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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.

       
       
       
       
       
       
       

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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8 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

 

 

That is my point. Any solid evidence of crimes will and should be reported by mueller.  As he has done, as he will do. 

 

Therefore, the additional investigations going on in congress seem like petty attempts to drag the investigation out as long as possible and aren’t related to the the cause of justice.

 

 

 

 

So if investigations into the 2016 election throw up evidence of possible criminal actions of the President, people attached to his campaign, his family (two of whom are senior members of his administration) and other senior officials within the Executive branch ... it’s your position that the House and Senate should do nothing but hope the FBI and Dept of Justice do a good job???

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There is so much corruption in the Trump administration, it's up to the Congress to hold hearings and request/subpoena documents. I trust Democrats infinitely more than Republicans, because we see how Republicans have exercised oversight of the Executive branch thus far. 

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21 minutes ago, MartinC said:

 

So if investigations into the 2016 election throw up evidence of possible criminal actions of the President, people attached to his campaign, his family (two of whom are senior members of his administration) and other senior officials within the Executive branch ... it’s your position that the House and Senate should do nothing but hope the FBI and Dept of Justice do a good job???

 

 

Seems reasonable to me.... congresses job is to legislate, fbi and department of justice job is to investigate....

 

congres does have oversight duty, they gave that duty re the president to mueller. They either have faith in him or they don’t.

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17 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

 

 

Seems reasonable to me.... congresses job is to legislate, fbi and department of justice job is to investigate....

 

congres does have oversight duty, they gave that duty re the president to mueller. They either have faith in him or they don’t.

 

You must have skipped a few Civics classes. One of the key roles of Congress is oversight of the Executive, a role confirmed several times by SCOTUS. The Special counsel investigation was set up and authorised by the Dept of Justice not Congress.

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Yes, and they delegated that role to mueller, as is their prerogative... when the dems didn’t get what they wanted (thus far) they decided to create political spectacle by opening up new investigation.

 

I agree congress has a right to do it, but after professing faith in mueller it seems strange to me for them to pull a never-mindsie and hold there own partisan investigations.

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8 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

Yes, and they delegated that role to mueller, as is their prerogative... when the dems didn’t get what they wanted (thus far) they decided to create political spectacle by opening up new investigation.

 

I agree congress has a right to do it, but after professing faith in mueller it seems strange to me for them to pull a never-mindsie and hold there own partisan investigations.

 

Congress had zero role in setting up the Mueller investigation. That was set up by the DoJ. Not Congress. Trumps appointed Secretary of State recused himslef (to Trumps fury) and his Deputy Rod Rosentstein (also appointed by Trump) set up the investigation (also to Trumps fury). Mueller is also a registered Republican. No ‘Dems’ involved at that level.

 

Look I’m British but I live here and I get this stuff. Three equal branches of Gvt. The Executive, The Legislature who create laws and have a role in oversight of the Executive and the Judiciary who investigate and uphold laws. 

 

That the Judiciary set up a special counsel to investigate the 2016 Election campaign and then candidate Trump does not excuse the duty of the Legislature to have oversight of the actions of the Executive.

 

It’s hard to let go of the partisan party political aspect of this - but jeez ...

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3 hours ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

Yes, and they delegated that role to mueller, as is their prerogative... when the dems didn’t get what they wanted (thus far) they decided to create political spectacle by opening up new investigation.

 

I agree congress has a right to do it, but after professing faith in mueller it seems strange to me for them to pull a never-mindsie and hold there own partisan investigations.

Wow, you really need to get off the FOX boat

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I don’t watch/read fox news, it is what it is. Common sense applies best in this situation.  Mueller has investigated trump already. QED.

 

 

Muellers report should be released in full. If something other than that happens, then we can talk about other investigations.... till then not a fan.

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Someone forgets that Mueller's investigations are NOT oversight of the entire Trump administration.

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4 hours ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

I don’t watch/read fox news, it is what it is. Common sense applies best in this situation.  Mueller has investigated trump already. QED.

 

 

Muellers report should be released in full. If something other than that happens, then we can talk about other investigations.... till then not a fan.

What were your feelings about The Benghazi hearings and server investigation? Did you feel they covered all things Clinton?

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18 hours ago, NoCalMike said:

The weird thing to me is that it seems like a lot of people would be ok with Trump merely being in the "useful idiot" role.  I understand being a useful idiot is not the same as willfully participating, but why would anyone be ok with someone in the white house being so idiotic and/or easily influenced by bad people (surrounding himself with traitors)?  Why would anyone be okay with that?  If anything I believe the Mueller report is going to show that Trump, even if he himself did not have direct knowledge of the shadiness going on, allowed himself to be duped by those around him to implement policy favorable to certain foreign countries because of the financial gain either for himself or those around him.  Whether or not it is a crime to be stupid when it comes to foreign policy is almost besides the point, at that point, no? 

You know why. They don't care. Trump is on their side, doing things they want. Implementing right wing policies, nominating and getting approved right wing judges, eliminating regulations and tax cuts.

 

If this were a Dem, especially Hillary; she would've been impeached. She would've been convicted and removed from office. Tried for  treason and executed.

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13 hours ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

 

 

That is my point. Any solid evidence of crimes will and should be reported by mueller.  As he has done, as he will do. 

 

Therefore, the additional investigations going on in congress seem like petty attempts to drag the investigation out as long as possible and aren’t related to the the cause of justice.

 

 

 

You don't understand. 

 

Congress has every right to investigate. We have a President making some very questionable decisions on policy. Those decisions appear to benefit foreign powers. It also appears that Trump is personally profiting from the presidency.

 

So, there needs to be a thorough investigation of all if Trump's dealings, to see how they relate to what I just mentioned. Mueller will tell us about collusion with Russia. SDNY will see if Trump's past activities were criminal.

 

Congress is investigating too see how that maybe affecting policy and whether Trump is profiting from the presidency. 

 

It seems pretty simple to understand.

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Really if Muller came to the table with crimes that are impeachable offenses do you think any body of congress would just support impeachment because Muller said crimes happened? No, they wouldn't. And to that a significant portion of the country wont believe a thing Muller has to say because of *reasons*, so a separate body doing an independent investigation from the one Muller is doing would be absolutely necessary to prove anything beyond doubt anyway. 

 

If anything, the way Republicans and Trump himself have politicized everything Muller has done (17 angry democrats) made congress' investigations necessary. If you cant trust one source you need another. This is the only other one we have available to us. So it has to happen. 

 

Also I notice you dont have a problem with the senate investigations that have been going on for 2 years now and under republican control. Whats the difference? 

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14 hours ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

Yes, and they delegated that role to mueller, as is their prerogative... when the dems didn’t get what they wanted (thus far) they decided to create political spectacle by opening up new investigation.

 

I agree congress has a right to do it, but after professing faith in mueller it seems strange to me for them to pull a never-mindsie and hold there own partisan investigations.

 

Congress didn't delegate anything to Mueller. Just because there's a special counsel investigating something doesn't suddenly mean that it removes the need for Congressional oversight of the Executive branch. 

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At this point when you are dealing with folks who seem to lack a basic understanding of how the process actually works, you start to ask yourself why bother.   Half the country is operating under Trump's specific narrative on the matter.  They will claim they don't watch Fox or read Brietbart, but the fact is they are parroting to a "T" what these outlets are saying. So they are either lying about their media sources, or their media sources are merely smaller operations (websites and youtube channels) that just lift their narratives from the bigger places.  

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13 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said:

NOBODY EVER WATCHES FOX NEWS.

I know, right? 

 

2 hours ago, Rdskns2000 said:

You know why. They don't care. Trump is on their side, doing things they want. Implementing right wing policies, nominating and getting approved right wing judges, eliminating regulations and tax cuts.

 

If this were a Dem, especially Hillary; she would've been impeached. She would've been convicted and removed from office. Tried for  treason and executed.

 

....at the inauguration

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This is 2019, within 30 seconds I can be simultaneously watching/reading 50 news sources at once.

 

When I look for news I do a sweep through maybe 5+ sources. 

 

Visionary is #1! 

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3 hours ago, Rdskns2000 said:

You don't understand. 

 

Congress has every right to investigate. We have a President making some very questionable decisions on policy. Those decisions appear to benefit foreign powers. It also appears that Trump is personally profiting from the presidency.

 

 

I understand they have the legal right to do it. I don’t think it’s justified though, or particularly usefully, when it has already been investigated by mueller.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, TryTheBeal! said:

NOBODY EVER WATCHES FOX NEWS.

 

The fact that people deny watching Fox News tells you all you need to know about the quality of their programming, but no for real....

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8 hours ago, RedskinsFan44 said:

What were your feelings about The Benghazi hearings and server investigation?

 

One investigation into what happened into Benghazi is justified... it’s important to learn what happened... but more than that is political games... 

 

For me, the server thing is a non issue.. I’m pretty sure it was stated that the previous administration had done similar things.  The goal with that should have been to point out “this is a security issue, let’s make sure we don’t do it in the future” because tech and email is still evolving and risks are still emerging.. instead it became a political jack off which probably took our eyes off other security threats (ie Russia).

 

throwing out the whataboutisms hard today. So hard.

 

8 hours ago, RedskinsFan44 said:

Did you feel they covered all things Clinton?

 

To death. She’s gone and they are still talking about her. It’s pathetic.

 

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1 hour ago, TryTheBeal! said:

NOBODY EVER WATCHES FOX NEWS.

 

I walked by a TV that had it on yesterday and it was like, "We don't know how much Beto supports killing babies. We're waiting for his position on pre-labor abortion." 

 

Ooooooook then. 

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17 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

 

I understand they have the legal right to do it. I don’t think it’s justified though, or particularly usefully, when it has already been investigated by mueller.

 

 

With all of the smoke pouring out of pretty much every single crevice of the Trump house you don't think it's justified to fully investigate the likely fire causing it? At the very least, Mueller's findings have pretty much confirmed to us "yep, there's a fire", even if those findings don't go as far as trying to put the fire out as Mueller likely sees that as beyond the given scope of his powers. It would then be the duty of Congress to dive deeper into the likely fire and try to find a way to at the very least stop it from spreading. 

 

The SCO and Congress are not mutually exclusive. 

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We just talked what Sea-Lioning on this board not too long ago. Some folks need to learn how to not even engage.

 

anywho

 

Trump’s strange rant about John McCain’s funeral, decoded

 

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John McCain received the fake and phony dossier. You hear about the dossier? It was paid for by Crooked Hillary Clinton. And John McCain got it. And what did he do? He didn’t call me. He turned it over to the FBI hoping to put me in jeopardy.

 

He didn't call ME. He called the FBI.

 

Bravo. 

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