HailGreen28 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 So when we get our 18 million back for this year, what do we do with it? :whoknows:Frontload more contracts.:evilg: ---------- Post added April-18th-2012 at 11:49 AM ---------- Not 100% locked down but word is we'll take a settlement of just getting the 18 mil of space back next year as the damage is already done this year. thanks for the info., that kinda sucks. so next year would be okay, we just get totally screwed this year with no compensation. (For contracts the league approved, and were legal under the existing cba, and owners colluded amongst themselves, to act like the contracts were wrong after the fact. great now I'm mad again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acuratl1984 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Penalize the Giants next year. Yup, I agree. 1) 18 mil(Redskins) + 5 mil (Cowboys) = 23 mil in Cap Space Removed from Giant's 2013 Cap, and devided to Redskins/Cowboys 18/5. 2) 23 mils given to all Cowboys/Redskins fan in pennies so they can stone Mara.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 It would be better to get the 18Mil back for this year, not next year if its one or the other. The 18 Mil could be used now if needed or if not then carried over as if we got the 18 Mil next year anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Stop getting excited. There is no way in hell we get any cap space or money or draft picks or BJs or anything. It sucks but its the truth, we got screwed So you're thinkg the Redskins case is weak and we will loose in arbitration? If we win we absolutely will get cap space back (at the minimum). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Conveniently after free agency. So I think it says they knew they couldn't get it to stick, so they came up with a little evil conniving plan to actually get it to work. The only way, do it the day before free agency so that it couldn't be responded to fast enough. No respect for those people, wouldn't trust them with my wallet. On another note, Special Master Stephen Burbank sounds like this is going to be a Dungeons and Dragons game between us and the NFL officiated by him :-O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 It would be better to get the 18Mil back for this year, not next year if its one or the other. The 18 Mil could be used now if needed or if not then carried over as if we got the 18 Mil next year anyway. Why? No significant damage was done to our FA plans. Yes, maybe we had to structure contracts a certain way but we can restructure them next year anyway. Also, we'll better be able to manage the floor without having to backload salaries so we can pay guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 So when we get our 18 million back for this year, what do we do with it? :whoknows: Use 10 million of it to help us get out of the cap stranglehold and roll over 8 million to next year with the other 18 million, giving us 26 million next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stophovr6 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I want the space back for next year, and I want Mara stripped of any duties other than ownership of his franchise. Banish him to St Helena along with his boyfriend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Free Agency is not over. Just because the draft is coming up, doesn't mean you can't still sign guys. We would also need relief for our rookie contracts and any injuries we might sustain during the season, so I'd like at least a portion of our cap space back this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oraphus Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 The problem is that the NFL already gave away the 23mil in cap space to other teams. And these teams will use this cap space during the draft and FA signings before May. so... i see the arbitrator finding a "happy medium" where Skins/Boys lose 23mil this year and get their 23mil back back for next year. This was probably Goodell/ Mora plan all along. If Skins are very lucky they might be able to throw in 3 paddle spanks for Mora.. possibly get Orakpo to do the spanking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeski27 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I have a couple of ideas. The least offensive one includes shoving it up John Mara's *** one penny at a time. Yeah better to be 1 penny at a time; if it was one whole roll at a time, he might actually take some pleasure from it...:evilg: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarpon75 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 One of my concerns would be is that this thing gets dragged out until there is essentially minimal benefit of the space for this season.None of us knows how this thing will turn out but the NFL management is really out of control,they are ruining this game on many different levels. Would love to see Goodell and Mara come out of this having been taken down a few pegs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaga Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 The problem is that the NFL already gave away the 23mil in cap space to other teams. And these teams will use this cap space during the draft and FA signings before May. The bolded part is not true. More than 1/2 of the teams that had cap added because of the penalties won't be any where near the salary cap, much less use the extra cap space they were given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SittingBull Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 The teams divied up the whole 36 million from us and 10 million from Dallas this year. The 18 million theyre supposed to take next year was already given to the teams this year. Only the Jaguars opted not to take the money this year. The only way I could see them fixing that is deducting from every teams cap next year other than the teams that didn't gain any space. That would be us, Dallas, Raiders, Saints and Jags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarpon75 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 The problem is that the NFL already gave away the 23mil in cap space to other teams. And these teams will use this cap space during the draft and FA signings before May.so... i see the arbitrator finding a "happy medium" where Skins/Boys lose 23mil this year and get their 23mil back back for next year. This was probably Goodell/ Mora plan all along. If Skins are very lucky they might be able to throw in 3 paddle spanks for Mora.. possibly get Orakpo to do the spanking. In a perfect scenario these teams should have the space taken away from them next season.Beat me to it Sitting Bull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 The problem is that the NFL already gave away the 23mil in cap space to other teams. And these teams will use this cap space during the draft and FA signings before May.so... i see the arbitrator finding a "happy medium" where Skins/Boys lose 23mil this year and get their 23mil back back for next year. This was probably Goodell/ Mora plan all along. If Skins are very lucky they might be able to throw in 3 paddle spanks for Mora.. possibly get Orakpo to do the spanking. The thing is, the Skins and the Cowboys have essentially been hit twice now for it. Mara should have either cut our cap space or doled the extra out to other clubs, not both. Skins and Boys are now in the "negative." Think of it this way: You and I are allowed to spend $100 per year. You spend $105 one year and I spend $100 - you have now spent $5 more than me. To make things even, one of two things should happen: either you spend $95 and I spend $100, or I spend $105 and you spend $100 - now we have both spent the same amount. What Mara did was say you have to spend $95 and I can spend $105 - meaning now I have spent $5 more than you. Let the other teams keep their cap space, we just need ours back. That will even things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPinstripe Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 The thing is, the Skins and the Cowboys have essentially been hit twice now for it. Mara should have either cut our cap space or doled the extra out to other clubs, not both. Skins and Boys are now in the "negative."Think of it this way: You and I are allowed to spend $100 per year. You spend $105 one year and I spend $100 - you have now spent $5 more than me. To make things even, one of two things should happen: either you spend $95 and I spend $100, or I spend $105 and you spend $100 - now we have both spent the same amount. What Mara did was say you have to spend $95 and I can spend $105 - meaning now I have spent $5 more than you. Let the other teams keep their cap space, we just need ours back. That will even things up. Exactly. How is this supposed to work? Basically, we forever have 18 million less in cap space then the other teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Smith Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 It's hard to predict with total confidence because we don't have access to all of the facts, but based on what I've read, and as a lawyer, I'd be willing to bet that at a minimum, there will be at least SOME relief given to the Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warren Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfor Hearing before the special master in the Skins/Cowboys salary cap case will be May 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downbeat87 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 we should get all of our money back, and the nfl should not be able to do this again. plus compensation. like a 2nd round pick. i mean it WONT happen, but 18 mill in cap this year taken less than a week from FA is downright criminal. that was a dirty play by the NYG, we should get their 2nd round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Dog Night Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Free Agency is not over. Just because the draft is coming up, doesn't mean you can't still sign guys. We would also need relief for our rookie contracts and any injuries we might sustain during the season, so I'd like at least a portion of our cap space back this year. Yes, however, the real impact players are gone. Between Vincent Jackson, Carl Nicks, Brandon Carr, Ben Grubbs, Mario Williams, Eddie Royal, Evan Mathis, Chris Meyers...plus a half dozen other offensive linemen, the Redskins definitely would have signed at least one out of that group, and probably two or three. There's nothing that can be done to reverse that. This was a very deep FA class with loads of talent. The Redskins knew it coming in, and they prepared for it. Then, an owner in their division abused his power and took away $36M - an absolutely staggering figure - from their cap space. So, even if the Redskins get all their cap money back (and I suspect they will), the damage is done, never to be undone. I suspect that was Mara's plan all along, hence the timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliz Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 If Bruce Allen believes there was no wrongdoing in the actions of the FO, isn't anything less than the full $36M just an insult? I mean, 2012 cap space may serve no real purpose at this point, but it seems like it would be more principal than anything. Or is it just cutting losses and moving forward? IMO if we get that offer we sign immediately. I think it's the best realistic outcome of the arbitration. Getting all $36M back seems highly unlikely. If we're getting a settlement offer that is equal to the best likely outcome, we take it with no hesitation, for the good of the team. Screw principle. What matters are Ws and Ls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Worthy Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Well if we do get back the 18 mil for the 2013 season, here is a quick look at who will be Free Agents at that time. I grabbed a top 50 with position and age: 1. Drew Brees QB 34 2. Calais Campbell DT 26 3. Ray Rice RB 26 4. LeSean McCoy RB 25 5. Cliff Avril DE 26 6. Jake Long OT 28 7. Matt Forte RB 27 8. Greg Jennings WR 29 9. Joe Flacco QB 28 10. Antonio Brown (Restricted) WR 24 11. Duane Brown OT 28 12. Mike Wallace WR 26 13. Dwayne Bowe WR 28 14. Cameron Wake DE 31 15. Brent Grimes CB 30 16. Wes Welker WR 32 17. Daryl Smith OLB 31 18. Victor Cruz (Restricted) WR 26 19. Matt Schaub QB 32 20. Sebastian Vollmer OT 28 21. Brian Urlacher ILB 35 22. Ed Reed S 34 23. Chris Clemons DE 31 24. Jairus Byrd S 26 25. Jonathan Stewart RB 26 26. Anthony Spencer OLB 29 27. Rashard Mendenhall RB 26 28. Jason McCourty CB 26 29. Dwight Freeney DE 33 30. Tyvon Branch S 26 31. Henry Melton DT 26 32. Mathias Kiwanuka OLB 30 33. Jason Jones DT 27 34. Michael Griffin S 28 35. Felix Jones WR 26 36. Darryl Tapp OLB 28 37. Alan Branch DT 28 38. Kenny Phillips S 26 39. Jermon Bushrod OT 29 40. Fred Jackson RB 32 41. Connor Barwin DE 26 42. LeGarrette Blount (Restricted) RB 26 43. Bernard Pollard S 27 44. LaRon Landry S 28 45. James Laurinaitis ILB 26 46. Fred Davis TE 27 47. Justin Durant OLB 27 48. Lawrence Jackson DE 28 49. Jeff Otah OT 27 50. Will Svitek OT 31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 So when we get our 18 million back for this year, what do we do with it? :whoknows:Roll it over into 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I'd be all over Laurenitis, Barwin, or possibly even Kenny Phillips from that list in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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