TheGreatBuzz Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Larry said: Unless I'm misreading you, and your point is that you're blaming Trump's voters for the problem Yea you misread me. Was turning their own stupid tag line against them. Sorry I took some painkillers so you all may just want to ignore me today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Not sure if this is the right thread, but close enough. Also, someone needs to explain to the author that Cosa Nostra is the American mob, not a generic synonym for mafia (which is technically only the Sicilian mob. Gomorrah is Naples, and 'Ndrangheta is Calabria). A foreign mafia has come to Italy and further polarized the migration debate https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/a-foreign-mafia-has-come-to-italy-and-further-polarized-the-migration-debate/2019/06/25/377cf978-8235-11e9-b585-e36b16a531aa_story.html?utm_term=.5e3a31ffe6c3&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1 In a country that has fought for decades to weaken its homegrown mafia, a foreign crime group is gathering strength. The group’s members are Nigerian. They hold territory from the north in Turin to the south in Palermo. They smuggle drugs and traffic women, deploying them as prostitutes on Italy’s streets. They find new members among the caste of wayward migrants, illicitly recruiting at Italian government-run asylum centers. Investigators and justice officials say the Nigerian mafia, as it’s called here, has capitalized on half a decade of historic migration — a scenario merging crime and migrants in a manner that nationalist politicians in Europe and beyond have long warned about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MEANDWARF Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Another side of this: CNN Anchor: The Problem at the Border Didn’t Begin Under Trump Obama in 2014: 'Do Not Send Your Children To The Border' Anchor John King stated that the current border crisis existed before the Trump administration came into office on CNN's Inside Politics. "This particular issue is not new," King said on air. "This is an interview going back to 2014 with the then-Democratic president of the United States. There are some Democrats who come to the table and say, ‘Trump created this crisis, this is all about Trump.'" "It maybe escalated under Trump," King said, "the numbers are certainly higher under Trump. But this has been a problem the United States government has had to figure out a solution to for a very long time." He then played an excerpt from a 2014 interview with President Barack Obama where Obama addressed the issue of holding children at the border. "The problem is that under current law, once those kids come across the border, there's a system in which we're supposed to process them, take care of them, until we can send them back," Obama said in the 2014 interview. "Our message, absolutely, is don't send your children unaccompanied on trains or through a bunch of smugglers, that is our direct message to the families in Central America," Obama continued. "Do not send your children to the border. If they do make it, they'll get sent back." King pointed out that President Obama was called the "Deporter-In-Chief" by some of his Democratic opponents. But he reiterated that the border crisis is not a spontaneous creation of the Trump administration. "This issue has been unresolved, different pieces of it, for 20-plus years," King added. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Except that isn't "another side" because no one is disputing that Obama deported a lot of people. This has been well-known and covered extensively already. The child separation policy, horrendous conditions of the detention centers, and the Trump administration's cold, callous, & downright vindictive attitude and approach to the immigration issue at large is the problem. The language and tone he chooses to use has escalated a situation. It has dehumanized people who for the most part are trying to escape a desperate situation in search of some kind of hope for their children's future. They have been reduced to being labeled as "rapists & murderers" who want "free stuff" 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) Unaccompanied children. Not the ones stolen from their parents and held hostage. Also, who cares if Obama had issues with immigration too? He's not in charge now and didn't use the propaganda, language, or cruel methods that Trump and co have. Nor does any of that absolve those involved in abuses over the years no matter who they worked for. It's a good thing to shed light on the process and how these things work anyway and what people have been going through, lately and through the years. Edited June 26, 2019 by visionary 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) I assume they weren't expecting it to pass though, since a bunch of people are at the debates. Edited June 26, 2019 by visionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 20 hours ago, visionary said: Why isn’t Mexico doing more to help these families.... or the country where the fled from? Because their leaders are the incompetent or corrupt?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Just now, CousinsCowgirl84 said: Why isn’t Mexico doing more to help these families.... or the country where the fled from? Because their leaders are the incompetent or corrupt?? Lol. "Why isn't Mexico a first world country????" is a brilliant new hot take in the immigration debate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 1 minute ago, No Excuses said: Lol. "Why isn't Mexico a first world country????" is a brilliant new hot take in the immigration debate. But not as good as trying to justify a set of policies which were created for the purpose of taking kids away from their parents by posting a speech of Obama asking parents to please not send their kids without parents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEANDWARF Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 39 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: Why isn’t Mexico doing more to help these families.... or the country where the fled from? Because their leaders are the incompetent or corrupt?? There's no corruption in Central America or Mexico governments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 What about Mexico? What about Obama? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Larry said: But not as good as trying to justify a set of policies which were created for the purpose of taking kids away from their parents by posting a speech of Obama asking parents to please not send their kids without parents. They are only separating those with criminal records, gang affiliation ,questionable relation and danger to the kids. A question... The one that drowned was previously deported and if he had survived would be a felon IF asylum was not justified......should he have been kept with his kid? Just what policy do ya'll support???? add One more Those here that have been thru the legal process and ordered deported....should they be deported???? Edited June 26, 2019 by twa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 1 hour ago, TryTheBeal! said: What about Mexico? What about Obama? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism America didn’t cause the problem. Neither did Obama. The problem is with the corrupt and incompetent leadership in South America and Mexico. It is not about hypocrisy, it’s about who is responsible for these people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: America didn’t cause the problem. Neither did Obama. The problem is with the corrupt and incompetent leadership in South America and Mexico. Decades of awful US foreign policy in Latin America has consistently caused turmoil, corruption, political suppression and instability in these countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America Edited June 26, 2019 by No Excuses 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CousinsCowgirl84 Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) Anything for a vote, Beto... Trump has handled the immigration crisis just about as poorly as possible but he is still not to blame for someone choosing to illegal enter the country and attempt to swim across a river with a toddler. Edited June 26, 2019 by CousinsCowgirl84 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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No Excuses Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) All of DHS is a massive ****show right now. No one vetted, new leadership change again within three weeks. This crisis is 100% this bad because a bunch of morons are running the government. The acting director at CBP is now a guy who was given the job because he said nice things about the Most Emotionally Fragile POTUS in History on Fox News. Edited June 26, 2019 by No Excuses 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Renegade7 Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) The Bible in her hand is unnecessary. God doesn't hate people, people do. There may be Christians that are fine with this disgusting way of dealing with the southern border, but I have yet to see any of them quote scripture to justify it. That's frustrating AF. Edit: Just found Jeff Sessions making everything worse Edited June 26, 2019 by Renegade7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 4 hours ago, visionary said: Also, who cares if Obama had issues with immigration too? I realize the tactic is used to deflect, but you should absolutely care about the numerous politicians that have failed in regards to many things over the last few decades quit letting everyone else off the hook 4 hours ago, visionary said: Not the ones stolen from their parents and held hostage. Uh, according to the npr segment I heard this morning they’re not taking them from parents. They’re taking them from people who aren’t their parents, but are claiming some sort of guardianship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, tshile said: Uh, according to the npr segment I heard this morning they’re not taking them from parents. They’re taking them from people who aren’t their parents, but are claiming some sort of guardianship If you're referring to the new policy, it's an excuse that's basically used as a loophole for them to arbitrarily separate children from parents and guardians as opposed to doing the same thing a bit more blatantly and widespread before it became public knowledge. 20 minutes ago, tshile said: I realize the tactic is used to deflect, but you should absolutely care about the numerous politicians that have failed in regards to many things over the last few decades I mean in the context of taking blame away from Trump. Yes others have handled immigration badly as well and we need to do a better job of learning from mistakes and making sure things aren't repeated and those who have committed abuses or made a mess of things are punished or exposed. Edited June 27, 2019 by visionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 By the way, I was listening to a political podcast where they were talking about Democrats torn between wanting to protect people in these centers and provide resources for them and not wanting to reward Trump and others for the mess things are in or making things worse. I was thinking (and maybe this is something that's been done already, not sure) can they tie funding to increased congressional or independent supervision of facilities or making sure funds are used and detainees are treated appropriately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, visionary said: I mean in the context of taking blame away from Trump. Well yeah, don’t do that. He deserves tons of blame and thanks for the other part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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