2018 Comprehensive NFL Draft Thread

[Mannix]

I think Hurst has better combine numbers than Kelce did and is a little more effective as a blocker.  I’ve posted here before the Chiefs offense ran through Kelce.  The middle of the field is where Smith is the most comfortable and effective.  Chiefs liked two TE sets.  

[JamesMadisonSkins]

I ran a Fanspeak to see how the RB-C I have in my mock from earlier would play out on defense with later picks. Got offered 1.18, 4th, 5th, 5th from Seattle. Forget the fact that it’s badically their entire draft since they don’t have a 2&3 and just roll with that sort of return from a similar team in that range since it’s fair compensation. 

 

1.18: Derrius Guice, RB LSU

2.12: Billy Price, C/G OSU

4.9: Tim Settle, NT VT 

4.20: Quin Blanding, FS UVA

5.5: Javon Rolland-Jones, Edge Ark. State 

5.19: Deontay Burnett, WR USC

5.26: Will Richardson, OT NC State

5.31: Troy Apke, SS Penn State

6.14: Kameron Kelly, S/CB SDSU

 

stopped there. Was gonna plan to take that Fumatakasu guy at NT in the 4th but Settle was there. This would be an absolutely amazing draft. Literally high upside guys at all positions of depth and need plus playmakers on the interior OL, RB and NT. 

 

3 safeties provide depth but diff skills. Kelly as a slot corner, Apke as a ST guy who is raw and can learn SS and Blanding who’s a local guy and plays FS. Like Rolland-Jones too as a project rush specialist. 

 

Only thing id maybe change is swap Apke or Blanding with a TE knowing now that I came away with 3 S (as BPA essentially at those picks) 

 

Anyway, Guice-Price-Settle with picks 1-2-3 is probably a pipe dream. At least the Settle part is. But who knows. 

 

Taking out the trade down ... and using our original picks, I’d still love the draft of:

1.13 Guice 

2.12 Price

4.9 Settle

5.5 Rolland-Jones

5.26 Burnett

6.14 Kelly

[Mannix]

1 hour ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

I ran a Fanspeak to see how the RB-C I have in my mock from earlier would play out on defense with later picks. Got offered 1.18, 4th, 5th, 5th from Seattle. Forget the fact that it’s badically their entire draft since they don’t have a 2&3 and just roll with that sort of return from a similar team in that range since it’s fair compensation. 

 

1.18: Derrius Guice, RB LSU

2.12: Billy Price, C/G OSU

4.9: Tim Settle, NT VT 

4.20: Quin Blanding, FS UVA

5.5: Javon Rolland-Jones, Edge Ark. State 

5.19: Deontay Burnett, WR USC

5.26: Will Richardson, OT NC State

5.31: Troy Apke, SS Penn State

6.14: Kameron Kelly, S/CB SDSU

 

 

 

I’m not familiar with all the prospects you have here (I do like Burnett).  Settle is large but seems like a 5 round talent.

 

 

I’ve got two scenarios I’ll pitch since we are getting closer to the draft:

 

If Hankins or Logan are signed here is the first scenario.  This scenario has the Redskins getting a 3rd round pick for the oft injured but talented Jordan Reed.

 

1.  Derwin James.  SS FSU BPA.  Gives D big time flexibility.  

2.  Hurst.  TE South Carolina.  Flex TE with some flexibility as inline player. 

3.  Frank Ragnow Arkansas C/G All you Darone Payne fans watch Ragnow match up against him.  He more than held his own.  Starting guard for skins.

4.  Nathan Shepherd DT Fort Hays.  5 technique depth.  Tomasula special.  

5a.  J’mon Moore WR Missouri.  Big potential. A young TO.  Physical freak, dropped passes.  Targeted a lot. 

5b.  Jaylen Samuels RB. N.C. State.  Remember Roger Craig from the 49ers?  This guy is just a weapon.  1000 yards rushing 1000 yards receiving down the road.

6.  Tanner Lee QB Nebraska.  Big problem was turnovers.  Alex Smith is Yoda when it comes to not turning it over.  “Teach him he will”.

7.  Colby Gossett G Appalachian State.

 

With no NT signed.

 

1.  Vita Vea NT Washington 

2.  Hayden Hurst TE South Carolina.

3.  Nick Chubb. RB Georgia

4.  Braden Smith G Auburn.

5a. Parry Nickerson CB Tulane

5b. Nattrell Jamerson safety Wisconsin 

6.  Tanner Lee QB Nebraska.

7.  Daurice Fountain WR Northern Iowa

 

[CurseReversed]

4 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Amusing to listen to Cooley on Payne.  He said multiple times he knows the FO likes Payne a lot -- while almost sighing about it saying he sees Payne as a late first round talent.

I love Payne but it seems like this is the growing consensus as far as his value.  I have to take that into consideration 

 

If i could pick the perfect player that would most improve this team overall in the next four years.   It would have to be another stud D-lineman.  Someone who is big, strong and solid against the run, but also has the athleticism to bring down mobile QB's and elusive RB's when they are scrambling around the LOS.

 

These guys killed us last year.

 

Very often I see people rating D-line primarily in terms of pass rush or the ability to stop the run, .  But I think another important aspect is how often a d-line looses contain and plays get broken down.  IF a mobile qb breaks contain he can and did make some of his biggest plays.  Sometimes with the run but even more with the pass. 

What I saw more often that not last year. was countless times that the opposing qb or rb was able to slip by a guy who might have been in position but was just not athletic enough to actually make the play

 

IF Payne is too far out of range for a BPA i just hope they get someone like him when they do end up picking because this is where they really need to start stocking their  cabinets.  

3 hours ago, crabbypatty said:

Disagree. A stud rb is a necessity, not a luxury. Barring serious injury, we'd have a guaranteed 1000 yard rusher every year for the next 5 to 7 years.

Look at the cowgirls. With a good oline and rb, they were able to win 13 games with a stiff like Prescott at qb. Their weaksauce defense looked great because the offense had the ball so much. They did the same thing with Murray as well, 13 games I believe. Smith needs a good running game to be really really effective.

 

Guice has to be the pick at 13. I'd be willing to bet on it. He will mask many defensive deficiencies, and hopefully help prevent injuries from the defense not being on the field as much.

I think you are right.  and I would love juice.  But from the teams perspective its easy to see how they might view it different.  

 

First of all they have what they believe to  be a near elite 3rd down back in Thompson.  before he got injured he was taking the league by storm.  Its fair to be concerned with health at this point but as far as we know he should be ready to go 100% at the start of season so, im giving him the benefit of the doubt now.  After this year, though we will no longer have any uncertainty regarding our expectations. We will know if he can stay healthy and we will know if he cant.

So Thompson could easily be getting 40-50% of the off snaps.   Not that Guice couldn't compliment this greatly.  ITs just  that it adds a little less value to the pick knowing they have another fast explosive 3rd down back thats going to be getting a lot of balls.  

 

As far as what we need.   We have a couple average backs with a 3rd down back that could be turning into something special.   We could use more but we are not lost IMO

Now on defnese we are dead last in rushing we were getting killed out there by everybody from qb' to Rb's at the los.   We abosolutely need more then anything is as much talented big men we can fin into the trenches.   To bring these guys doesn and stop making fools of ourselves.

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[The Consigliere]

14 hours ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

Portis' opinions might be the flavor of the day, but if what he is saying is true ... at #44 the most likely options for us are Chubb, Penny and Johnson ... all guys he's not super high on. I wonder if that is an opinion that is prevailing within the Skins war room. If it is, then maybe we really are higher on Guice at 13 or in a trade-down scenario ... or maybe we do wait and hope Walton or Ballage are there for our 4th round picks. Because I have a hard time seeing Michel there at #44.

 

It's just sad to me. I love Portis the guy, I don't care what he thinks about Prospects. I will take Barfield's work, and John More's work, and Anthony Amico and Matt Kelley's work ten out of ten times. He doesn't like that Penny avoids contact? Funny, because Penny was top 3 in the class between the tackles, and the only RB other than Barkley that was superlative across every single front faced (I think Chubb was too, just not at his level). Additionally that knock on Penny, true or not, was precisely the knock on the best RB selected since 2015 not named Todd Gurley or Zeke Elliot, I'm speaking of David Johnson. He was consistently ripped, even his manhood and toughness ripped, for being a wuss inside, for not taking on defenses aggressively, as if getting tackled and hit is a positive. Two years later and Johnson is finishing off a season with 1232 yards rushing, 80 receptions, 879 yards receiving and 20 TD's, 2000 freaking yards from scrimmage. Anyone still complaining about his toughness between the tackles?

 

Ballage sucked in college, he's a mega athlete that never put it together and if you want, you could read a lot of negatives into that crappy BP for a guy with his athleticism. Reeks of Michael Westbrook concerns (passion for the game may be lacking, not spending enough time in the weight room). Walton is an enigma, if he was hurt, that explains how a player that looked fantastic in '16, tested so poorly after the ankle injury in '18, but for now, he's got red flags on size and athleticism (all the athletic markers sucked, I think he's a great day 3 value pick after you take a swing at RB on day 1 or 2). 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[The Consigliere]

10 hours ago, HTTRDynasty said:

I love Guice, but my main issue with the pick is the fact that we would be getting terrible relative value over the next 5 years.

 

For example, Zeke and Jalen Ramsey are both top 5 players at their position.  Based on talent alone, you could argue that either Zeke (ignoring the off-the-field stuff) or Ramsey was the right pick for the Cowboys at #4 in 2016.  That there was no wrong pick.  However, that extremely underrates the value you get from having Ramsey under contract for 5 years vs. having Zeke under contract:

 

Zeke is the 7th highest paid RB in the league.  That is pretty good value for a top 5 back.

 

Ramsey is the 30th highest paid CB in the league. That is unbelievable value for a top 5 CB.  It's a huge reason the Jags are able to pay Calais Campbell, AJ Bouye, and the other studs on that defense so much going forward.  That is the kind of value that leads to Superbowls.  Just ask the 2013 Seahawks.  IMO, the Jags hurt themselves last year by drafting Fournette (who is the 5th highest paid RB btw) at 4 rather than just drafting Deshaun Watson or Mahomes in the 1st and drafting a RB like Alvin Kamara, Kareem Hunt, Cook, or Mixon later in the draft.  They'd be SB favorites this year.

 

RB is the one position where it's better to get a guy in FA on his second contract than it is to get in the 1st round of the draft.  That is because you probably end up paying less for the FA over the life of the contract than you do a first round draft pick.  RB is pretty much the only position where that is the case.  If you can't find a FA RB, then you're better off drafting one on Day 2.  It's all about value when trying to build a consistent SB contender under the salary cap.

I do not have a problem missing on Guice, I believe firmly that he's in a tier with another three RB's and that the other three will go somewhere between immediately after our pick, and around slot 40. I'm perfectly okay with us moving down (if the D talent isn't there) and selecting the best of the rest with a pick in the late teens to late 20's: Chubb, Penny, Michel, no problem. If the D is there, we take the D talent, then I'd try to do a deal something like this: 

 

We give our 2nd, and 4th and a '19 3rd

We get a pick between 27-33, and a '19 4th. 

 

Hopefully something like that can get it done. 

 

I don't think we can afford to wait on RB's falling into our lap at 44. Unless somebody reaches for Jones way too early, which would make it kinda possible. Wish I knew if teams had Chubb and Penny and Michel with 1st or top 45 grades. 

 

 

[The Consigliere]

5 hours ago, Mannix said:

I think Hurst has better combine numbers than Kelce did and is a little more effective as a blocker.  I’ve posted here before the Chiefs offense ran through Kelce.  The middle of the field is where Smith is the most comfortable and effective.  Chiefs liked two TE sets.  

 

Nervous about Hurst. Bad Breakout age (basically 24), he'll be 25 for week 1 kick off, that is a big ol red flag. He's solid athletically, but both Gesicki, and Goedert have him beat there. I just view Gesicki, and Goedert as distinctly superior prospects, and Andrews as a better prospect too. Hurst is interesting in round 3 or 4, but I'm not taking a 25 year old (when the season starts) that didn't start dominating until he was 3-4 years older than his opponents in the top 50 of a draft, that just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I think he probably is a productive, solid starting TE in the league, but he's basically a touch from 30 by the end of his rookie contract, and w/breakout age, and speed so relevant w/regards to success at the next level, it's alarming that he's really poor in one area, and just above average in the other. I would definitely pass on Hurst. 

 

 

 

[HigSkin]

 

 

[Koolblue13]

That's 3 interesting later first round picks.

[wilco_holland]

8 hours ago, Mannix said:

I think Hurst has better combine numbers than Kelce did and is a little more effective as a blocker.  I’ve posted here before the Chiefs offense ran through Kelce.  The middle of the field is where Smith is the most comfortable and effective.  Chiefs liked two TE sets.  

 

I think that in the draft people will sleep on him. If you draft somebody who is 20 years old, you think he still has upside. He can get faster, stronger etc. With Hurst people will feel like, this is what you get. 25 year old TE. Sure he will develop his game but physically, what you see is what you get. Limited upside. 

 

Imo does are just stupid thoughts but it's how some teams think. 

[Est.1974]

Wadley on day 3, also like Boettger as a day 3 late pick. Add in Josh Jackson and that Iowa drafted.

 

Got to think we we are hoping to move back from 13 and/or jump up from 44.

[RWJ]

We may take 2 RBs in the draft.  Skins keeping things close to their vest with draft although name like Guice, Vea, Payne and Price have come up quite often. No particular order.

[Est.1974]

2 minutes ago, RWJ said:

We may take 2 RBs in the draft.  Skins keeping things close to their vest with draft although name like Guice, Vea, Payne and Price have come up quite often. No particular order.

 

Got to remember CT25 is a major part of our offense too.

 

I hope the Broncos dump CJ Anderson and we go for him.

[RWJ]

1 minute ago, UK SKINS FAN '74 said:

 

Got to remember CT25 is a major part of our offense too.

 

I hope the Broncos dump CJ Anderson and we go for him.

I can see us drafting a thumper type RB Guice and then Wadley or a slashing type back later in the draft.  Love CT as he was huge in our O last year and had a coming out party but his injured past and the injury sustained last year is something to be concerned about.  Just a hunch.  

[Skinsinparadise]

4 hours ago, The Consigliere said:

 

It's just sad to me. I love Portis the guy, I don't care what he thinks about Prospects. I will take Barfield's work, and John More's work, and Anthony Amico and Matt Kelley's work ten out of ten times. ..

Ballage sucked in college, he's a mega athlete that never put it together and if you want, you could read a lot of negatives into that crappy BP for a guy with his athleticism. Reeks of Michael Westbrook concerns (passion for the game may be lacking, not spending enough time in the weight room). Walton is an enigma, if he was hurt, that explains how a player that looked fantastic in '16, tested so poorly after the ankle injury in '18, but for now, he's got red flags on size and athleticism (all the athletic markers sucked, I think he's a great day 3 value pick after you take a swing at RB on day 1 or 2). 

 

Not pimping for Portis  but I'll say on his behalf he gave a lot of detail on most of these prospects.  He was even going over the tape with Cooley.  I listen to just about every draft geek I can on the radio and none of them launched into even the fraction of detail that Portis did on the prospects he covered.

 

But just like any draft geek, it doesn't mean Portis is right.  It's just one man's opinion. So I agree with you there.  A lot of people end up wrong on a lot of prospects -- that's why as Doug said recently the draft is a crap shoot.

 

The reason why though Portis opinion is likely more relevant though than any draft geek is because if Cooley is right his reports are going right to the FO.  According to Cooley, Portis a paid consultant to them on the RBs.

 

As for Walton's combine performance, Portis talked about it.  He said he wasn't healthy then.  But was better during his pro day and ran faster.  Ironically Walton and Ballage are touted as RB sleepers by the PFF guys.   I am not trying to sell either Walton or Ballage but I know Portis isn't out on a huge limb all alone on those guys.   I haven't personally really studied either guy.  Though its hard for me to ignore Walton, one of the Miami Dolphin reporters (who is a U M fan) has a massive man crush on the dude and keeps pushing him in his write ups.

 

As for Penny, Portis didn't dislike him as a prospect.  That was the guy he came off the most mixed-unsure of.  Ditto Chubb. For Penny one thing I forgot to mention, he went into his fullback (unlike most of the others) helping dictate his holes quite a bit.  But he was impressed with his breakaway speed.

 

http://caneswatch.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2018/03/28/miami-hurricanes-pro-day-2018-nfl-auditions-feel-like-last-day-of-school/

Walton, who turned pro a year early despite the injury, shaved a full second off his 40-yard dash time from the NFL combine (4.6 to 4.5, according to a source) and looked smooth catching passes. Several Hurricanes used the workout, held inside the Miami Dolphins’ practice bubble in Davie, to prove they’re over injuries. Others wanted to show they’d improved their speed or increased their fitness...

 

...“How does it feel being back on the field with Mark, after his injury?” he asked Berrios.

“It’s incredible,” Berrios began, as reporters chuckled. For them, though, the moment was genuine.

“We had a 1,000-yard back, really, I think, easily a top-5 back in this draft class, who got hurt this year, and he wasn’t able to do all the things he wanted to for us. Now, having him out here and showing these scouts he’s 100 percent, he’s ready and he’s a bull in a china shop, it really meant a lot to me.”

 

As for Ballage, I've seen and heard the critics about him.  Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane.  Portis though oddly has company from the PFF guys, they ran a segment about under the radar RBs they really like, 2 of the three picked were Walton and Ballage.  They disagree with Portis on K. Johnson.

https://www.si.com/nfl/video/2018/03/12/2018-nfl-draft-rb-mark-walton-kalen-ballage-kerryon-johnson

PFF guy on Walton:   "He was "spectacular" before the injury.  He can be an absolute steal in this draft"

PFF guy on Ballage "incredible vision, burst, speed -- can be more special NFL player than college player

 

[crabbypatty]

6 hours ago, CurseReversed said:

First of all they have what they believe to  be a near elite 3rd down back in Thompson.  before he got injured he was taking the league by storm.  Its fair to be concerned with health at this point but as far as we know he should be ready to go 100% at the start of season so, im giving him the benefit of the doubt now.  After this year, though we will no longer have any uncertainty regarding our expectations. We will know if he can stay healthy and we will know if he cant.

So Thompson could easily be getting 40-50% of the off snaps.   Not that Guice couldn't compliment this greatly.  ITs just  that it adds a little less value to the pick knowing they have another fast explosive 3rd down back thats going to be getting a lot of balls.  

 

As far as what we need.   We have a couple average backs with a 3rd down back that could be turning into something special.   We could use more but we are not lost IMO

Now on defnese we are dead last in rushing we were getting killed out there by everybody from qb' to Rb's at the los.   We abosolutely need more then anything is as much talented big men we can fin into the trenches.   To bring these guys doesn and stop making fools of ourselves.

 

 

I don't think it's a conflict for several reasons:

1. Thompson is coming off an injury. Even though it's not "serious" fast guys who get their wheels messed up don't always look the same afterwards.

2. because of that injury, you have to think he will be eased back into games

3. I may be wrong, but I think he only signed a 2 year extension last offseason, so he's in a contract year this year

4. There's no law saying they can't go 2rb some of the time. They could do alot of misdirection gadget stuff with both guys on the field.

 

So I don't think having thompson precludes taking a rb high. It just so happens his strength is running into the teeth of defenses, something our current roster of backs absolutely suck at.

[Reaper Skins]

13 hours ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

Rams really going all in. Pretty remarkable. And now Pats supposedly in play to move up for a QB? 

 

Imagine if they grabbed Lamar and had Belichick and McDaniels helping him develop behind Brady

 

[skinny21]

5 hours ago, The Consigliere said:

 

Nervous about Hurst. Bad Breakout age (basically 24), he'll be 25 for week 1 kick off, that is a big ol red flag. He's solid athletically, but both Gesicki, and Goedert have him beat there. I just view Gesicki, and Goedert as distinctly superior prospects, and Andrews as a better prospect too. Hurst is interesting in round 3 or 4, but I'm not taking a 25 year old (when the season starts) that didn't start dominating until he was 3-4 years older than his opponents in the top 50 of a draft, that just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I think he probably is a productive, solid starting TE in the league, but he's basically a touch from 30 by the end of his rookie contract, and w/breakout age, and speed so relevant w/regards to success at the next level, it's alarming that he's really poor in one area, and just above average in the other. I would definitely pass on Hurst. 

 

 

 

This is a fair concern, but using breakout age for him is tricky... he didn’t walk on until he was 21 (22 when the season started) because of his time playing minor league baseball.  So he broke out in his 2nd season.  Still somewhat raw, but he’s a very solid player already.  

3 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

That's 3 interesting later first round picks.

Yeah, they seem to be putting serious work in planning for a trade back... which is good.  

1 hour ago, RWJ said:

I can see us drafting a thumper type RB Guice and then Wadley or a slashing type back later in the draft.  Love CT as he was huge in our O last year and had a coming out party but his injured past and the injury sustained last year is something to be concerned about.  Just a hunch.  

Love CT too, but as you say, there are some concerns there.  Love how he sets up his blockers.  I do think we could use a guy to develop behind him (and depth, though we do have some interesting options there), and it would help to add some more elusiveness/speed.  Wonder if we find a guy that could also return kicks.  

[Rex Tomb]

2 hours ago, UK SKINS FAN '74 said:

Wadley on day 3, also like Boettger as a day 3 late pick. Add in Josh Jackson and that Iowa drafted.

 

Got to think we we are hoping to move back from 13 and/or jump up from 44.

Watched a short video on Wadley and his running style reminds me of Portis.

[mistertim]

6 hours ago, The Consigliere said:

I do not have a problem missing on Guice, I believe firmly that he's in a tier with another three RB's and that the other three will go somewhere between immediately after our pick, and around slot 40. I'm perfectly okay with us moving down (if the D talent isn't there) and selecting the best of the rest with a pick in the late teens to late 20's: Chubb, Penny, Michel, no problem. If the D is there, we take the D talent, then I'd try to do a deal something like this: 

 

We give our 2nd, and 4th and a '19 3rd

We get a pick between 27-33, and a '19 4th. 

 

Hopefully something like that can get it done. 

 

I don't think we can afford to wait on RB's falling into our lap at 44. Unless somebody reaches for Jones way too early, which would make it kinda possible. Wish I knew if teams had Chubb and Penny and Michel with 1st or top 45 grades. 

 

 

 

Disagree with your belief, here. Chubb, Penny, and Michel were not in conversations after the 2016 season about who would be the top drafted RB in the 2018 draft against Barkley. Guice was. If it wasn't for him basically playing injured for the whole 2017 season, I believe there would be a big debate right now about Barkley vs Guice in this draft as to who the top RB is and we likely wouldn't even have a shot at him, so in a sense I think we're lucky that he played the whole 2017 season banged up. I'd be quite happy if they pick him at 13, especially assuming that his nagging injury is now behind him. I think Chubb, Michel, Penny are in a tier below Barkley and Guice. But to each their own.

[HTTRDynasty]

6 hours ago, The Consigliere said:

I do not have a problem missing on Guice, I believe firmly that he's in a tier with another three RB's and that the other three will go somewhere between immediately after our pick, and around slot 40. I'm perfectly okay with us moving down (if the D talent isn't there) and selecting the best of the rest with a pick in the late teens to late 20's: Chubb, Penny, Michel, no problem. If the D is there, we take the D talent, then I'd try to do a deal something like this: 

 

We give our 2nd, and 4th and a '19 3rd

We get a pick between 27-33, and a '19 4th. 

 

Hopefully something like that can get it done. 

 

I don't think we can afford to wait on RB's falling into our lap at 44. Unless somebody reaches for Jones way too early, which would make it kinda possible. Wish I knew if teams had Chubb and Penny and Michel with 1st or top 45 grades. 

 

 

 

I personally wouldn't trade up into the late first for any RB, even if Guice falls.  And like I said, I love Guice.  It's just not a good move long-term IMO if you have SB aspirations.  When was the last time a team won a SB that had an RB they drafted in the first round on their roster?

 

And yes, I'd be sorely tempted if what we get is the guy below, but I'd have to restrain myself and think about roster construction as a whole and relative value.

 

 

[JamesMadisonSkins]

I think there's a really, really sneaky chance that if Barkley goes 4-6 that the Bucs take Guice at #7. I think there's enough smoke there right now to Guice NOT falling. I think teams are smart. They see what he did in 2016 and what he's capable of and even what he did in 2017 injured and running into stacked boxes. Combine that with the fact that recent trends of rookie RBs coming in and changing the makeup of teams, and I can easily see the argument for it. All you have to do is look at Fournette-Kamara-Hunt from last year.

 

And let's not forget that he had a pretty damn good combine. He ran a 4.48 after all ... faster than Michel/Penny, etc.

 

And if these rumors are true about Bruce being on the hot seat, he might want to make a big push for an impact player, which for once might benefit us by taking Guice at 13. I do think that if he's there you take him. Trading back risks someone like Baltimore coming to their senses and taking him. I don't think he falls past 20.

[JamesMadisonSkins]

If we are all so certain that RB was going to be a target in the 2nd, I don't have any issue with it being the target at #13. If it's the impact guy we all seek, and he's a next-level talent that had pre-2017 comparisons to Adrian Peterson, you get the guy at all costs. Hope that someone at LG/C or NT/DE falls to #44.

 

Guice at #13 and someone like Settle/Ragnow in the 2nd would do wonders. Or if someone like Price or Daniels falls, even better. And then you go after the UConn NT in the 4th if he's there. Plenty of picks to get guys in this draft, but no one can/will impact the bottom line more than a big RB. Guice is that guy, you get him. Don't get cute.

 

Now if Derwin James or Minkah are there, it might be a tough call.

[HigSkin]

I think someone was asking about this and one D coaches opinion...

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

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Makes a lot of sense at No. 13

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Washington sent Bruce Allen and Doug Williams to Baton Rouge for LSU's pro day. Brilliant fit for Guice

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