EvilMonkeyBoy Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 According Steinberg, even the guys who willing dressed up like pig women were smart enough to preserve their dignity and not walk into that beartrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 According Steinberg, even the guys who willing dressed up like pig women were smart enough to preserve their dignity and not walk into that beartrap. I want to see Stewart have pro-name Native Americans on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkeyBoy Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I want to see Stewart have pro-name Native Americans on. Why are you asking for something that will never happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Why are you asking for something that will never happen? Its an interesting question. Why won't anyone address Natives who like the name... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Its an interesting question. Why won't anyone address Natives who like the name... It won't support the narrative that they are trying to tell. I really like the Daily Show but there is only one way they could possibly take on the Redskins name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Now I can't stand when people call the team "the burgundy and gold" because it's a way for the tools to get around calling them the real name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 It won't support the narrative that they are trying to tell. I really like the Daily Show but there is only one way they could possibly take on the Redskins name. Cooley should bring this up next time he's on ESPN... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Evidente Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Now I can't stand when people call the team "the burgundy and gold" because it's a way for the tools to get around calling them the real name Yeah like that chick (not Donaldson) in CSN Sportsnet Central. She refers to the team as "burgundy and gold." They need to fire her ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 During the USPTO hearings the plaintiffs produced a list of 24 or 25 tribes condemning the name. There are 566 Federally registered tribes... http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11102096/us-patent-office-cancels-washington-redskins-trademark found it. in 2006, there were 5 native americans representing 4 tribes who brought the case.......... "Five Native Americans, representing four tribes, brought the case against the league in 2006." ""Petitioners have found a preponderance of evidence that a substantial amount of Native Americans found the term Redskins to be disparaging when used in connection with professional football," how is 'substantial' defined? and what is the evidence? interesting stuff, there. funny- look at the comments section (about which i generally say "do NOT look!"). look at the comments and responses to a fella named "josh cook". dude gets schooled. after giving out the usual BS arguments. he gives up. didnt see one single comment in support of his false arguments. very encouraging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkeyBoy Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Cooley should bring this up next time he's on ESPN... Why, what does ESPN have to do with the daily show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 The last time someone put a pro name Native American Chief on tv, he turned out to be neither Native American nor a Chief. I fully expect the next pro-name Native American on tv to be named Chief Hershel Bernstein, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Why, what does ESPN have to do with the daily show? It doesn't. But Cooley has been the most articulate and vocal defender of the name. I love when he clowns fools on ESPN. I'd love to see one of those idiot name-changers fumble over that one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Wow, DS likes to tout being balanced, or at least not too slanted unlike Fox, yet they are majorly slanted on this issue. No NA fans interviewed, and they use a surprise attack after lying to team fans and bring in activists and an extremist like Harjo, none of whom represent the majority, likely to try and push the idea that they do represent the majority. Way to sell the liberal agenda Jon. I suggest people flood their twitter page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFKFedEx Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 The last time someone put a pro name Native American Chief on tv, he turned out to be neither Native American nor a Chief. But he was a Philthy Iggle phan. He let it be known when Larry asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Wow, DS likes to tout being balanced, or at least not too slanted unlike Fox, yet they are majorly slanted on this issue. No NA fans interviewed, and they use a surprise attack after lying to team fans and bring in activists and an extremist like Harjo, none of whom represent the majority, likely to try and push the idea that they do represent the majority. Way to sell the liberal agenda Jon. I suggest people flood their twitter page I mean the episode hasn't aired yet, so we don't know which way the producers will spin it. I'd love for them to just clown the whole thing about how stupid it is, but when you have conservative douchenozzles backing our side I can guess it won't be spun that way. We will find out soon enough and hopefully they don't hit us too hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Its a chance to humiliate a billionaire. Anyone really think its not going to be brutal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I mean the episode hasn't aired yet, so we don't know which way the producers will spin it. I'd love for them to just clown the whole thing about how stupid it is, but when you have conservative douchenozzles backing our side I can guess it won't be spun that way. We will find out soon enough and hopefully they don't hit us too hard. It's going to go like every other Jason Jones bit. Redskins fans will say their piece while Jason Jones is subtly mocking them, then the NA activists will come in and they'll show Redskins fans all shocked and the whole idea pushed forth will back the liberal agenda that the name is blatantly racist and those supporting it are idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 If you've read my posts you know I'm sympathetic to those wanting to change the name and personally on the fence. Truth is I don't really value a team name all that much, for me it's about it being my home town team. I have a major problem with the dishonest way Native Americans pushing for the change try get around the fact that they are a slim minority of their own race/culture. They refuse to directly respond, sometimes claim they aren't vastly out numbered, and it looks like the daily show set them up to out number their more numerous counter parts which further pushes the theme. They are just going to pretend it isn't what it is. Simply saying **** and acting like others simply have to accept obvious bull**** as truth annoys the hell out of me. In addition to the numbers issue they refuse to acknowledge the actual origin of the word or provide any researched and factual defense of their version. At some point that too becomes essentially another lie. There is too much dishonesty from that side of the debate for my liking and it's making it harder to sympathize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Yeah m with you Des, 100%. Same opinion here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I have a major problem with the dishonest way Native Americans pushing for the change try get around the fact that they are a slim majority of their own race/culture. ..... Very confusing. Not sure you are being dishonest yourself here or typed this up wrong. Last reported number I've heard is that only tiny minority within the Native American community oppose the name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Very confusing. Not sure you are being dishonest yourself here or typed this up wrong. Last reported number I've heard is that only tiny minority within the Native American community oppose the name. I assume he meant to type "a slim minority" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I assume he meant to type "a slim minority" You are correct. Thanks larry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 That's the thing that drives me batty. People seem to think the name changers are the majority--especially among the Native community. There is just so much misinformation out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 If you've read my posts you know I'm sympathetic to those wanting to change the name and personally on the fence. Truth is I don't really value a team name all that much, for me it's about it being my home town team. I have a major problem with the dishonest way Native Americans pushing for the change try get around the fact that they are a slim minority of their own race/culture. They refuse to directly respond, sometimes claim they aren't vastly out numbered, and it looks like the daily show set them up to out number their more numerous counter parts which further pushes the theme. They are just going to pretend it isn't what it is. Simply saying **** and acting like others simply have to accept obvious bull**** as truth annoys the hell out of me. In addition to the numbers issue they refuse to acknowledge the actual origin of the word or provide any researched and factual defense of their version. At some point that too becomes essentially another lie. There is too much dishonesty from that side of the debate for my liking and it's making it harder to sympathize. i think i might have shed a tear reading this post. an 'on the fence' fan seeing exactly what i see, frustrated by the same things im frustrated by. almost makes me feel sane again. thanks for the post, des. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander PK Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 If you've read my posts you know I'm sympathetic to those wanting to change the name and personally on the fence. Truth is I don't really value a team name all that much, for me it's about it being my home town team. I have a major problem with the dishonest way Native Americans pushing for the change try get around the fact that they are a slim minority of their own race/culture. They refuse to directly respond, sometimes claim they aren't vastly out numbered, and it looks like the daily show set them up to out number their more numerous counter parts which further pushes the theme. They are just going to pretend it isn't what it is. Simply saying **** and acting like others simply have to accept obvious bull**** as truth annoys the hell out of me. In addition to the numbers issue they refuse to acknowledge the actual origin of the word or provide any researched and factual defense of their version. At some point that too becomes essentially another lie. There is too much dishonesty from that side of the debate for my liking and it's making it harder to sympathize. this has become it for me in a nut shell really. I would be willing to accept change if the majority of Native Americans were truly offended by the name for good reasons. I really would, but the problem I have is that it appears that numbers and facts are not on their side...so the changers are just going to spread lies, half-truths, and bizarre interpretations of history to try and force the change anyway. The correlations and connections they are trying to make don't even make sense half the time. Their whole argument is essentially, Native Americans have been treated poorly since the white man landed...therefore Native American mascots are racist. I really wonder if the changers are not just trying to exact some measure of revenge on American society for the wrongs done them...and they think this is the most obvious way they can hurt us. By taking things we love away from us...whether they are really truly offended by them or not. I really wonder if some of the changers really care one iota about Native mascots, but they know this is a way to draw attention to themselves and their plight. The problem is, and I said this on Facebook to the ones I converse with. They are turning off a lot of people who would be allies with them in righting social and historical wrongs. We are not their enemy...but they are treating us like we are. Native themed teams could be used as mediums to raise awareness of the plight of Natives in this country. Instead, if they eventually force change, their victory will be a shallow one and they will have accomplished nothing of real value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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