kingdaddy Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Spinning this forward, are you willing to pull the plug on Banks after the season if he doesn't "break one or two" and continues to provide nothing dynamic on offense? Yes, if he does nothing for the remainder of the season I'd pull the plug on him if we have a suitable replacement. I guess I'm just confident that he'll make some plays this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 Yes, if he does nothing for the remainder of the season I'd pull the plug on him if we have a suitable replacement. I guess I'm just confident that he'll make some plays this season. I hope you're right. I actually WANT him to succeed, I just don't have any faith that he will. He seems to have regressed from when he burst onto the scene in 2010. I think a suitable replacement currently exists on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinz4Life12 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 its time for him to go. he isn't bringing anything to the table. he has to run to the sideline due to his size and if the cover team takes away the sideline he usually just dances and gets maybe 5 yards. he's a fumbling risk too. i think the extra roster spot would be better served elsewhere. let niles, aldrick, or santana return kicks and punts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wholee Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I'm torn! I like Banks and he has value. He hasn't done much and at times it looks like he hurts us (unable to break tackles...) Due to his lack of a return TD so far, should we be ready to move on? This week in NY, if he takes one back would your opinion change? What would Banks have to do in order to stop calling for him to be cut? No one can take it to the house every week. HTTR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I consider Branks a threat to break one every time he's back on a punt return. I don't think Paul is a threat at all. Santana would be a good alternative but he doesn't break long returns either, although he has the speed to do so. Banks broke one in preseason and I still think he'll prove his worth at some point. I guess it better be sooner than later for his sake. The natives are getting restless..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsCrushCowboys Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I consider Branks a threat to break one every time he's back on a punt return. I.... Explain why? I just don't understand how people are so sure he is going to break one. He has a better chance of fumbling than breaking one...when he goes back my hope is he does not fumble. His return TD was in a pre season game and along time ago. I posted hearlier..his career he averages less than 10 yards a return and during that time has not broken...many..any. I wish he was as electrifying as some folks think, the truth is, he is not. He can't play special teams and with roster spots so important our return for his in minimal IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinz4Life12 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 the problem is, Banks always breaks a few in the preseason and then doesn't do squat in the regular season. so what if Paul or Santana can't do better? at least they aren't taking up a roster spot to only return kicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 the problem is, Banks always breaks a few in the preseason and then doesn't do squat in the regular season. so what if Paul or Santana can't do better? at least they aren't taking up a roster spot to only return kicks Bingo, those end arounds and the returns should be enough evidence that we could use the spot somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Breakaway returns are a result of blocks the overwhelming majority of the time. But if you give most punt returners the right blocks that can cause a breakaway, they'll be able to be a threat. Banks does have a very good burst and he's good at navigating the sidelines in traffic. But the potential positives do not cancel out the definite negatives. ~BAng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryGreenMonk Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Why in the hell does anyone think Brown will be on the active roster? I think he'll have to go on IR and that will be that. Then his Redskins career comes to an end on June 1st, 2013. that's possible. after they pull him from the PUP, he can practice for 2 weeks i think for them to make a decision on whether they IR him or put him on the roster. I would think though because of his contract, he will get the benefit of the doubt if he practices well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingarthur65 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Seeing Brandon Banks in the backfield with Morris and Moss gives us a lot of speed on the edges. The defenses have to stop Morris up the middle but also be aware of the fake up the middle. Then you have RG3 rolling out with the option to keep it himself, pitch it out to Banks or shovel pass to Moss. That is scary speed on the edge for any defense. When the defenses spread out to cover the edges, it opens holes in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirtyfive2seven Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I keep holding out hope that Banks will have some breakout game and contribute in any other area aside from teams but even his punt returns and kickoff returns have been mediocre recently. I'd love to see him more involved on offense maybe on a trick play going deep but I'm not against someone else getting a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 Seeing Brandon Banks in the backfield with Morris and Moss gives us a lot of speed on the edges. The defenses have to stop Morris up the middle but also be aware of the fake up the middle. Then you have RG3 rolling out with the option to keep it himself, pitch it out to Banks or shovel pass to Moss. That is scary speed on the edge for any defense. When the defenses spread out to cover the edges, it opens holes in the middle. What you just did was describe why the scheme is effective and pressures the defense. What you haven't done is explain why Banks couldn't be replaced by Robinson. They both ran the 40 in 4.43 at the combine (both claim to have run it faster in college too). So, why does it NEED to be Banks to be effective? I can't imagine that the D would react differently if it was Robinson in that position so he'd still play the decoy role fine. I also have a tough time envisioning Robinson doing less if he is pitched the ball. Banks has averaged about 4 yards per touch on offense this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinz4Life12 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 i'd like to see Banks get a chance to go deep. He should be able to run by most defenders and RG3 has the arm to get him the ball. that being said, i'm wearing a bit thin with his lack of production in the return game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 i'd like to see Banks get a chance to go deep. He should be able to run by most defenders and RG3 has the arm to get him the ball.that being said, i'm wearing a bit thin with his lack of production in the return game We saw the issues in the preseason. I have no doubt that he could get a step on a lot of DBs. The issue is that with his size, he would need to get about 4 steps on a DB for a QB to be able to drop the ball in there. The smaller you are, the more space you need to make a play on the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Banks, like Doughty, has a four leaf clover where the sun don't shine. The guy fumbles a lot, he's just consistently lucky we get them back. He usually runs from sideline to sideline, and periodically breaks a nice runback, but he hasn't been the home run threat we want him to be. Banks probably stays this year because he's getting some work out of the backfield, but after this year all bets are off. And that's only if his fumbles keep getting picked back up by us. If we start losing them, he'll be gone very quickly. ---------- Post added October-15th-2012 at 04:21 PM ---------- We saw the issues in the preseason. I have no doubt that he could get a step on a lot of DBs. The issue is that with his size, he would need to get about 4 steps on a DB for a QB to be able to drop the ball in there. The smaller you are, the more space you need to make a play on the ball. And Banks has more trouble getting off the line of scrimmage than most. He's too small to survive a solid bump, get a good shove on him and he won't be able to get that 4 step lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek1973 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Right now I would love to see Banks cut and Cooley back there on the spread. yea he is slow, but he can block if need be, he can catch if needed and he may break a tackle of too. Banks is simply useless on this team and mark my words he is going to fumble one and cost us a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahons21 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I was probably Banks' biggest fan this past offseason. My argument had always been he'll make the team as a return man, not as a WR as Shanny said he must. That argument is no longer valid, becaus he's been awful as a return man. Rather a new argument has formed for keeping him, and that is as an actual assett to the offense. Until the triple option offense is either a.) figured out, or b.) another player shows they can replicate what Banks does for the triple option, he'll remain a Redskin. But I'd be open to trying our Niles on either KR/PR duties, that dude can accelerate period. ---------- Post added October-15th-2012 at 07:31 PM ---------- And Banks has more trouble getting off the line of scrimmage than most. He's too small to survive a solid bump, get a good shove on him and he won't be able to get that 4 step lead. He was doing a damn good job of it during pre-season/training camp (really the only time we've had a chance to evaluate him at it). He doesn't have the strength but he does have the foot speed to throw people off at the LOS, and oh yeah, if your miss your jam you're looking back at him running it in for 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1796 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I just don't understand how some people still think banks is a game changer. Percy Harbin is a game changer. Banks isn't even a good fit for the option game the way we are running it. i cringe every time he touches the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Man Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 To OP: Banks is an asset; now if he would please stop letting the ball go over his head - at least make the fair catch. ---------------------- Dude c'mon this is a bad thread. Not all thoughts should be threads or even said aloud. I'd say this falls into that category. Used to be a big banks fan, still believe he can and will make a serious impact this season This man/woman has just as much right as anyone else to start a thread; if you don't like the thread, don't read it. It took you more time to type out a response than hit that "X" in the top right corner. So quit whining... ...and I agree with you last sentence all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins3000 Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 After watching Briscoe drop a pass, Niles Paul dropping multiple passes I think Banks has contributed way more than these two players. I can name one game being the Bengals game when Banks came up big. Cannot say the same for these two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsBoss Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I like banks and believe there is a lot of the playbook we have yet to open up for him.......wouldn't mind seeing briscoe cut.....and miles Paul just needs more playing time and he should become better and bigger part of the offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterx Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 After watching Briscoe drop a pass, Niles Paul dropping multiple passes I think Banks has contributed way more than these two players. I can name one game being the Bengals game when Banks came up big. Cannot say the same for these two. Yah, I am starting to wonder if WR is not as much a strength for us as I thought when we signed Garcon and Morgan. Neither has lived up to their contract, yet. Morgan doesn't seem to be able to elevate his game and be a consistent target for Griff. I also don't buy the notion that Griffin spreads the ball around so much it's hard for players to get 60+ catches. I think he is forced to spread the ball around because his current #1 and #2 targets aren't getting separation quick enough to warrant a throw to them. I've never really been a fan of Banks...Once or twice a year I will get on the bandwagon because he breaks a 50 yard return. Then he is a dud for 4 weeks and I just wonder what other player we could have active. Someone mentioned in another thread why not a kickoff specialist if touchbacks were so important to the staff. I am inclined to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I am a big Robinson fan and I don't see anything Banks brings to the team that Robinson can't. Put Robinson back there in the "Banks" package and it is just as effective and actually more so because of the threat of motioning Robinson out in the slot or just running a wheel route or something where he would be far more effective than Banks at. He had a good run but it is time for Banks to go. He brings nothing in returns, makes bad decisions on punts and doesn't do anything of offense basically. He also fumbles constantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Right now I would love to see Banks cut and Cooley back there on the spread. yea he is slow, but he can block if need be, he can catch if needed and he may break a tackle of too. Banks is simply useless on this team and mark my words he is going to fumble one and cost us a game. dude....Cooley IS NOT coming back. Get over it. The guy is done. Not trying to be a douche, but it's crazy how ppl bring up Cooley in every thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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