CONFIRMED: Scot McCloughan has accepted offer to become Redskins GM: Per Michael Robinson, Albert Breer and Ian Rapoport

[Boss_Hogg]

CSN Redskins ‏@CSNRedskins  27s28 seconds ago

Report: McCloughan deal expected to be done soon http://ow.ly/GW0iD  #RedskinsTalk

[chipwhich]

Kinda hard to state those changes when you are looking at options outside of the organization and are unsure which options would be viable.  How much power Allen was willing to cede probably depended on the candidate.  Also, there was no guarantee that Scot or AJ would want to be here.  Really, the only thing that can be said at that time is that we are looking to improve.  Questions like committing to firing Scott Campbell and his staff was just silly.

 

In any case, I don't care what people say.  I care about what they do.

 

Nonsense.  Bruce Allen should have 1) not mentioned anything about their charity foundation 2) Said 1 simple thing.  I recognize that the current structure as is, is not working.  We will aggressively pursue candidates to correct this front office structure to include evaluating GM candidates.

 

Instead he was wishy washy and said how great their charity is, and that he didn't have too much on his plate, and silliness over his free agent signings.  Mea Culpa goes a long ways.

[drowland]

I will say this...even though I have no reason to question this extremely qualified man, I'll be a little disappointed if he just recreates his past drafts with FA acquisitions after coming here. To me, that's really not much different than what other coaches have done when they were brought to Washington. Marty did it. Spurrier did it. It would come off as a bit lazy to me (he did the work on these guys years ago and is just leveraging that work). 

 

I think one of the biggest advantages to having a good personnel guy is that he can find you talent for cheap. Our biggest issue on the field is indirectly related to the decision made off of it. The fact that we have to leverage other people finding gems and then recruit those players for their second contracts is part of what has crippled us. So, I would hope to see McCloughan continue to unearth those cheap and talented players so that we have them here overachieving on their first contract. Value, value, value is what I'm excited about. 

 

I agree.  If Mac goes out and tries to sign up a bunch of the available players he scouted and picked for other teams he's falling into the same FA trap the Skins have been in before.  With FA you're usually overpaying for the true value of the player.  His niche has been been finding value at a low cost with draft picks and UDFAs.  He needs to follow the same formula he did with other teams and be selective with FA.  

[bearrock]

The point would be to try to draft our own Iupati and Brooks not sign our way to SF east. Free agent acquisition should be judicious.

[JamesMadisonSkins]

I will also say ... scouting goes beyond college ... McCloughan should be able to find raw talent on NFL rosters and be able to give him a chance. Think Dallas Cowboys defense and 2014 FA moves. I trust that he'll be able to scout other team's scraps and bring in some pieces who could impact this roster.

The point would be to try to draft our own Iupati and Brooks not sign our way to SF east. Free agent acquisition should be judicious.

Well ... yeah ... but it takes 1-2 years to develop an OL prospect most of the time. Moses and Long are still unknown ... but I don't think we can afford to wait that long for 2015 draft picks to make an impact. Not saying we shouldn't draft an OL ... but we need to bring in a stud OG in FA, I thnk. 

[Wyndorf25]

Given Mac's evaluating talents, coupled with the teams myriad of needs, Im beginning to think that the team will trade out of the 5th pick if at all possible. Maybe trade back a few spots to 8,9,10, pick up another mid-round pick and select a lineman like OTs Scherff, Peat or Flowers. Just a hunch.

[boston skins fan]

1 thing I read that I loved forgot where though. He believes in building the lines offense and defense. I don't think bringing in a guy like iupati (a guy I liked in the draft) is a big issues especially the state of our ol as it stands now.

I love the defenses he helped build. Big mean and aggressive.

This is the right guy right now to help build this team. I only hope that 4 yrs down the line it's still the right move ad only time will tell.

[RedBeast]

the effort some people put into finding or creating negatives astounds me. I get that this team has beaten up your ego and psyche for years and you've been "tricked," "seduced," and "lured" many, many instances of fool's gold. I acknowledge that this move may fail for several reasons. It's even possible that Scot will lose his touch and his eye, but there's no need to counter every hopeful possibility by being twice as negative as you see the happiest post.

If/when this signing happens, we are getting someone with a heck of a pedigree, who stayed in scouting because he loves it that much and that teams paid for his services. By all accounts, this is a top guy and he'll be ours. You can celebrate that. You can cheer that. You can even do so while voicing caution.

But it's one thing to rain on everyone's parade and another thing to dynamite it.

Right (write?) on man!

[boston skins fan]

Given Mac's evaluating talents, coupled with the teams myriad of needs, Im beginning to think that the team will trade out of the 5th pick if at all possible. Maybe trade back a few spots to 8,9,10, pick up another mid-round pick and select a lineman like OTs Scherff, Peat or Flowers. Just a hunch.

I was thinking this last night even down to 15 I think one of those guys are still available and might increase return with another pick maybe even a 1st next yr.

[Riggo-toni]

Here's what a functional scouting dept looks like. Compare the size of the Pats scouting office to the skeleton crew of lightweights we've endured over the years:

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=bostonnew-england-patriots&id=4720722&city=boston&src=desktop

[boston skins fan]

Here's what a functional scouting dept looks like. Compare the size of the Pats scouting office to the skeleton crew of lightweights we've endured over the years:

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=bostonnew-england-patriots&id=4720722&city=boston&src=desktop

Can someone enlighten me as to what our dept looks like?

[Rocky21]

1 thing I read that I loved forgot where though. He believes in building the lines offense and defense.

Oh Thank God.  That is the foundation of every successful football team. 

[JamesMadisonSkins]

Yeah, unless Leonard Williams falls into our laps at #5 (he won't) ... I think that #5 pick is parlayed into multiple picks this year and possibly next year. Look out for Cleveland (#12, #19 in the 1st) who need a WR (Cooper) ... Rams (#10) who migh want Winston if he falls ... Atlanta (#8) who might want a shot at Gregory ... etc. etc.

Basically, turn that #5 into a 15-20 overall pick and get a 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, etc. Whatever you can. Give this man multiple mid-rounders. 

 

For those screaming OL, it seems like perception is there aren't any sure-fire Top 10, let alone Top 5 OL talent in this draft. I'm not for reaching for "need" and I'm not for drafting an OLB or QB (likely BPA) so let's move down. Hopefully we have some trade partners willing to move up

[Isifhan]

Here's what a functional scouting dept looks like. Compare the size of the Pats scouting office to the skeleton crew of lightweights we've endured over the years:

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=bostonnew-england-patriots&id=4720722&city=boston&src=desktop

yep, that's what I was saying in posts earlier this year.  The Redskins scouting structure, just compared to the division is god awful.  We have half the number of scouts and assistants and an overload of exec positions it would seem.  Hopefully Mac can boost our scouting department as one of the first things he does. 

[boston skins fan]

Yeah, unless Leonard Williams falls into our laps at #5 (he won't) ... I think that #5 pick is parlayed into multiple picks this year and possibly next year. Look out for Cleveland (#12, #19 in the 1st) who need a WR (Cooper) ... Rams (#10) who migh want Winston if he falls ... Atlanta (#8) who might want a shot at Gregory ... etc. etc.

Basically, turn that #5 into a 15-20 overall pick and get a 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, etc. Whatever you can. Give this man multiple mid-rounders.

Best case is cooper falls and a team pulls a trade like atLanta or buf did for Jones and Watkins

[kiingspadee]

Yeah, unless Leonard Williams falls into our laps at #5 (he won't) ... I think that #5 pick is parlayed into multiple picks this year and possibly next year. Look out for Cleveland (#12, #19 in the 1st) who need a WR (Cooper) ... Rams (#10) who migh want Winston if he falls ... Atlanta (#8) who might want a shot at Gregory ... etc. etc.

Basically, turn that #5 into a 15-20 overall pick and get a 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, etc. Whatever you can. Give this man multiple mid-rounders. 

 

For those screaming OL, it seems like perception is there aren't any sure-fire Top 10, let alone Top 5 OL talent in this draft. I'm not for reaching for "need" and I'm not for drafting an OLB or QB (likely BPA) so let's move down. Hopefully we have some trade partners willing to move up

Furthermore, I don't think you spend a top 5 pick on a RT. A LT yes, RT no

[repo_4]

I think he's making a point, not being racist.  And his second sentence is an extreme satire to highlight how John Q. Owner might look at the rule.  And the point he makes is a good one.  I've always felt like it would suck to know that someone brought you in solely because they have to due to the color of your skin, not necessarily because they actually are considering you. 

Gotcha. I must have just misinterpreted his intent with the statement. My apologies.

 

But yeah, I agree. If I'm a black candidate that is being asked to interview knowing they have already settled on someone else I'm telling them to pound sand.

[Jericho]

 

However, the results still dictate if something was good or bad, right? I mean, if John Riggins is stuffed on 4th-and-1 in Super Bowl XVII, the Dolphins march down the short field for a score, and we lose history would remember that as a bad decision. Conversely, if Rocket Screen the following year goes for a TD and we pour it on in the second half, Gibbs did the right thing. 

 

 

 

I'm more of a process over outcome person. You can get good results from bad decisions and visa versa. But I'd rather people make the right decisions and fail than to occasionally luck into a good result.

 

For example. You take your entire life savings down to the casino and lay in all on number 21 on the roulette wheel. This is bad decision. There is a small chance you win. But the simple odds tell you its a monumentally stupid move. And if by some miracle you win the bet, it still didn't make it the right move. It was a lucky move.

 

Time will tell if this is the "right" move. There are legit reasons to be optimistic about the move. But whether it actually works remains to be seen.

[CaliSkinsFan92]

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer

On Scot McCloughan, expect to see a 4-year deal done with Skins this morning. Plan is for him to fly to DC by Friday morning.

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/552838801283108865

 

The way people were talking yesterday I thought he was already in DC lol

[CovingtonCommander]

I have been a Skins fan for 19 seasons now with next season being lucky number 20. This is easily the biggest hire over that time. Only when Coach Joe Gibbs came back have I felt this excited.

 

I actually thought I would have to out live Dan Snyder to see this team hire a GM with a pulse and actually give him control over the player decisions.

 

I give credit to Snyder and Allen for actually putting us in position to compete for a Super Bowl Title in these next 4 years.

 

Win or lose at least we have a chance to actually be a normal franchise.

 

HTTR.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

So, from what I've read, this guy is a genius who was basically asked by two franchises run by people who love him to leave. That sounds perfect for Snyder's weird back-biting world at Redskins Park.

 

My prediction: He leaves under ugly circumstances in three years, but not before drafting two future Pro Bowlers in the late round. How that all balances out will be the key, I guess.

[Wrong Direction]

I have cautious optimism.

 

The alcohol issue is a problem. If you know alcoholics, you know people who either have a daily dependence on alcohol and/or people who turn into monsters on alcohol (frequently binge drinkers). Just guessing, but he may be the latter. He will need to be responsible, and I’m guessing Dan is building protections into the contract.

 

From a personnel perspective, I take it on faith that he’s a qualified scout who has been around very successful front offices. That’s a heck of a resume for a 43 year old. So it makes great sense to promote him to run things.

 

So what’s next? After the contract, he has a lot of hard work to do.

 

·         Build a functional scouting department. His experience and contacts should help here. I’m guessing he’ll make some immediate changes and more over the next 12-18 months, hopefully with a fresh scouting perspective.
 

·         Establish a re-build plan. Is the priority 2015 or more into the future? I hope his priority is to build the talent base for the future more than anything else. Trent Murphy and Cory Lichtensteiger should have no bearing on our draft.
 

·         Re: the above, does he have the authority to implement a vision rather than a rolling next-year rebuild? If so, guys like DJax and Garcon might be gone sooner than later.
 

·         What does he do with the coaches? Gruden may be happy because of family connections, but I want a GM who knows what he wants from coaches and leans on them to produce. It’s more than wins and losses. It’s day-to-day operations, attention to detail, oversight of positional coaching and individual player development. A GM should do more than identify magical coaches. He should know what he wants and hold them accountable to produce.
 

·         This guy could have a great effect on this org. Nothing’s guaranteed though. He has to hold up personally and he needs to implement his own plan in a way that’s conducive to winning in DC. Not the easiest of jobs.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Again, probably belongs over in the FA thread but here are some players of need that have ties to McCloughan drafts:

OG Mike Iupati, San Francisco - 27 years old

OG James Carpenter, Seattle - 25 years old

CB Byron Maxwell, Seattle - 26 years old

CB Walter Thurmond, New York Giants - 27 years old

SS Juron Johnson, Seattle - 26 years old

OLB Ahmed Brooks, San Francisco - 30 years old

DE Ray McDonald, San Francisco - 30 years old

OG Clint Boling, Cincinatti - 25 years old (*Gruden guy, but included)

Not that I expect us to go sign all these guys ... but they should all be considered targets. Brooks is likely a cap casualty in San Fran, but not a FA right now. Brooks would more or less just be a guy we could target for a 2-3 year deal to let Trent learn under and prevent us (in my own mind) from drafting OLB again in the 5 slot. If I had to predict, I would expect Maxwell, Johnson, and either Carpenter/Iupati are in B&G next year. None would terribly expensive.

Nice research but IF we are now FINALLY doing this the right way and setting about building a perennial challenging team then scrap any FA's over 27/28.

We aren't contending for anything in 2015 with the current ****tip of a roster and Coaching staff so you set about building for the long haul with quality young guys. The FA age limit right now be 26. 27 max in exceptional guys cases. THEN when the roster is formed down the line can you augment with quality vets as and when needed to take you over the edge.

Cautiously optimistic on the impending hire. LOVE that we're FINALLY realising the need for change. LOVE the hire. HATE Allen is still here in ANY capacity. Though not surprised.

I need to see just what autonomy the new GM has over the football side and just what the ACTUAL structure is we are now putting in place before I fully start screaming in joy from the roof tops.

Cautiously optimistic that finally we are setting out on the right road again.

Hail.

[gortiz]

So, from what I've read, this guy is a genius who was basically asked by two franchises run by people who love him to leave. That sounds perfect for Snyder's weird back-biting world at Redskins Park.

 

My prediction: He leaves under ugly circumstances in three years, but not before drafting two future Pro Bowlers in the late round. How that all balances out will be the key, I guess.

 

 this isn't apples to apples, but a Michigan fan could be saying right now ... so we just gave a monster contract to a guy who not only was let go for all intent in purposes by his former team, but also could not get along with players and management allegedly. 

 

The way I see it, and I admit, this is probably pretty naive, but ... 

 

San Fran is a joke, so them letting him go means nothing to me.  As far as Seattle, I was under the impression he left on his own accord because he was hitting the hard stuff. 

 

As for him leaving in three years in a messy divorce, would anyone be surprised at that? Not me ... 

[bearrock]

I think the big picture question isn't whether McCloughan is going to work out.  The question is has Dan Snyder finally realized that the only way to run a competent organization is to hire a personnel-based GM with final say of all personnel decisions and invest heavily into the scouting department.  If Snyder realized that and this move is his attempt to carry out that realization, it really doesn't matter if McCloughan fails as long as Snyder realizes that McCloughan's failure does not mean the underlying realization was wrong.  We'll just keep trying until we hit on the right GM.  

 

If, however, this is some marketing scheme to woo back the fans (and let's face it, I'm sure Snyder knew and this type of GM move was the best shot at turning the tide of public hostility and apathy), then yeah, the franchise is screwed.  I'm hoping that it's scenario 1, but I don't think we'll really know for a while.