GibbsFactor Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Update: Chad Dukes and LaVar Arrington have asked me to come on their show today at 4 p.m. to talk about this. Should be a fun discussion about the Redskins and Andrew Luck. Go get em Murph. Kick Chad in the face via phone when you have a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.T.real,lights,out Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 They've had me on the show before. I know not everyone on ES loves Arrington and Dukes, but they're extremely supportive of local bloggers and have always been very kind to me in particular. Nice, if i was still at work at 4 i would tune in but i will be on my way home. Good luck man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Oh my you and Laverne together???? Only way it could be better it if it was Art or TK too! I'm gonna find the stream just to listen to this. I'm sure it will be much more civil and informative with you, but i like the fireworks! Like I said to Lavar months ago, he's got an open invite to come here to talk with ES anytime he wants to. All he has to do is say the word & I'll set him up an account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiingspadee Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I have said the same thing - there is almost NOTHING I would not trade to get Luck. As long it is not a young player we are building around (Landry, Orakpo, Kerrigan) ANYONE and ANYTHING is fair game for Luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins4ever28 Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I agree. We don't need the best QB ever to be a good team. If we can get a GOOD QB without sacrificing the house, then it's worth it. If Luck was the only QB worth anything in this draft, then it is a different story, but if there are other talented QB's coming out, take on of them and build the team.BTW, who exactly is going to block for Luck when we get him? Who is he going to throw to? Gaffney? Please. We would struggle to find talent to surround him with if we sacrificed more than 2 1sts and a few lower picks. Im sorry but Im so sick of this argument. First of all, lets look at an elite QB like Manning who made Reggie Wayne. Without Manning, Wayne is garbage, right? Secondly, same can be said of their Oline. Even the Steelers Oline. Their Oline has looked very shaky this year but Ben makes playes. Third, we can address Line/WR out of free agency. Bowe becomes a free agent, so does Vjax(I think), Waynes an FA too, but as I stated before I always though Manning made him look good. People seem to also forget we spent a 2nd rounder on Hankerson and I think hes going to be a great WR for years to come. Or what do you want us to do, go after 2 WR's in the draft like we did with Kelly and Thomas? That worked out well....As for O-lineman, we got out #1 tackle in the draft in Trent, we can go after Oline in later rounds as well. If we get Luck in the 1st, and everyones still crying over protection, then go Oline in the 2nd/3rd. We got our TE, we got our decent WR's. We got our young RB. We even got our LT. I mean give me a break with the supporting cast. If you put Brees, Manning, Brady, Ben, Rodgers, Rivers, Romo sits to pee, Vick, Eli, Schaub, heck even Cam Newton on our team we would be 100x better. This isnt 1985, you dont get a great Oline and a average to below average QB and win titles. You get the stud and you build around him. I could care less what we give up for Luck, I would trade it all personally, Id rather take the risk on him then do another 4 years of drafting the same stupid crap and being 8-8. At least with him we have hope. Sell the barn for luck, for once lets actually go for a risk. And dont give me that Vinny talk. Vinny traded picks for overweight and out of shape/past their prime veterans, not a young stud. Bottom line, we have a fine supporting cast and it will only get better, were actually decently young, get the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 If somehow we end up the worst team with the #1 pick I'd be 100% for trading it away for 4 first rounders and still get the 2nd best QB in the draft. Too bad no NFL team will be moronic enough to do what a lot of skins fans suggest here. I would say that maybe Cinci would trade up to do this considering they now have at least 3 maybe 4 firsts the next 2 drafts, but Dalton is looking legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Hankerson was in the third round, if I recall correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Im sorry but Im so sick of this argument. First of all, lets look at an elite QB like Manning who made Reggie Wayne. Without Manning, Wayne is garbage, right? Secondly, same can be said of their Oline. Even the Steelers Oline. Their Oline has looked very shaky this year but Ben makes playes. The problem here is that almost every elite NFL QB other than Manning was taken later in the draft. So we trade 4 firsts for Luck, then find out in 2-3 years that 1-2 of the other guys are just as good or better. Kinda like when the Giants traded everything for Eli. They could have just picked Roethlisberger or Rivers and had a BETTER QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 If somehow we end up the worst team with the #1 pick I'd be 100% for trading it away for 4 first rounders and still get the 2nd best QB in the draft. Too bad no NFL team will be moronic enough to do what a lot of skins fans suggest here. I would say that maybe Cinci would trade up to do this considering they now have at least 3 maybe 4 firsts the next 2 drafts, but Dalton is looking legit. the problem with that is that you'd need a team in position for the 2nd QB to be willing to make that offer. Sure, maybe SOME team would make that offer, but they wouldn't be anywhere near a spot that could nab the 2nd rated QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunClintonRun26 Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Without Manning, Wayne is garbage, right? I agree with your overall premise that you need an elite QB to consistently win in the NFL. But the above quote made me seriously discredit everything else you said. Wayne is one of the cleanest route-runners you'll ever see, and has unbelievable hands. To say that a guy who will get legitimate consideration for the HOF is garbage reflects poor football knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Smith Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I'm really hoping the following meme catches hold: "Andrew Luck is a great QB and will probably be picked #1, but the 2012 draft is so, so deep at the QB position. Assuming the Skins have a mid- to upper-first round pick and want to address their QB weakness, they'll be able to get a great player to build around. So, all the talk about Luck is a little misguided. Besides, we've seen that top-pick QBs aren't always the best: just ask guys who fell in the draft, like Joe Montana, Dan Marino, and Aaron Rodgers." If that idea picked up steam, maybe it would give us some trade leverage to trade up for Luck... wishful thinking I'm sure, but hey, you never know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Hopefully the Dolphins and Colts can man up and get like 2-3 wins before the season is over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaaccs Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Redskins need a Big Time quarterback. Without a quarterback your team most likely wouldn't be that good with the exception of few. As you've seen the Packers are a great all around team because they have a play making quarterback "Aaron Rodgers". Redskins need that play making quarterback which i believe is Andrew Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crownking Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 SIMPLE - Trade Indianapolis a First and a Third for their First. They wont need a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatturkishguy Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Isn't there a saying about eggs and baskets that is applicable here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 great job Murf! I guess you need an Advil after listening to Laverne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Good job Murf Those of you against going for Luck, Chad is too. You may want to change your stance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Good appearance by Murf, but I agreed with Dukes what team would be foolish enough to trade Luck if he's as good as advertised, talk about having to explain that to your fan base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IONTOP Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 SIMPLE - Trade Indianapolis a First and a Third for their First. They wont need a QB. Good Job Murf... Tuned in to listen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Good appearance by Murf, but I agreed with Dukes what team would be foolish enough to trade Luck if he's as good as advertised, talk about having to explain that to your fan base. Having the #1 is a win win. How do you explain it? You still can get another of the good QBs plus you get all the picks. If we had #1 even I, an avid Franchise QB or bust fan, would be okay with getting 4 1sts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Outstanding Murf. The scenario Lavar played out was idiotic. If Luck goes 3-13 in year 1 but shows what Peyton did in year 1, I would be thrilled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 The scenario Lavar played out was idiotic. Nooooo, really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goingforburgundy Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Recap????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Isn't there a saying about eggs and baskets that is applicable here? If the NFL draft only consisted of a 1st round then, yes, it would be applicable. Or if people were talking about trading 3 entire drafts or something...but they aren't. In this instance people are generally talking about putting 3-4 potentially high value eggs in a basket based on the premise/likelihood that, down the road, said basket will end up being worth 10 times what the eggs you put in it were worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IONTOP Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 One thing that is overlooked: Would Andrew Luck in our camp entice young OL Free Agents to come here for value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.