Bozo the kKklown Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 If he wants to come, Lakers should not do what they did with Kareem in the 70s or what Melo did with the Knicks. Just wait until he a free agent. Meanwhile, they have to get out of the Mozgov and Deng contracts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SkinInsite Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Cavs get a one year rental with George for round 4 with the warriors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Cleveland won't get George without giving up Kevin Love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 23 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Cleveland won't get George without giving up Kevin Love. And there is no way Indy takes on Kevin Love in a swap for Paul George. Cleveland is strapped for assets. Hypothetically, could this happen? A George for Kyrie trade? Then CP3 takes a massive pay cut to play in Cleveland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 CP3 is taking no paycut. I don't think Cleveland has the assets. If I'm the Lakers, I make no moves except for dumping Deng and Mozgov somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 16 minutes ago, RonArtest15 said: And there is no way Indy takes on Kevin Love in a swap for Paul George. Cleveland is strapped for assets. Hypothetically, could this happen? A George for Kyrie trade? Then CP3 takes a massive pay cut to play in Cleveland? The 1:1 George for Kyrie trade is possible, but signing CP3 is not. Cleveland is over the apron, they couldn't even sign Paul for the MLE (which he would never sign for). The only exception they'd have to use is a min contract and CP3 is not signing for a min contract. Cleveland is done. The only moves they can make are lateral moves like swapping Irving and Love for different stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 1 hour ago, RonArtest15 said: And there is no way Indy takes on Kevin Love in a swap for Paul George. Cleveland is strapped for assets. Hypothetically, could this happen? A George for Kyrie trade? Then CP3 takes a massive pay cut to play in Cleveland? Kevin Love for PG sounds like a great deal for Indy. Teams rarely get a star in return for one they are forced to trade. Consider the collection of nothing the Nuggets got for Melo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 13 minutes ago, Destino said: Kevin Love for PG sounds like a great deal for Indy. Teams rarely get a star in return for one they are forced to trade. Consider the collection of nothing the Nuggets got for Melo. It's certainly better than having him walk next summer for nothing. The best deal for them would have been trading George to Boston at the deadline for their right to pick swap with Brooklyn. If they'd done that they could have rebuilt around Fultz and Turner. That ain't bad. But that ship has sailed. The ideal outcome for Indy is moving George for a young foundation piece to pair with Turner. Turner is a unicorn. A shotblocking 7 foot shooter. But he was never going to develop fast enough to make it work with George before his free agency. They've got about a year to find a second guy whose in Turner's window or else they're going to end up with the same issue with him as they have with George now in four or five years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 20 minutes ago, Destino said: Kevin Love for PG sounds like a great deal for Indy. Teams rarely get a star in return for one they are forced to trade. Consider the collection of nothing the Nuggets got for Melo. If I'm Indy, the Cavs are giving me more than just Love. If the Cavs really want PG, they'll throw in some draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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justice98 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 31 minutes ago, Destino said: Kevin Love for PG sounds like a great deal for Indy. Teams rarely get a star in return for one they are forced to trade. Consider the collection of nothing the Nuggets got for Melo. I think I would take a package of #1s over Love. 13 hours ago, SkinInsite said: Cavs get a one year rental with George for round 4 with the warriors. CLE is playing it year to year at this point until LeBron hangs it up or leaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 21 minutes ago, DM72 said: If I'm Indy, the Cavs are giving me more than just Love. If the Cavs really want PG, they'll throw in some draft picks. I don't think they have any draft picks. 8 minutes ago, justice98 said: I think I would take a package of #1s over Love. Depends on how late those picks are gonna be. I would absolutely rather have Love than picks outside the lottery. But if I could get a high lottery pick this year and some future firsts, then I would probably take that instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said: The 1:1 George for Kyrie trade is possible, but signing CP3 is not. Cleveland is over the apron, they couldn't even sign Paul for the MLE (which he would never sign for). The only exception they'd have to use is a min contract and CP3 is not signing for a min contract. Cleveland is done. The only moves they can make are lateral moves like swapping Irving and Love for different stars. I think Chris Paul is the wildcard in this whole situation. He's part of that banana boat crew (James, Wade, and Melo) and it's no secret that he's tight with Lebron. Him going to SA makes no sense to me. Yes, the situation would be much better than what he has in LA, but let's be real....there is no team in the West that will get past the Warriors over the next 4-5 seasons if they keep their health. Even with the Warriors losing one of the big-4, they are still the odds on favorites to get to the Finals. In the East, the path to the Finals is much easier if he can find a way to get to Cleveland. You might be right about there being little to no chance of him being a Cav, but who knows? 2 hours ago, Destino said: Kevin Love for PG sounds like a great deal for Indy. Teams rarely get a star in return for one they are forced to trade. Consider the collection of nothing the Nuggets got for Melo. Its just not an even deal, IMO. I think Love is a very good complimentary player, but George is arguably a top-10 player in the league right now. I guess the deal could happen if Cleveland is OK with giving up multiple 1st round picks, but those picks will be late as long as Lebron is on the roster. Would Indy be OK with that? If I'm the Pacers, I'm looking to re-tool with younger players. This is why I'd be much more inclined to do a deal if it was a George/Kyrie swap, or look elsewhere, like the Lakers who have a ton of young assets and first round picks that will most likely be lottery. However, like @BenningRoadSkin said, gotta look at how the KNicks screwed themselves when going after Melo. For as painful as it's going to be for Indy to give up George, they're in a good position because there will be some team out there who will meet their demands. Edited June 19, 2017 by RonArtest15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 If you trade Kyrie for Paul George, did you get that much better? Maybe from a size perspective but is it a better team? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 2 hours ago, BRAVEONAWARPATH said: Two first round picks and a starter? That sounds like something right down Ernie's alley. He hates draft picks, can't get rid of them fast enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 The Celtics actually got too successful for their own rebuild. The move for a true rebuild is to jettison Thomas and go with Fultz since they do a lot of the same things. But Thomas is only 28 and an All Star. I don't love the trade, because Fultz could be really special. But ultimately, aren't you hoping that in 5 years Fultz is what Thomas is now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 21 minutes ago, Lombardi's_kid_brother said: The Celtics actually got too successful for their own rebuild. The move for a true rebuild is to jettison Thomas and go with Fultz since they do a lot of the same things. But Thomas is only 28 and an All Star. I don't love the trade, because Fultz could be really special. But ultimately, aren't you hoping that in 5 years Fultz is what Thomas is now? That seems like a pessimistic projection of Fultz's ceiling. That kid could end up being something between Wade and Harden. Especially playing for that coach. I think people overrate Thomas based on him being such an effective scorer in Stevens' system. But he is really limited. He can't see the floor at his size and has trouble running drive and kicks and PnRs plus he is the worst defensive player in the league. People have a ton of respect for Danny Ainge, and he deserves credit for pantsing Billy King and whoever in LA agreed to the absurd Doc Rivers trade. But I feel like people are missing how badly he's botched the last two offseasons by trying to sit the fence of winning now and rebuilding. The Horford contract was a mistake. And lets take a look at what he's done with all of those draft assets: 2014: had a high pick after going into a minitank and got the first of their Brooklyn picks, which fell just outside the lottery. Came away with Marcus Smart and James Young 2015: their pick fell just outside the lottery plus they had another late first from the Doc Rivers trade. Came away with Terry Rozier and RJ Hunter 2016: got the #3 overall pick from Brooklyn, came away with Jaylen Brown. 2017: got the e#1 overall pick from Brooklyn, traded it and will probably take Josh Jackson 2018: probably going to get another top three pick from Brooklyn. Getting a #3, #1, #3 in a three year span is a GOLDEN opportunity to rebuild, not to mention all of the other picks they've had in that five year span. To have all of that and come away with two busts, a back up PG, and what will probably be three role playing wings who can't shoot is ****ing horrible drafting and team building, plain and simple. Just for sake of comparison, notoriously ****ty drafter Ernie Grunfeld got a #1, #6, #3, and #3 overall pick in a four year window and came away with John Wall, Jan Vesely, Brad Beal, and Otto Porter. Imagine if Brad Stevens had Wall, Beal, and Porter to work with. Plus cap space and depth. Ainge low key sucks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 14 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: That seems like a pessimistic projection of Fultz's ceiling. That kid could end up being something between Wade and Harden. Especially playing for that coach. I think people overrate Thomas based on him being such an effective scorer in Stevens' system. But he is really limited. He can't see the floor at his size and has trouble running drive and kicks and PnRs plus he is the worst defensive player in the league. People have a ton of respect for Danny Ainge, and he deserves credit for pantsing Billy King and whoever in LA agreed to the absurd Doc Rivers trade. But I feel like people are missing how badly he's botched the last two offseasons by trying to sit the fence of winning now and rebuilding. The Horford contract was a mistake. And lets take a look at what he's done with all of those draft assets: 2014: had a high pick after going into a minitank and got the first of their Brooklyn picks, which fell just outside the lottery. Came away with Marcus Smart and James Young 2015: their pick fell just outside the lottery plus they had another late first from the Doc Rivers trade. Came away with Terry Rozier and RJ Hunter 2016: got the #3 overall pick from Brooklyn, came away with Jaylen Brown. 2017: got the e#1 overall pick from Brooklyn, traded it and will probably take Josh Jackson 2018: probably going to get another top three pick from Brooklyn. Getting a #3, #1, #3 in a three year span is a GOLDEN opportunity to rebuild, not to mention all of the other picks they've had in that five year span. To have all of that and come away with two busts, a back up PG, and what will probably be three role playing wings who can't shoot is ****ing horrible drafting and team building, plain and simple. Just for sake of comparison, notoriously ****ty drafter Ernie Grunfeld got a #1, #6, #3, and #3 overall pick in a four year window and came away with John Wall, Jan Vesely, Brad Beal, and Otto Porter. Imagine if Brad Stevens had Wall, Beal, and Porter to work with. Plus cap space and depth. Ainge low key sucks. you are right Check his draft history too. Its not good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Ainge is good at acquiring/dealing assets but his actual utilization of draft picks for college kids is bad. That's why I think the Celtics would be better off trading the pick for a proven star and then signing another star with their cap space. Basically a repeat of what they did in 08 acquiring KG and Allen. That got them two Finals births and a ring. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Lombardi's_kid_brother said: The Celtics actually got too successful for their own rebuild. The move for a true rebuild is to jettison Thomas and go with Fultz since they do a lot of the same things. But Thomas is only 28 and an All Star. I don't love the trade, because Fultz could be really special. But ultimately, aren't you hoping that in 5 years Fultz is what Thomas is now? Thats what i was saying, minus that last bit about Fultz potential by comparison. I Don't really get what the Celtics are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 21 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: you are right Check his draft history too. Its not good. All I can say is that Josh Jackson better be the next Kawhi and not the next MKG. But it sure feels like what makes Kawhi special is between his ears and was really difficult to see coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Just now, stevemcqueen1 said: All I can say is that Josh Jackson better be the next Kawhi and not the next MKG. But it sure feels like what makes Kawhi special is between his ears and was really difficult to see coming. that and Chip Engelland 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TradeTheBeal! Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) If Chicago is looking to clean house, I wouldn't mind DWade coming off the Wizards bench this year. Edited June 19, 2017 by TryTheBeal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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