra?  They should probably make more money being that they have to be responsible for it’s safe keeping (while most likely nothing ever happens for them to need to use it).  I certainly hope they don’t hold any liability for its use in the event they need to use it.

 

And by the way, since these teachers will be making significantly more for carrying a deadly weapon with them at all time, won’t the public record show they make significantly more money and thus anyone can find out who’s carrying if they look hard enough?

 

Sure seems to be just a better idea an Make America Safe Again.

[Renegade7]

11 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

You're right, there are definitely nuances and layers.

 

But at the root, the core, is a reason why.  Why'd that kid plot a school shooting today, what's so ****ed up about his world view that made him want to do that?  We'll never know why the Vegas guy did what he did.  But the kids that shot up the school today, we'll hear about it.

 

IIRC, the two that did Columbine, they were tired of being bullied.  They targeted the jocks and the popular kids.  

 

And so, when every kid that's been picked on or bullied, maybe is a little socially awkward and doesn't know how to stick up for himself or fit in...saw that Klebold and Harris did what they did and made national headlines...well, I think that's what's set this off.  All of a sudden you've given a green light to anyone that's ever thought of taking a gun to school and blowing away someone he didn't like.  Klebold and Harris made it ok. 

 

 

Here's the thing.  That's a valid question.  In the meantime, what's more realistic to address first: securing the schools or figuring out why kids are shooting them up and convincing them otherwise? Bullying has been going on forever, what changed?  What do we do in the meantime?

[Springfield]

16 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

I don't think so.  There's a lot of factors at play, so I think what we have to be careful of is going into too deep on some ideas to point people think we've forgotten about the other ones.  I'm not sure how many people think that mental health isn't a factor, but I think that number isn't the majority.  

 

Mental health is probably the driving factor.

 

Solution:  Make a shrink (or a panel of shrinks) evaluate every gun owner for capability.  No guns for use, or history of use, of any mood altering or related drugs, prescription or otherwise.

[Commander PK]

12 minutes ago, Springfield said:

 

Well, go.  I’m all ears.

 

Our society has prioritized all the wrong things.  

 

We worship money and status.  We don’t empathize with other people.  Our schools create a rat race competition and social pecking order between people that continues on into adulthood.  The weak are beaten down emotionally by the strong.  

 

Some can’t or aren’t equipped to keep up.  We have lost our moral compass and the basic concept of right and wrong. 

 

Do what thou wilt.

[twa]

If they look hard enough they might find another target or come up on the radar.

 

No I would not pay extra, though paid training and the gun and safe price can be reasonably compensated.

If there is a problem with volunteers I certainly support recruiting 

[Momma There Goes That Man]

 

Just now, Painkiller said:

 

Our society has prioritized all the wrong things.  

 

We worship money and status.  We don’t empathize with other people.  Our schools create a rat race competition and social pecking order between people that continues on into adulthood.  The weak are beaten down emotionally by the strong.  

 

Some can’t or aren’t equipped to keep up.  We have lost our moral compass and the basic concept of right and wrong. 

 

Do what thou wilt.

 

When you say society are you speaking simply of American society Because those problems exist everywhere. I agree, there is a discussion to be had and ways we can improve in that regard but these type of events don’t happen elsewhere at this rate or magnitude, despite many of the same elemtents that you outlined above being present 

[Springfield]

2 minutes ago, Painkiller said:

 

Our society has prioritized all the wrong things.  

 

We worship money and status.  We don’t empathize with other people.  Our schools create a rat race competition and social pecking order between people that continues on into adulthood.  The weak are beaten down emotionally by the strong.  

 

Some can’t or aren’t equipped to keep up.  We have lost our moral compass and the basic concept of right and wrong. 

 

Do what thou wilt.

 

So we need socialism.

 

[Momma There Goes That Man]

Just now, twa said:

If they look hard enough they might find another target or come up on the radar.

 

No I would not pay extra, though paid training and the gun and safe price can be reasonably compensated.

If there is a problem with volunteers I certainly support recruiting 

 

Recruiting how? Recruiting trained civilians to then be teacher? And this is a realistic solution for you?

[Renegade7]

9 minutes ago, Springfield said:

 

Mental health is probably the driving factor.

 

Solution:  Make a shrink (or a panel of shrinks) evaluate every gun owner for capability.  No guns for use, or history of use, of any mood altering or related drugs, prescription or otherwise.

 

I believe it and agree with you.  From experience, therapy and how to address certain mental health issues is a process and for some people it does not work before its too late.  That's a layer we need to take seriously, but like all the others, it can't be the only one.  

 

Edit:  I don't know how I feel about giving everyone a mental health evaluation.  And that's way to vauge, we want to ban people from getting guns if they take adderall or deal with anxiety?

Edited February 15, 2018 by Renegade7

[PleaseBlitz]

 

[Springfield]

1 minute ago, PleaseBlitz said:

 

 

Savage

[visionary]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 15, 2018 by visionary

[twa]

Just now, Momma There Goes That Man said:

 

Recruiting how? Recruiting trained civilians to then be teacher? And this is a realistic solution for you?

 

a part of the solution, do you doubt the ability of recruiters?

 

Seems more realistic than thinking you are going to remove guns from society .

[NoCalMike]

Still not sure why AR-15's are a legal weapon to own. 

[PleaseBlitz]

2 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

Still not sure why AR-15's are a legal weapon to own. 

 

Because Colt Manufacturing Co.is a huge Republican political donor. Obv. 

[Commander PK]

4 minutes ago, Springfield said:

 

So we need socialism.

 

 

I think we need to get back to loving and respecting one another as fellow human beings.  Socialism isn’t the answer but neither is unchecked greed.  

 

To have rational discussion we need to stop calling each other names and sit down at the proverbial table together.  We have a great nation, and I love my country, but we have some serious social and cultural problems in America that there are no easy answers to.  

 

 

[DogofWar1]

3 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

Still not sure why AR-15's are a legal weapon to own. 

Indeed.  It is one of the primary tools that is used in these.  Involved in pretty much all of these mass fatality events at this point.

 

The AR-15 needs to be banned for private ownership, as should all immediate replacements that function similarly, with the sole exception that they can be owned but stored only at gun ranges and transfers between ranges are handled by the ranges themselves.  No one should be carrying their own AR-15 outside of a gun range.

[Larry]

3 hours ago, Kilmer17 said:

In 2020 when the Democrats hold the White House and both houses of Congress, what specifically will the democrats do about this?  

 

And why why haven’t they done it already. 

 

Bot, that will sure silence all those posters who are claiming that 100% of Democrats are free of the NRA.  

 

And it will completely justify doing nothing.  

 

[PleaseBlitz]

NOBODY CAN ACTUALLY DEFINE “ASSAULT RIFLE”.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is the only phrase in any language that is undefinable. 

[Renegade7]

12 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said:

NOBODY CAN ACTUALLY DEFINE “ASSAULT RIFLE”.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is the only phrase in any language that is undefinable. 

ya, man, I was looking around for the class of firearm above handguns, shotguns, and single shot rifles.  For me it comes back to weapons that take high capacity magazines (if anyone has a better definition to go by, I'm all ears).  I don't think you can stop these mass shooting completely, but right now there is too much ammo involved.

[Bozo the kKklown]

1 hour ago, twa said:

 

I'm willing to support universal background checks in exchange for arming select folk in schools and security upgrades....deal?

 

Let's make it hurt em

there was an armed guard in Columbine, iirc.

 

There was an armed police officer at Stoneman Douglas and the school and officials had active shooter training..

 

Just because you want to have your Rambo fantasy and you think your gun is your manhood, doesn't mean kids have to die.

 

edit: there were two police officers at Stoneman

This "good guy with a gun" theory needs to die.

 

Edited February 15, 2018 by BenningRoadSkin

[twa]

Just now, BenningRoadSkin said:

there was an armed guard in Columbine, iirc.

 

There was an armed police officer at Stoneman Douglas and the school and officials had active shooter training..

 

Just because you want to have your Rambo fantasy and you think your gun is your manhood, doesn't mean kids have to die.

 

The Columbine one was sitting in his car in the parking lot or some such right?

 

Kids don't have to die unprotected while you jerk off to banning ar-15s either