Capsman Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 If you could redo the 2011 draft do you take Kerrigan again or Robert Quinn? Do you try to fit Quinn into a 3-4? The guy is awfully dominant and would help one of our perennially worst facets; pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Speaking of Kerrigan, dudes been awfully quiet the last few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuposse87 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 I like Kerrigan's all around game, but he disappears a lot in the flow of the game. I think Haslett isn't utilizing the personnel the best way, but Quinn is an absolute monster. I'd take him in a heartbeat over anyone on our defense. He's also 2 years younger then Kerrigan, he probably has more untapped potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 We were targeting Quinn but the Rams took him before we could pick so at that pick we didn't even have the option of taking Quinn. We traded down from 10th pick. I would still choose to trade down and have extra picks and Kerrigan over taking Quinn 10th overall. Kerrigan isn't the problem on defense, he's one of the bright spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Tomb Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 I would take Ryan Kerrigan over him any day of the week - RK is a play maker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonJ83 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 I love Kerrigan but I think he would look a lot better with a different scheme. Plus Quinn was a Tarheel, so he's a winner in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 It's the '09 draft you need to ask this question on and just who we passed on for Orakpo.  Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 I still like Kerrigan. Quinn has a better coach in St. Louis. Kerrigan would be a lot better in a 4-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 I like Kerrigan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Quinn went two picks ahead of us, so I'm not sure the point of this. It seems like asking if people regret us not taking Andrew Luck instead of Griffin. Â If you mean that we should have stayed put at 10, then JJ Watt is the obvious choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 It's the '09 draft you need to ask this question on and just who we passed on for Orakpo. Hail. Right. Thats one player that really lacked "conversation" about on here. Give it a rest already. Goodness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJD2 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 It's the '09 draft you need to ask this question on and just who we passed on for Orakpo.  Hail.  LOL. Isn't there a thread already on here somewhere talking about Orakpo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Quinn went two picks ahead of us, so I'm not sure the point of this. It seems like asking if people regret us not taking Andrew Luck instead of Griffin. Â If you mean that we should have stayed put at 10, then JJ Watt is the obvious choice. Â Â Are you sure JJ Watt is the obvious choice? Not sure how you can say that when he has one of the best D Coordinators in football and we have haslett who has shown to be inept. I supported this guy the first few years but his time is up IMO. Â With better coaching and a better overall team there is no telling how good kerrigan could be. I have said since the beginning Orakpo is barely average. he had one good year and that's it. As far as Kerrigan disappearing in games, it could be because all the double and triple teams are going his way since no one else on the team accept maybe Jackson scares anyone. Â Anyway, this is a moot point. Quinn was gone at 16. The only comparison you can draw is not Quinn to Kerrigan but Quinn to Kerrigan plus all the extra draft picks we got like the one we used to Pick Roy Helu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Are you sure JJ Watt is the obvious choice? Not sure how you can say that when he has one of the best D Coordinators in football and we have haslett who has shown to be inept. I supported this guy the first few years but his time is up IMO. Â With better coaching and a better overall team there is no telling how good kerrigan could be. I have said since the beginning Orakpo is barely average. he had one good year and that's it. As far as Kerrigan disappearing in games, it could be because all the double and triple teams are going his way since no one else on the team accept maybe Jackson scares anyone. Â Anyway, this is a moot point. Quinn was gone at 16. The only comparison you can draw is not Quinn to Kerrigan but Quinn to Kerrigan plus all the extra draft picks we got like the one we used to Pick Roy Helu. Yes, it's obvious. Watt is a better player than Quinn or Kerrigan and it's not really close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 It's the '09 draft you need to ask this question on and just who we passed on for Orakpo.  Hail.   This is the right conversation. Some of the names available: Jeremy Maclin - Percy Harvin - Micheal Oher - Vontae Davis - Clay Matthews - Donald Brown - Hakeem Nicks  Over 18% of raks total sacks have come in 2 games against Oakland. He finished the last 2 seasons on IR for the same injury. Finally, from what I see, Rob Jackson is a much better all around player the Orakpo. Rak might be stronger, but he is one dimensional and in the end just plain does not produce.  Just think if we had Trent Williams on the LT and Micheal Oher at RT (a much better position for him despite the movie). Talk about book ends!! How about Clay Matthews across from Kerrigan???? Vontae Davis has not played too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Yes, it's obvious. Watt is a better player than Quinn or Kerrigan and it's not really close.   No it's not obvious considering they are on different teams with different support and a different coaching. Saying it's not really close is not realistic either. That would saying Kerrigan is a bust. Is that what you are saying? Both are good players. Watt may be a little better, but he went 11th not 16th. But to say its not really close?? That's a huge exaggeration.  They put Watt in much better situations to succeed with much better players around him and a much better DC! Switch places and see what happens. BTW: Ask people in Houston, Watt tends to disappear in big games. How about last years playoffs? in 2 games 1.5 sacks? 9 tackles?  Not exactly pro-bowl stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 No it's not obvious considering they are on different teams with different support and a different coaching. Saying it's not really close is not realistic either. That would saying Kerrigan is a bust. Is that what you are saying? Both are good players. Watt may be a little better, but he went 11th not 16th. But to say its not really close?? That's a huge exaggeration.  They put Watt in much better situations to succeed with much better players around him and a much better DC! Switch places and see what happens. BTW: Ask people in Houston, Watt tends to disappear in big games. How about last years playoffs? in 2 games 1.5 sacks? 9 tackles?  Not exactly pro-bowl stuff. So many ridiculous things in one post....  -Never said Kerrigan was a bust . That's a straw man and pure nonsense. -Watt draws constant double teams. The scheme or talent around him has nothing to do with his production. Look at the talent on that front 7, it's really mediocre once Cushing goes down as he has two years in a row. -Watt's better because of his Coordinator? That's beyond silly. -Watt's the Defensive Player of the Year, Kerrigan made the Pro Bowl after others had to drop out. No, it is not close. -Watt's a choker because he had "only 1.5 sacks in 2 playoff games? You can not be serious. He has 5 sacks in 4 career playoff games, btw. Kerrigan had 4 tackles, no sacks, no TFL in his one playoff game for the record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drowland Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 You can add Phil Taylor, Muhammad Wilkerson, Cameron Jordan and Corey Liuget to the conversation as well. Â I like Kerrigan, but our DL stinks and one of those four guys would be huge upgrade over what we have. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakinaiken Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Never quite understood the love affair with Kerrigan. He's extremely mediocre in all facets of the game. I don't feel like D-coordinaotrs "game plan" for him like they do for Orakpo- at least from what we've heard with Haslett mentioning in press conferences that Brian is chipped quite frequently. That right there says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 to be quite frank, I'm sick of looking at our bad players and wishing for what we might have had in that position, so that should really say what I feel about our looking at our good players and doing the same. Â We need a thumbs down option for posts here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 This forum really hurts my head. Our fan base turns on pretty much all of our players when things get bad, but when things are good we sing their praises. Â It's a what have you done for me lately world. Â Orakpo, Griffin, and now Kerrigan. Â Losing sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Never quite understood the love affair with Kerrigan. He's extremely mediocre in all facets of the game. I don't feel like D-coordinaotrs "game plan" for him like they do for Orakpo- at least from what we've heard with Haslett mentioning in press conferences that Brian is chipped quite frequently. That right there says it all. ....  ....  ....really dude? All he does is make plays.  This post is nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bantu Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Kerrigan is a good player, but not great. He's like a "B-" player at best. He never lines up against LT's and he has only a so-so bull rush as his best pass rush move. He does force turnovers, however, and that cannot be overlooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Tomb Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 This forum really hurts my head. Our fan base turns on pretty much all of our players when things get bad, but when things are good we sing their praises.  It's a what have you done for me lately world.  Orakpo, Griffin, and now Kerrigan.  Losing sucks. So true, KDawg - the top two posts the last few days: Keep Shanahan and Fire Everyone Please Danny!  This board cracks me up sometimes - it's no wonder why I stay away from this board for a while after a loss. Too many people on the ledge. Go get some fresh air... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I don't regret the kerrigan pick anymore then I regret the orakpo pick. At the time, picking Orakpo was a no-brainer, it just didn't work. And let's face it, Kerrigan's production in the sack department can be directly attributed to his bookend not getting it done either. Having said that, dude does need to be more productive anyway, but the only guy on the roster with more pick-6 plays the last couple years then him is DHall, and he's a corner back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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