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Dyson sphere discovered?


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A common method to search for planets orbiting stars is by the drop in light output as the planet orbits  the star into our line of sight. This cyclical drop in output is typically as small as 1% as the planet is far smaller than the star.

 

Freeman Dyson postulated many years ago that we might be able to detect advanced alien civilizations by extremely large structures they create around stars to capture their energy output. A structure that completely enclosed a star to capture all its output is known as a Dyson Sphere.

 

Astronomers have announced a star whose output drops by 20%.

 

It could be a bunch of crap in one position, but you would not expect that to be stable in a mature star.

 

Or it could be a partially constructed Dyson sphere.

 

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1509.03622v1.pdf

 

http://science.slashdot.org/story/15/10/14/1415235/mysteriously-variable-star-causes-speculation-about-dyson-sphere

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Read today that it's 1,421 lightyears away. So if it does happen to be an alien structure, it's what they had in 594 A.D.

 

Maybe its the same guys who were taking apart the Roman Coliseum at the time.  You'll notice that a good 1/3 of it was carried off somewhere, but no one knows for certain so it's only logical to conclude that this is a possibility.

 

ancient-aliens.png

 

On a more serious note, its rather ironic that, in order to construct a Dyson Sphere, it would likely take an amount of energy that only a Dyson Sphere could provide.

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Read today that it's 1,421 lightyears away. So if it does happen to be an alien structure, it's what they had in 594 A.D.

A mere blink in time for a civilization that could be many millions of years older than us. What would a human from 600 AD make of our modern technology?

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I listened to a podcast from radiolabs recently about space and it was pretty good.  One of the things that stuck with me was a guy making the point that in addition to the distances involved that lower the odds of us noticing another civilization is the fact that the tremendous time frame involved makes the odds of a civilization existing concurrently with ours pretty small.  Most earth civilizations rise and fall within a relatively short time frame so he's kind of extrapolating from that.  I choose to think in terms of the infinite monkeys on infinite typewriters sort of thing.  But it was fascinating to hear the different arguments.

 

(OT- they have one on the Carlisle Indian School football team and Pop Warner inventing forward pass too - that was excellent)

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It is an interesting topic for sure

In my uneducated opinion, it seems like a pretty significant deductive leap though. There are literally millions of possibilities here

Besides, " Dysons Sphere " feels a lot like canals on Mars. Why wouldn't a civilization like that harness fusion?

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Could be their ruins too. Could be that they had their Freeman Dyson equivalent who postulated that alien civs would look for others by these orbiting structures so they built one in a far off star/planet to fool us and they're actually at our galactic doorstep. 

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It is an interesting topic for sure

In my uneducated opinion, it seems like a pretty significant deductive leap though. There are literally millions of possibilities here

Besides, " Dysons Sphere " feels a lot like canals on Mars. Why wouldn't a civilization like that harness fusion?

They essentially are harnessing fusion. Just a much bigger fusion reactor than you could ever construct. A star. But I'm with you on the probable million other things it probably is than a Dyson Sphere.

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Could be their ruins too. Could be that they had their Freeman Dyson equivalent who postulated that alien civs would look for others by these orbiting structures so they built one in a far off star/planet to fool us and they're actually at our galactic doorstep.

Or, this could all be a ruse for that English asshole to sell more of his $700 vacuum cleaners

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They are saying that it may be a group of comets or even a broken up planet. However, they have also not ruled out a Dyson Sphere. The scientists who found it, said that aliens should always be the last possibility you consider. They are requesting additional telescope time to do some other observations. I have to admit, it would be pretty dang cool if it was. Discovering an alien race might actually bring humanity together. I freely admit, I think there are other species out there. I think that we discover that evidence sooner rather than later. Not saying we have had visitors here, just that there is other intelligent life out there. 

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I hope so. I lost mine last month and haven't been able to find it.

 

 

~Bang

 

I have two so you can borrow one of mine.

I thought the Dyson Sphere was something made up by Star Trek: The Next Generation.

 

The writers aren't that creative.

Or, this could all be a ruse for that English asshole to sell more of his $700 vacuum cleaners

 

Well no-one was buying his device to enclose a star, so he had to diversify his product line. I don't think I've seen what a Dyson sphere lists for but I'm guessing more than $700.

Why wouldn't a civilization like that harness fusion?

 

That's exactly what they are doing.  :P

 

And maybe controlled thermonuclear fusion can't work or is so complex to contain that it isn't cost effective.

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that is just what i was thinking... the energy you could get from the portions you have already constructed... but the materials/mass???

 

if you entirely broke up jupiter.. what small fraction of the total materials would you get?

Exactly. On a star like our Sun, it would have to basically be the size of Earth's orbit. Wishful thinking.

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