Which Player Woud You Select at #5?

[RedBeast]

Yeah, I want to change my Fowler selection now...I am thinking stick with Murphy and let him develop. Use the pick for the lines.

 

Willams first...or trade down and select La'el Collins or Danny Shelton. Final vote.

 

Hell its all a crap shoot anywho.

[Laron Burgundy]

In that case skinsmania123, Williams just might be there and he is a must pick. Hell I would not even want the Browns 12th and 19th pick for him, they would have to give up more. Williams on DL can be a rock for many years to come. Think JJ Watt possibilities here, you can't pass that up.

No, don't think jj watt. He's not even close to that. Williams isn't even half the pass rusher watt is, he's not an explosive athlete.

[Burgold]

Morgan Moses hasn't been a big mistake so far.

Rambo was what? a 6th rounder... Hardly a big mistake either, just a guy that didn't panned out for us.

What I fear and kind of expect is that Rambo will flourish away from Haslett and crew. After all, exactly how many years did they fail to make any progress at safety?  Safety seems to be the position almost every team can make due at except us. We couldn't find one that could tie his shoelaces. Part of that has to be coaching.

Plus, we already know that Rambo had at least one superlative game on his new team. I strongly suspect that many of our draft busts had to do with a failure in teaching, coaching, and game calling.

With all these players having major holes even by the second overall draft pick and heck... even number one has major red flags, I wonder if this is just a poor draft year for top end talent. If so, trading back... if you can is probably smartest.  Then again, there are guys I've already developed a draft crush on and if the pick is right... then woo-boy!

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Still loving the trade back with Atlanta, take Gurley at 8 with an extra top 100 pick bagged to boot idea. 

 

It just troubles me that I'm on the same wavelength as the Chelsea dude.   

 

Hail. 

[Bishop Hammer]

Dante Fowler is this years Bacarri Rambo or Morgan Moses to Redskins fans.

A player most Redskins fans want but will turn out to be a big mistake once he's drafted.

Everything about Fowler screams Orakpo 2.0. Theres a reason the first model was let go. Lets not get the carbon copy.

[DogofWar1]

Everything about Fowler screams Orakpo 2.0. Theres a reason the first model was let go. Lets not get the carbon copy.

I mean, the first model was a pretty darn good performer for 3 years there.  He then got bitten by the injury bug.  Orakpo minus injury could have 60 or so sacks by now.

 

Beasley worries me a little; going hyperbolic about it, he seems like the kind of guy who will put up good sack numbers but be an outside rushing specialist, then leave in FA because he wants the big bucks.

 

Dupree worries me the most if we trade back, there are just holes in his game.

 

Fowler is getting a bad rap because he was a jack of all trades instead of a master of pass rush.  He'll do well at this level.  Maybe not with eye popping stats, but he should be a solid individual performer.

 

No, don't think jj watt. He's not even close to that. Williams isn't even half the pass rusher watt is, he's not an explosive athlete.

 

Well, I agree Williams isn't Watt, but whether he's half or better than half depends on how much his foot was bothering him.  He was still productive and a real force against the run though.

 

Also, half of Watt's production would be 7.1 sacks/year; 7.75 tfl/year; and 4.6 passes defended/year.

 

From a 3-4 Defensive linemen, those are pretty solid numbers.  Not elite, but definitely solid.

 

Obviously I'd like Williams to be closer to 3/4ths Watt than 1/2 though.

[TeddyKGB]

I know it sounds crazy but I'd somehow want to end up with Melvin Gordon - just has that "it" factor. I know we have TreyDeuces but we also didn't draft AP because we had Portis that year and look how that turned out.

[DWinzit]

Ray probably would have been my pick two weeks ago.

 

Love Cooper but another WR isn't the answer to the offensive woes regardless of who the QB. I picked Scherff because I'm sick of having a crappy OL.

 

I really like Malcom Brown but it's probably too early for him.

 

 

 

[s0crates]

I know it sounds crazy but I'd somehow want to end up with Melvin Gordon - just has that "it" factor. I know we have TreyDeuces but we also didn't draft AP because we had Portis that year and look how that turned out.

Wait . . . at the risk of appearing ignorant, is AlMo nicknamed TreyDeuces?

Haven't heard that one.

I really like Malcom Brown but it's probably too early for him.

The comb 2.0?

[ILikeBilly]

If Williams is not on the board, and I can not make a trade out of # 5 I would be bummed, because I think my player or someone very equal will be available at 8 - 14.  But, I would stick with my pick.

 

With no trade, at # 5, the Washington Redskins pick the top OLinemen on their board!!!!!

[Birdlives]

Still loving the trade back with Atlanta, take Gurley at 8 with an extra top 100 pick bagged to boot idea. 

 

It just troubles me that I'm on the same wavelength as the Chelsea dude.   

 

Hail.

If you go trade value chart, 5 overall is worth the 1st, 3rd, and 4th.

[Laron Burgundy]

I mean, the first model was a pretty darn good performer for 3 years there. He then got bitten by the injury bug. Orakpo minus injury could have 60 or so sacks by now.

Dupree worries me the most if we trade back, there are just holes in his game.

Fowler is getting a bad rap because he was a jack of all trades instead of a master of pass rush. He'll do well at this level. Maybe not with eye popping stats, but he should be a solid individual performer.

Well, I agree Williams isn't Watt, but whether he's half or better than half depends on how much his foot was bothering him. He was still productive and a real force against the run though.

Also, half of Watt's production would be 7.1 sacks/year; 7.75 tfl/year; and 4.6 passes defended/year.

From a 3-4 Defensive linemen, those are pretty solid numbers. Not elite, but definitely solid.

Obviously I'd like Williams to be closer to 3/4ths Watt than 1/2 though.

Fine, he's 43% of watt! I wonder about the foot but he wasn't particularly explosive as a sophomore either. He's strong as heck but he's not really explosive. He is like the ideal 2 gapping 34 end, put him in TN and they would be pretty nasty, dang shame they have 2 really good 34 ends though.

[Skinarchy]

Fowler 

[carex]

Mayock's mock had us with Leonard Williams.  Looking at it though, he didn't predict any trades did he?

[RedBeast]

I want to trade mara to the NHL

[emor09]

If the first 4 picks go Winston-Mariota-Williams-Fowler, I'm going to be mad. Winston or Mariota would give us a ton of trade opportunities, and Williams or Fowler would help this team the most. 

 

So to answer the OP, Fowler. He's got a complete skill set and is still learning at age 20. After years of watching Orakpo not stop the run, I want an OLB who can stop the run and get after the QB. 

[Fat Stupid Loser]

I'd go with this kid. Unstoppable.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTN4UtdsC3c#t=14

[TheGreek1973]

No, don't think jj watt. He's not even close to that. Williams isn't even half the pass rusher watt is, he's not an explosive athlete.

It depends which Watt you are thinking of.  The one today (my grandmother would say he is the stud of studs) or the one that came our of college and we passed up to trade back?  Because honestly if Williams is there at 5 and we pass him up for a trade back we will be having the same conversation we can have right now.  yea its good to have Kerrigan, but man how awesome would be to have JJ Watt and the hell with that 3rd rounder we got.

[Veretax]

I really like the idea of Kevin white or Amari cooper if one or the other is gone and Fowler is not there.    Leonard Williams could also be a good fit as well.

 

 

But its nice for once to have NO idea who we'd take.  I haven't felt that way since we took Sean Taylor

[cakmoney61]

I really like the idea of Kevin white or Amari cooper if one or the other is gone and Fowler is not there.    Leonard Williams could also be a good fit as well.

 

 

But its nice for once to have NO idea who we'd take.  I haven't felt that way since we took Sean Taylor

 

It's nice to be in the mix with a first-round draft pick.  Not having one the last 2 years has been very frustrating.  Two words would accurately describe my state of mind the last 2 years:  envious and jealous.

 

We are back in the game...with a great GM!  Let the games begin!

[RemoveSnyder]

I "woud" select a 1st Ballot Hall-of-Famer, for sure. 

 

But that's just me. 

[LaRonDontLikeUgly]

Probably in the minority here, but it's Fowler > Williams for me all day.

[Redd]

I want Leonard Williams. That's it so please be available at 5.

[DJD2]

Probably in the minority here, but it's Fowler > Williams for me all day.

 

I've come around to this as well. Seeing Gruden's (John) latest comments only cemented it for me.

[RemoveSnyder]

Still loving the trade back with Atlanta, take Gurley at 8 with an extra top 100 pick bagged to boot idea. 

 

It just troubles me that I'm on the same wavelength as the Chelsea dude.     

 

Hail. 

 

Sunday morning is going to start with a soviet sunrise, "Blue Dawn," as bottles of Stolichnaya are popped and we party Chelski style! No need for Terry.26 to photobomb the championship, he'll be there. 

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I still like Scherff and he'd be in consideration along with Gurley at #8, for me.

 

The thing is, whoever we select for RB, I'm still lining up next year where I (personally) add one of:

James Conner or Derrick Henry ... in addition to whoever this year. 

 

Be it Gurley and Conner as the Axe and Hammer tandem, or any number of multiple variations from the handful of guys (too many to name). I actually have the 'boys taking Ajayi, but you never know.

 

Perhaps McC likes David Johnson from Northern Iowa, enough so, that he will begrudgingly allow Gurley through his fingers in the 1st. 

 

Since early on I wanted both Scherff and Gurley. I've tried so many ways to see if that could come true, but unfortunately have to choose one. 

 

My "top ten" first choice list: