SkinsFTW Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 The country is doomed regardless of who is elected. It's just going to happen faster now that Obama is reelected. Yep. Glad I've been investing in real estate overseas for a decade. Sure has helped keep up the value of my savings since the dollar is down 100% since 2002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanboyOf91 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 since the dollar is down 100% since 2002. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Republicans need to wake up and realize that the nation has changed if they ever want to occupy the White House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 "The conservative movement should have particular appeal to people in minority and immigrant communities …"-Marco Rubio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Allen West losing might be my favorite part of the night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Moseley Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Without getting too personal, how is it impacting on your business? (Providing health care). I don't know much about how business provides health care for employees in the US. We only employ 6 people,The Realestate bust & zero rate of new construction & the employer paid taxes will be too high for the company to pay, employees will be forced to pay ALL own their health care costs or pay fedreral fines to be uninsured & we can't afford to pay higher saleries to pay their own health care or fines. We have been losing $$ the past 2 years, the owner hasn't drawn a paycheck in a month & the end is near Kinda ironic that the Gov. is taxing us out of business,just like King George in the 1700's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenspandan Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 since the dollar is down 100% since 2002. this is exactly the kind of commitment to both mathematics and reality that allowed republicans to build their fortress of bull**** which has shielded them from the obvious foreknowledge of the last two presidential elections, and i see no signs they are going to change their approach. as a leftist myself, it is a charitable moment of honesty for me to say that it's not just bad for their own party, it's bad for america. i really wish they'd rejoin this planet and re-engage in honest objective discourse instead of absurd hysterics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjTj Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 "The conservative movement should have particular appeal to people in minority and immigrant communities …"-Marco RubioSaying "should have" and actually doing it are very different things, and I'm not sure Marco Rubio really gets it. Rubio is Cuban-American and like many Cold War immigrants, his parents came to America fleeing an oppressive Communist regime. I think that the conservative platform speaks to that generation of immigrants, but it has less meaning to more recent immigrants. Immigrants today are not necessarily fleeing from terrible governments but are just seeking better opportunities in America. They may even like many of the government programs in their countries of origin and might think about going back. A Chinese immigrant in 1972 was a defector and a fervent anti-Communist that would cut off all ties to China. A Chinese immigrant today is proud of modern China and is likely to keep many personal and business connections to China. With the rest of the world generally more socialist than the United States, I think that immigrants are more comfortable with socialist government policies, and the anti-Communist message no longer resonates. It's what I thought when I saw that weird Eastern European guy who put out his own pro-Republican ad. It just didn't seem to speak to anyone except for old white men who are nostalgic about the Cold War, and a few specific anti-Communist immigrant communities like Cubans and Vietnamese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacase Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Not sure why people think that they Republicans need to change. They obviously don't. They needed stronger Presidential candidates. I think they picked up 4 or 5 governorship for a total of 33ish. (numbers are a little fuzzy). they have the first GOP governor in NC in 2 decades, I think they also picked up seats in the house. Did they get the big prize? No. But they are sitting quite well. This was not an Obama blow out by any means. What this tells me is that BOTH parties need to drag themselves to the center and quit being so partisan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Not sure why people think that they Republicans need to change. They obviously don't. They needed stronger Presidential candidates. I think they picked up 4 or 5 governorship for a total of 33ish. (numbers are a little fuzzy). they have the first GOP governor in NC in 2 decades, I think they also picked up seats in the house. Did they get the big prize? No. But they are sitting quite well. This was not an Obama blow out by any means. What this tells me is that BOTH parties need to drag themselves to the center and quit being so partisan. They need to change because the demographics are rapidly shifting against them. They are getting destroyed by the minority vote and the majority of the younger generation has voted for the Democrats in the past 3 Presidential elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Without getting too personal, how is it impacting on your business? (Providing health care). I don't know much about how business provides health care for employees in the US. Don't waste your time. Rising healthcare costs are a big issue for individuals and companies as most health insurance is subsidized be employers, but blaming Obama's legislation is very dubious. In fact, we got a rebate this year because of the new law,as our insurer didn't meet their cost goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John224 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Republicans need to wake up and realize that the nation has changed if they ever want to occupy the White House. It has and will not stand the test of time like most Americans believe. There is no way Obama is going to cure this debt problem. Unlike California, the federal government has no one to bail them out. All you people out there who makes 100,00 a year, I hope you remember what is was like to be poor. Most Americans are so uninformed that they actually think this country is an invincible force that will stand tall until the end of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Chris Matthews should probably be fired tonight. I'm not sure if any of you caught that soundbite, but I'm sure it will be all over the place by tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Not sure why people think that they Republicans need to change. They obviously don't. They needed stronger Presidential candidates. I think they picked up 4 or 5 governorship for a total of 33ish. (numbers are a little fuzzy). they have the first GOP governor in NC in 2 decades, I think they also picked up seats in the house. Did they get the big prize? No. But they are sitting quite well. This was not an Obama blow out by any means. What this tells me is that BOTH parties need to drag themselves to the center and quit being so partisan. A stronger candidate would have definitely helped. Romney was just unlike able and couldn't shake the portrayal of him as Montgomery Burns. And having more than a few elected officials and senior people in your party make dumb comments about women, for example, doesn't help. Neither does the prominence of certain talk radio and Fox News being so blatant, and sometimes offensive. The GoP placed way too much emphasis on their base, and not the center, in this election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Chris Matthews should probably be fired tonight.I'm not sure if any of you caught that soundbite, but I'm sure it will be all over the place by tomorrow. What did he say? (I tried to watch MSNBC sparingly and Fox not at all.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afkidd Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 They need to change because the demographics are rapidly shifting against them. They are getting destroyed by the minority vote and the majority of the younger generation has voted for the Democrats in the past 3 Presidential elections. The Republican party needs to change so bad. When you have guys saying "you can't get pregnant from rape", FOXNEWS fear mongering non-stop, and then when any kind of political discussion is brought up somehow at work (bear in mind I am in the military), all the republicans just start hating so ignorantly on Obama, yelling about how he's going to take our guns away, how obamacare is going to destroy the world, not knowing how our pay raises are calculated and blaming Obama for it, it's mind boggling to me how anyone who is unsure who to vote for can look at that and go "yup, that's the side I want to be associated with". a conservative forum I lurk on is going INSANE right now. At least here all the comments are reasonable (pro or anti-Obama). Over there it's just "THE KENYAN STOLE THE ELECTION" or wondering how much money "obungo" paid that johnson guy to run and take away votes from romney. i don't consider myself a very intelligent person, but...i don't want to be associated with that kind of stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Chris Matthews should probably be fired tonight.I'm not sure if any of you caught that soundbite, but I'm sure it will be all over the place by tomorrow. What did the clown say now? My favorite quote is from the Colorado Governor ... On the legalization of recreational marijuana ... "That said,*federal law still says marijuana is an illegal drug, so don’t break out*the Cheetos or gold fish too quickly.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 What did he say? (I tried to watch MSNBC sparingly and Fox not at all.) I caught him saying something about being happy the hurricane happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 The Republican party needs to change so bad. When you have guys saying "you can't get pregnant from rape", FOXNEWS fear mongering non-stop, and then when any kind of political discussion is brought up somehow at work (bear in mind I am in the military), all the republicans just start hating so ignorantly on Obama, yelling about how he's going to take our guns away, how obamacare is going to destroy the world, not knowing how our pay raises are calculated and blaming Obama for it, it's mind boggling to me how anyone who is unsure who to vote for can look at that and go "yup, that's the side I want to be associated with". It's not all republicans by any means, but it seems to have become much more mainstream to rant about Obama, than it was for democrats during Bush's more unpopular moments. Wingnuts always exist on both sides but wingnut seems to have become an established part of the mainstream for Republicans at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afkidd Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 It's not all republicans by any means, but it seems to have become much more mainstream to rant about Obama, than it was for democrats during Bush's more unpopular moments. Wingnuts always exist on both sides but wingnut seems to have become an established part of the mainstream for Republicans at the moment. i agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I caught him saying something about being happy the hurricane happened. Wow. That's pretty bad. Did anyone react to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Wow. That's pretty bad. Did anyone react to that? You could hear a couple of his panel mates groan the moment he said it, then he tried to walk it back a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 GOP needs to appeal to somebody besides old white men. Women, young people, and all the minorities are heavily against the GOP right now. They need to take a long look at themselves. Also they need to start nominating viable candidates. Ron Paul might have had a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 GOP needs to appeal to somebody besides old white men.Women, young people, and all the minorities are heavily against the GOP right now. They need to take a long look at themselves. Also they need to start nominating viable candidates. Ron Paul might have had a chance. As a sort of outside observer (Although Im in and from the UK I work for a US business and am quite likely to relocate to the US on a long term basis next year) I would say the fundemental problem the Republican party have is that no viable candidate who would appeal to the unaligned or folks who voted democrat because they were turned off by Romney has a chance of getting nominated. The base of the Reublican party seems to have been taken over by the Religous right or tea party activists - the positions needed of candidates to get nominated by that constituency pretty much lock them out from just over half the vote. Demographics will make that locked out percentage grow as well. ---------- Post added November-7th-2012 at 06:07 AM ---------- Yep. Glad I've been investing in real estate overseas for a decade. Sure has helped keep up the value of my savings since the dollar is down 100% since 2002. Down 200% since 2002 against what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinsFan44 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Perhaps we have seen the end of the D+9, +8 etc polling bias nonsense. Perhaps. Ayn Rand hates losers I want this as a bumper sticker Edit: I see some strong parallels between the right's reactions to polling data and their reactions to climate science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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