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      In today's Divisional Debacle, the Defense under Greg Manusky in the first half, gave up 207 yards of offense (105 rushing/102 passing) and two touchdowns.  That said, they did manage a single INT on which the Offense actually managed to score a touchdown off of. They allowed 12 of 16 passes to be completed . 
       
      In the second half it was 107 yards given up (58 rushing//49 passing) a field goal and a touchdown. They traded their first half pick for a second half sack. However, Dallas completed all five of their pass attempts. 
       
      Don't read that thinking "Well it seems like they tightened up some in the 2nd half."  They didn't. They simply had about half the plays in the second half. 30 plays in the First and 18 in the Second.
       
      So far in two Divisional matchups, the Defense has faltered in the Second half. They start out like a house of fire for the first few drives until their opponents gradually make adjustments. This Defensive coaching staff fails make any adjustments, whether in game or at the very least at Halftime. They've given up over 30 points per game for a total of 63 points given up in two games. While the Bears are up next, the Pats await and they've put up over 70 points in two games. Yeah. Ok. They did shut out the Dolphins today which is looking like the NFL version of ... ahem... shooting fish in a barrel. 
       
      The frustrating thing is Manusky is the DC that the Front Office actively looked to replace during the off season without firing him. When you know they're looking to replace you, most people would make a concentrated effort to show an improvement. Yet Manusky's Defense still keeps acting like it's starring in Groundhog Day.
       
      In his post game presser, when asked directly about if any coaching changes would be made, Gruden said "No, I think after two games – you’re talking about playing two very good offensive football teams and two of the best offensive lines in pro football we just played back-to-back. That’s no excuse whatsoever, but I don’t think we need to hit the panic button yet. We just have to continue to focus on what we can do better to win. Get Jonathan [Allen] in here, get a couple of our corners back in here and let’s go back and strap it up against Chicago [Bears] next week and see what happens.” 
       
      Here's another frustrating thing. The defensive communication was an issue last season as well. Wasn't this supposed to have been worked on during OTA's and Training Camp? It's understandable that the rookies would still be on a learning curve, but NFL vets like Collins and DRC you'd think they would have down by the start of the season. 
       
      Gruden said they're a very talented group on Defense but that they weren't reaching them. When questioned as to why the coaching staff that has been in place for several years, wasn't reaching them, he defended the comment as them being a young defense. “We have some moving parts now. Landon Collins is a veteran guy but this is his first year, [Montez] Sweat’s in his first year, [Cole] Holcomb, it’s his first year, [Jon] Bostic is in his first year. We’re playing Dominique [Rodgers-Cromartie] at corner and this is Jimmy Moreland’s first year, so it’s not like we are the most experienced group. We feel like were very talented, but we`re still fighting through somethings. There are a lot of things to look forward to, without a doubt, but we do have to play better and strap it up and get back to work."

       
       
       

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Is it Possible? Terrelle Pryor as #3QB and we keep another player on the 53? M.E.T.

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Much like Brian Mitchell, can Pryer give us another player on the 53 by being the 3rd QB? Maybe be able to keep another WR? We would have to cut McCoy *I* know...

Secondly, is Pryer fixable as a viable QB? Kinda of a RG3 re-boot but have Gruden coach him up?  Most of his problems were similar to RG3, 1st read/run. But given time as a WR and knowing the routes, can he be a "project". He's faster than RG3 is now since he didn't get injured...

 

I am curious if this might be an option if Cousins doesn't sign a LTD. Pryer MAY be more conducive to coaching (sans EGO)

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2037649-what-went-wrong-for-terrelle-pryor-in-oakland

 

This IS FAR REACHING *I* know..and may be in fact a stupid idea...what do you think???

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This was a briefly dismissed half page conversation in one of the threads already.

 

The QB3 will be throwing to the PS and all the back ups every day in practice, so no.

 

The QB3 doesnt dress on game day, so thats a no.

 

Trent Williams can play TE. Should we not have another TE3 on the roster, so we can squeeze a random PS player in at a position that possible starters are competing at? No.

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1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said:

This was a briefly dismissed half page conversation in one of the threads already.

 

The QB3 will be throwing to the PS and all the back ups every day in practice, so no.

 

The QB3 doesnt dress on game day, so thats a no.

 

Trent Williams can play TE. Should we not have another TE3 on the roster, so we can squeeze a random PS player in at a position that possible starters are competing at? No.

Not arguing with you..just looking at options so that *might* make sense;

Some teams only carry 2qb's so there should be a way to get PS work in

Mitchell was dressed and came in the body bag game as a QB so I would assume Pryer could dress as a WR and fillin at QB if needed as a 3rd QB

From what I read Nate is competent and *could* be a viable. IF Cousins is hurt long term..that screws up the 2018 plan if he is not signed to a LTD and Nate would get a good look. We won't get into the playoffs with McCoy IMO

 

As for starting a thread...all the Cousins threads were closed..it's not a WR question..and I had a question...

 

So, I'll just go back to not posting..no big deal. Enjoy

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There's a thread about Pryor specifically, and a "random thought" thread for miscellaneous stuff. Either would have worked. Nobody's telling you not to participate

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Ya'll are ruthless for the sake of being ruthless, completely unnecessary.

 

I don't know about QB3, but if our top two go down in a game, like another body bag game, Pryor is who I want under center.  I wouldn't give up Nate to do that though.

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If there was a second game like that, Im sure Pryor would be the one to fill in , but listing your WR1 as a QB3, just makes no sense. What player would ultimately be more important if both Colt and Cousins missed several games, than Suds?

 

 

You know whats a waste of a spot on the 53? ****ing long snapper. You mean you can find someone who can play LB, TE or Oline, that can long snap a football? ****ing ridiculous. Im also shocked that not one person in the world can both punt and kick. XP, FG (same ****), KO and Punt. 3 whole ways to kick a football over and over? I dont get it.

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Zero chance Pryor is the "#3" QB. If Nate shows no improvement (or regresses) then there could be a 4% chance that Pryor is the "emergency QB"...and yes there is a difference. 

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1 hour ago, SkinsPassion4Life said:

Is Sudfeld eligible for the practice squad?

 

yes

 

1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said:

If there was a second game like that, Im sure Pryor would be the one to fill in , but listing your WR1 as a QB3, just makes no sense. What player would ultimately be more important if both Colt and Cousins missed several games, than Suds?

 

 

You know whats a waste of a spot on the 53? ****ing long snapper. You mean you can find someone who can play LB, TE or Oline, that can long snap a football? ****ing ridiculous. Im also shocked that not one person in the world can both punt and kick. XP, FG (same ****), KO and Punt. 3 whole ways to kick a football over and over? I dont get it.

 

plenty of people can punt and kick.  But carrying only one  means you're screwed if that guy gets hurt.  I do know if I was a GM I'd try to get two guys who could do both.  I'm also surprised there's no Danny Whites or Tom Tupas these days.  As for long snappers, it seems like they're a bit slimmer than your standard OL these days.  I guess it's so if the defender across from him slams him into the ground while his head is down there's a smaller gap in the line.  And we've seen a few teams have embarssments when their LS goes down during a game.  Though they could solve that by trying to get a few guys who could snap and give them all a little practice time

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Although Pryor could play QB, he would only do so on an emergency basis. Pryor's presence doesn't really factor in at all as to the final 53. The team will keep 2 or 3 QBs. If cuts anyone, it would be Sudfeld. The only other possibility would be due to injury.  But if the team keeps 2, there will be a practice squad QB. So Pryor wouldn't get reps there.  No matter who is kept, Pryor only plays QB is everyone else active is hurt.

 

You could use Pryor for some gadget plays though

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34 minutes ago, The Mayor of Fed Ex Field said:

Jordan Reed is our emergency quarterback, FYI.

This is true.  LOVE the thought though.....what if JR (perish the thought) is injured?  Just when we are in the doldrums before fun-time, you HAVE to post this.  Thanks Hanburger. Thanks Mayor.  Just what I need to think about at nights now. :) HTTR

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43 minutes ago, Riggo'sRangers said:

This is true.  LOVE the thought though.....what if JR (perish the thought) is injured?  Just when we are in the doldrums before fun-time, you HAVE to post this.  Thanks Hanburger. Thanks Mayor.  Just what I need to think about at nights now. :) HTTR

Then Jamison Crowder is the emergency quarterback.

 

We can't set Pryor aka Pryer back from progressing as a WR, and make him the #3.

 

Pryor is also in a one year "prove it" deal, no way he is even interested in being QB.

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Bad idea.  Cutting loose mccoy, who is a decent backup on an affordable contract, and could re up for a similar contract when this one expires, or cutting loose sudfeld, who is an intriguing prospect, for a converted wr who is playing on a 1 yr contract is a bad idea.  I can see a situation where pryor walks next year and we wish we had mccoy or sudfeld back.  An Ltd with cousins might make this option more attractive, but at this point in time I wouldn't consider it.  

 

How confident would you be with sudfeld being the opening day starter in the next year or two? 

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Jay Gruden was a QB and also knows  our system well. Is there a rule against having a player/coach on your 53? If so, then **** you Mara!

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I'm fine with that. Honestly there is no point in having a 3rd QB. If your top 2 QBs get hurt your season is over anyway. I'd rather use that roster spot for someone who can at least maybe step in to play special teams or backup a line spot or something.

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If Pryor had anything to offer as a QB, he'd be doing that instead of playing WR. That said, if he needed to step in as an emergency QB at some point, he'd at least have some idea of what he is doing under center.

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On 6/6/2017 at 8:46 PM, BraveWarrior said:

If Pryor had anything to offer as a QB, he'd be doing that instead of playing WR. That said, if he needed to step in as an emergency QB at some point, he'd at least have some idea of what he is doing under center.

I think thays the point of the thread.  The OP isnt asking if he should be our long term answer.  Just if we need to carry a #3 when this could could fill in.  After all, once you get to your #3 you probably arent expecting to win much.

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