SkinsFTW Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 When did Felix Jones switch to WR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedlamVR Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I think there is going to be some face saving deal done . We will not get the full 36, or even the 18 - I don't doubt that but I think if we take the deal there may be things worth more than money - well cap space - on the table . People need to remember that this is only the first step . If the NFL arbitrator says there was nothing wrong with the way the punishment was handed out by the new CBA, then the next step is to challenge the CBA or challenge the act of collusion in itself .. though going that way is not without risks and the argument gets weaker and weaker .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECU-ALUM Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I agree with everyone who says there will be a face saving deal. Although I think John Mara is on a power kick because his team won the Lombardi...I have not rooted for team to fall flat on their face so badly in a LONG time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Not sure if this has been posted, but NFL Network's Albert Breer is saying the hearing will be May 10th. https://twitter.com/#!/AlbertBreer/status/192671161950285825 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazzaro703 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I'm not 100% on this, but from what i understand we would be able to carry what ever is left into next season. My guess would be we won't get anything back this year. Money was already distributed to other teams and a cap set. Whatever we get will be awarded next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrong Direction Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I know it's TK saying we'll get nothing this year, but I still suspect we'll get some relief this year and full relief next year. We are close enough to the current cap that it will still affect what we do with contracts. Even getting $6 million back this year and $18 million back next year would allow the league to save some face, while not hurting the Skins too much moving forward. I hate that this is all led by Mara, but just about every other franchise is on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHALEN Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I have a bad feeling that the NFL has Burbank in their pocket. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6172379 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailGreen28 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I really think anything less than *all our cap space back and some extra compensation* should be appealed. Even if we get nothing in the end. There's trying to get along, and there's refusing to accept getting hosed on principle. With the nature and timing of this mugging, "getting along" was tossed out the window by Mara and Co. weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakinaiken Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 So when we get our 18 million back for this year, what do we do with it? :whoknows: a few weekend funded kegs and eggs celebrations.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky52Mc Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 So when we get our 18 million back for this year, what do we do with it? :whoknows: You pay off a bunch of these contracts we just picked up lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveakl Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 So when we get our 18 million back for this year, what do we do with it? :whoknows: Two girls at the same time man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destructis Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 So when we get our 18 million back for this year, what do we do with it? :whoknows: I have two words for you....... Bounty System Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsoe Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 We could use that cap space for Asante Samuel. That would shore up some CB problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander PK Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I think I just couldn't in good conscience "settle" for anything less than a full reimbursement of the 36 million. What the league did was a Mafia style ***** slap to the Redskins. They were completely and totally wrong. Collusion is illegal. If I had vested ownership beyond just being a fan in this situation I would bring down the whole league before I would ever make some kind of ***** deal. I would push this thing as far as I could possibly push it, and if the wrong was not corrected I would get my retribution some other way. Any dirt I had on Goodell, Mara, the whole lot of them would be coming out into the open. I just can't stand how this went down. My blood pressure rises every time I think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 This was posted in the other thread, but in case anybody missed it, Graziano's latest on the cap penalties is a good read: http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/38262/cowboysredskins-why-the-nfl-got-mad Many thanks to Albert for shining some light on what, exactly, the other owners found wrong with the way the Cowboys and the Redskins behaved in a year that was supposed to have no spending restrictions. The Cowboys and Redskins are arguing that there was no rule against what they did, and while that may be true, Giants owner and NFL management committee chairman John Mara said last month that all teams were warned that they could be punished if they did what these two teams did. But for a couple of reasons, I continue to believe the teams that are complaining about this are full of it. First of all, commissioner Roger Goodell said at the owners' meetings last month that the reason for the penalties was that the teams in question had attempted to gain a competitive advantage in future years through their 2010 actions. But what Albert writes (on the league's own web site) is something quite different. Albert's reporting indicates that the reason the other teams got upset at the Cowboys and the Redskins was because their actions required them to spend more money than they wanted to spend to pay their own players. And if that's the case, then the artificial, unwritten guidelines the owners tried to put in place to control spending during the uncapped year were not an effort to maintain future competitive balance (as they have claimed publicly), but rather clearly an attempt to control player salaries. More at link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrepDC Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I still haven't had anyone explain to me how we don't automatically get the money back the third year. As I understand what's happened: Cap this year(simplified): $120m Our max team salary: $102m We lose $18m in cap space Next year same thing League cap is like: $122m Our cap would be: $104m This is what I don't understand. The third year, our actual team salary would be below $104m because of the limitations the years before, but we will be back under the league cap max which would be maybe $124m. Meaning in that third year we end up back under the cap like $20m and have tons of money to throw around. Am I understanding this right? If so, this penalty isn't really a big deal to me. Just forces us to build through the draft a few years, and puts us back in position to find any remaining holes in FA after we've drafted our foundation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SittingBull Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I have a bad feeling that the NFL has Burbank in their pocket.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6172379 . He's also ruled against Mara in particular http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4046141 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 How awesome would it be if we are able to transfer the money over to next year and have 50 million to spend next year after RG3 has one year in the system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsince72 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Does anyone know if the hearing will be recorded in any way?Either via voice recordings or through a stenographer? if that is an option, I hope BA is all over that and demand it. Let's see how eager the NFL is to "put it all out there". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I'm pretty sure we aren't getting any money back...and definitely not getting compensatory picks. So the NFL enforcing an unwritten Labor law violation rule wants to end up in court? You sure about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 If we get $18 million back this year, we should at minimum sign Davis to a long-term contract. I would also want to renew Darrell Young before the season starts instead of waiting for him to blow up this year, looks to be a contract year for him in 2012. Lorenzo Alexander and Gano are a couple guys we can extend their contracts early as opposed to waiting to last minute and risk losing them to free agency. Players are going to get released that haven't been released yet after the draft heading into training camp. It's better not to be broke heading into training camp, so give us half now, half next year, same way they planned to take it from us, imo. I don't know about getting extra picks or one of the giants picks. If it's not 2nd round - pick #33, I could care less. Don't throw me some scraps like a conditional 6th rounder trying to say you're sorry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braindx Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I still haven't had anyone explain to me how we don't automatically get the money back the third year. As I understand what's happened:Cap this year(simplified): $120m Our max team salary: $102m We lose $18m in cap space Next year same thing League cap is like: $122m Our cap would be: $104m This is what I don't understand. The third year, our actual team salary would be below $104m because of the limitations the years before, but we will be back under the league cap max which would be maybe $124m. Meaning in that third year we end up back under the cap like $20m and have tons of money to throw around. Am I understanding this right? If so, this penalty isn't really a big deal to me. Just forces us to build through the draft a few years, and puts us back in position to find any remaining holes in FA after we've drafted our foundation. This is correct, but we still lose a cumulative amount of money where we could've front loaded more deals especially with the huge FA crop this season. Plus, it doesn't help us that we have players like Fletcher who are probably gonna retire in a couple years which hand cuffs us this year and next if we had that extra money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Win4us Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 How many ES members work in the legal field? We (redskins and turd fans) should bring a class action lawsuit against Mara and Godell. In the spirit of season ticket holders affected by them....or something. Hell the attention alone would be nice to see since the NFL is keeping this stuff under wraps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyomingRedskin Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Why? No significant damage was done to our FA plans. Yes, maybe we had to structure contracts a certain way but we can restructure them next year anyway. Also, we'll better be able to manage the floor without having to backload salaries so we can pay guys. You know that how? How do you know what the original FA plan was? How do you know we didn't have to switch to Plan B or Plan C because of the huge salary cap hit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidFan Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Two girls at the same time man! What, no cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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