2024 Rookie camp/OTA/Training camp thread.

[HigSkin]

 

[Skinsinparadise]

Some other tidbits from Keim's podcast.

 

A.  He can't overstated how much better this defensive coaching staff is over the previous one.

 

B.  Jamin Davis, practicing some with the edge rushers in the mix of the LB reps

 

C.  Forbes a work in progress, mentioned the joint practices might be telling, was exposed by the Ravens in the joint practices last year.  Mentioned Dyami beating Forbes on a play in practice but otherwise didn't catch much as to how he's looking

 

D.  Jayden is throwing with anticipation in practice.  Balls not hitting the ground the way they would last year in practice

Edited May 23 by Skinsinparadise

[MrJL]

14 hours ago, FuriousD said:

Anyone want to hazard a guess as to Forbes trade value in terms of draft picks? A 4th sounds to rich if he’s going to struggle to make this roster 

I'd rather look for player for player

[philibusters]

2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Some other tidbits from Keim's podcast.

 

A.  He can't overstated how much better this defensive coaching staff is over the previous one.

 

B.  Jamin Davis, practicing some with the edge rushers in the mix of the LB reps

 

C.  Forbes a work in progress, mentioned the joint practices might be telling, was exposed by the Ravens in the joint practices last year.  Mentioned Dyami beating Forbes on a play practice but otherwise didn't catch much as to how he's looking

 

D.  Jayden is throwing with anticpation in practice.  Balls not hitting the ground the way they would last year in practice

 

According to David Harrison Dyami had a good practice overall yesterday.    In terms of the one he beat Forbes on, Daniels held onto the ball for a bit then rather than take off running (which is silly in 7 v. 7 when there is no pass rush, he did a scramble drill and found Dymai.   Dyami supposedly did well on that scramble drill.   

 

David Harrison says one thing that Marcus Mariota is doing that is annoying him is Mariota will take off and run in 7 v. 7 if he has held on to the ball for a while, rather than the do a scramble drill.  Because there is no rush and nobody is going to tackle him, that doesn't work on anything.   Daniels is better at just turning the play into a scramble drill if he is still holding the ball after the receivers have run their routes.  At least that way if its a bad play you get practice on the scramble drill.

 

Edit: I believe on that particular play, Mariota was teh QB.

Edited May 23 by philibusters

[CommanderInTheRye]

21 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Listened to Logan Paulsen who has been at the practices on Sheehan's show <snip>

 

 

Great report! I love when you do bullet points on interviews  as I don't  always have the time or frankly energy to  critically listen/watch everything that I'd like to these days.

 

That said, was the Sheehan podcast you referred to posted on Mon, Tue, or Wed? I'm definitely interested in listening to that.

 

TIA

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

3 minutes ago, CommanderInTheRye said:

 

 

Great report! I love when you do bullet points on interviews  as I don't  always have the time or frankly energy to  critically listen/watch everything that I'd like to these days.

 

That said, was the Sheehan podcast you referred to posted on Mon, Tue, or Wed? I'm definitely interested in listening to that.

 

TIA

 

 

 

His May 20th podcast

[Warhead36]

Davis showed some growth last year. I do think there can be a place for him as an aggressive attacking LB type but if this staff doesn't see a future with him then he really is completely toast.

[Koolblue13]

If they saw absolutely anything at all in Davis, they wouldn't have brought in all the LBers and Edge guys that they did.

[CommanderInTheRye]

As a make chicken salad out of chicken **** worst case scenario-- if by end of camp it looks like both aren't in our plans could a package of Jamin AND Forbes fetch a reasonable return, say a backup but promising potential OLT or as much as a third round pick for trading both players?

 

Or would it be viewed as a garbage dump haul by other teams, in which case we're talking about getting a 5th round or later pick.

[bird_1972]

4 hours ago, RandyHolt said:

On a more positive note, it looks like there is writing on the wall for some players from the former regime. No surprise really but just points to the terrible drafting we have been forced to endure. For close to 2 decades.

 

 

As painful as it will be to deal with the fact that so many of Ron's draft picks sucked, at least now we are on the path to having all of that bad management changed (hopefully).

[RandyHolt]

48 minutes ago, bird_1972 said:

 

As painful as it will be to deal with the fact that so many of Ron's draft picks sucked, at least now we are on the path to having all of that bad management changed (hopefully).

Yep. I like when there are "surprise" early cuts, and the team paints it as doing the guy a favor so he can have more time to go find another team.

 

I envision Jamin's best chance is as a pass rushing specialist. Forbes, dime / prevent street DB. No way he sticks as a returner IMO. Don't get me wrong i want these guys to dominate so we can at least sell high if we want but when 1st rounders on D don't do well immediately, that's a huge red flag.  Ron basically drafted what quickly became projects with those 2. Their cap hits keep them lingering around longer than they would otherwise.

Edited May 23 by RandyHolt

[CommanderInTheRye]

16 minutes ago, bird_1972 said:

 

As painful as it will be to deal with the fact that so many of Ron's draft picks sucked, at least now we are on the path to having all of that bad management changed (hopefully).

 

 

Yeah, in a sense you can view the Harris regime as the equivalent of a hostile takeover of a terribly performing, poorly managed, on the precipice of outright failing formerly marquee organization.

 

First order of business is to put together an executive leadership team to oversee and manage reclamation of the organization-- enter Harris, AP, DQ, etc.

 

Next eject all underperforming liabililities (players, scouts, execs, etc.) and replace them with young, hungry, talented, go getters. This is the phase we're currently observing right now.

 

Edited May 23 by CommanderInTheRye

[Chump Bailey]

3 hours ago, philibusters said:

According to David Harrison Dyami had a good practice overall yesterday.    In terms of the one he beat Forbes on

 

Not especially inspiring

[RVAskins]

I know it's water under the bridge, but I'll never understand why RR took Forbes when Christian Gonzalez was available. Can I sue for malpractice?

[philibusters]

4 minutes ago, RVAskins said:

I know it's water under the bridge, but I'll never understand why RR took Forbes when Christian Gonzalez was available. Can I sue for malpractice?

 

Better ball skills.  I think its arguable he was the better college player.  They were both three year players.  Forbes had a better PFF grade all three years in arguably a tougher conference (SEC vs. Big 12/PAC 10--Gonzalez transferred).  Forbes had 14 interceptions to Gonzalez's 4.   Forbes had the better college career.  Gonzalez had the superior physical tools.

[srtman04]

I honestly believe Forbes is completely broken already.   Last year really diminished his confidence and not even this coaching staff can help him get it back.  He's toast.....

[mojo]

7 minutes ago, srtman04 said:

I honestly believe Forbes is completely broken already.   Last year really diminished his confidence and not even this coaching staff can help him get it back.  He's toast.....

The last regime definitely stunted his growth (much like Ramsey) but I'm not ready to give up on him yet. I think competent coaching and defensive scheme will help.

[bird_1972]

2 hours ago, CommanderInTheRye said:

 

 

Yeah, in a sense you can view the Harris regime as the equivalent of a hostile takeover of a terribly performing, poorly managed, on the precipice of outright failing formerly marquee organization.

 

First order of business is to put together an executive leadership team to oversee and manage reclamation of the organization-- enter Harris, AP, DQ, etc.

 

Next eject all underperforming liabililities (players, scouts, execs, etc.) and replace them with young, hungry, talented, go getters. This is the phase we're currently observing right now.

 

 

Yup, just like a corporate turnaround. Agree 100% with your take. 

[Skinsinparadise]

 

[DWinzit]

3 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

If they saw absolutely anything at all in Davis, they wouldn't have brought in all the LBers and Edge guys that they did.

I figure they saw something in him but not enough to say, hey this dude is a stud and worth it to pay out a 5th option...especially not with a lil extra baggage in the form of stupidity tickets

Edited May 23 by DWinzit
grammar

[KDawg]

3 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

If they saw absolutely anything at all in Davis, they wouldn't have brought in all the LBers and Edge guys that they did.

Disagree. Davis can function as a 3-4 OLB and be really, really good. I’m not sure we have anyone better to fit that role, either. The other edge guys are athletic enough (not Armstrong) to play the other OLB but you’d want to limit them In coverage. We also have Forrest and Quan who can roll up as a safety/LB in the coverage role. 

[SkinsGuy]

3 hours ago, mojo said:

The last regime definitely stunted his growth (much like Ramsey) but I'm not ready to give up on him yet. I think competent coaching and defensive scheme will help.

 

I agree. 

 

I'd like to at least give Forbes a chance with a good coaching staff that may be building something great.

 

Last season, Forbes had to deal with a staff that was coaching with one foot out the door. Just going through the motions because they knew the purge was coming. 

 

Let's see what he can do with this new regime this offseason. If he isn't any better, he'll be gone before the season starts.

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

4 hours ago, KDawg said:

Disagree. Davis can function as a 3-4 OLB and be really, really good. I’m not sure we have anyone better to fit that role, either. The other edge guys are athletic enough (not Armstrong) to play the other OLB but you’d want to limit them In coverage. We also have Forrest and Quan who can roll up as a safety/LB in the coverage role. 

 

Hmm, shades of Bruce Irvin?

 

I seriously doubt we run much actual 3-4. But I do wonder about a lineup featuring a DT (Newton) lined up as a DE with the undersized Jamin Davis on the other side just attacking whatever he can opposite.

[MartinC]

13 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Some other tidbits from Keim's podcast.

 

D.  Jayden is throwing with anticipation in practice.  Balls not hitting the ground the way they would last year in practice

I listened to the Pod as well - slight correction on the above, the balls hitting the ground reference was to the year before last when it was Wentz and Heinicke. They were missing passes against air never mind 7 on 7’s. I remember this time last year him making the same reference and saying less balls were hitting the ground with Howell throwing than had been the case previously.
 

He did reference Daniels throwing with anticipation and the ball coming out on time versus last year with Howell when he would sometimes be unsure where to go and sit patting the ball a bit. 

[KDawg]

6 hours ago, Always A Commander Never A Captain said:

 

Hmm, shades of Bruce Irvin?

 

I seriously doubt we run much actual 3-4. But I do wonder about a lineup featuring a DT (Newton) lined up as a DE with the undersized Jamin Davis on the other side just attacking whatever he can opposite.

Davis certainly wouldn’t be an end.

 

And I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to see us in odd fronts on occasion. 
 

Newton and Allen as ends. Payne as nose (Mathis if healthy is a good option at nose).

 

Davis as an OLB/Edge.

 

Having said that, Newton’s health may stop that from happening as well.

 

EDIT: I see what you’re saying now. You’re saying as an even front end.

 

Ya. 
 

I think that’s possible, too.

Edited May 24 by KDawg