MartinC Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 28 minutes ago, FootballZombie said: We have to be a little more conservative w/ our trick plays Nothing and I mean nothing draws the evil eye towards an OC like a failed trick play when your O is struggling... and we got 248 yards. When KC does it and fails. nobody cares, they will cover it up w/ their 500 yd/gm O. If we try n fail... its all anyone's gonna talk about. I'd crucify EB if he tried to run a reverse and the O line collapsed in on itself like an imploding star. You'd hear me over the crowd at the stadium Until we get a bit more production outta the O, I'm fine with a lack of trick plays... for now at least. Still gotta be more creative however, less runs just smashing straight ahead into mobs. I am also worried about the "we are gonna use Gibby better" lip service only to put him out there and almost exclusively make him the same run-him-into-brick-walls RB like the last regime. Get him in space, like on that screen play. Stop trying to make him a bulldozer. Gibson only had 3 carries - none after the fumble. Only touch he got after the fumble was a single catch on a screen play. Hes not going to get many carries of any kind until he makes a play or two in the passing game and starts to earn some trust back. I was surprised we didn't use more play action. Run more outside zone and some boot looks off that to use Howells mobility and get him out of the pocket with some nice half field high/low reads. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 IDC who is running the ball. We need to chill with the dive-like run plays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Tomb Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 6 hours ago, Koolblue13 said: I love how Kirk has his own tier. 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovemaskins Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, Rex Tomb said: I love how Kirk has his own tier. Who is the bare chested guy?🤨 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 58 minutes ago, MartinC said: Gibson only had 3 carries - none after the fumble. Only touch he got after the fumble was a single catch on a screen play. Hes not going to get many carries of any kind until he makes a play or two in the passing game and starts to earn some trust back. I was surprised we didn't use more play action. Run more outside zone and some boot looks off that to use Howells mobility and get him out of the pocket with some nice half field high/low reads. We never set up any reason to be concerned about play action, because our run game was bad and we were too pass happy to start the game. It was a terrible game plan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigSkin Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 According to ESPN weekly stats, we were 4 best Defense behind Cleveland, Dallas and Rams - so there's that. Meanwhile, Keim mention on The Junkies this week, the game plan was more vertical passing to start with. Suppose they thought they'd be better in that 1st half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 20 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: We never set up any reason to be concerned about play action, because our run game was bad and we were too pass happy to start the game. It was a terrible game plan. You don’t have to run the ball for play action to be effective. That’s counter intuitive, but true. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 40 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: We never set up any reason to be concerned about play action, because our run game was bad and we were too pass happy to start the game. It was a terrible game plan. The great thing about play action is data shows that the success of play action has no correlation with the frequency or success of your running game. It’s counterintuitive - but data is data. But I tend to agree with you on the game plan. To be fair we were playing a team with anew coaching staff and basically new roster. Not much to game plan against. This week they have film - less excuse. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballZombie Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 43 minutes ago, HigSkin said: According to ESPN weekly stats, we were 4 best Defense behind Cleveland, Dallas and Rams - so there's that. When you only give up 6 points you earn that lofty ranking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 51 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said: You don’t have to run the ball for play action to be effective. That’s counter intuitive, but true. 28 minutes ago, MartinC said: The great thing about play action is data shows that the success of play action has no correlation with the frequency or success of your running game. It’s counterintuitive - but data is data. But I tend to agree with you on the game plan. To be fair we were playing a team with anew coaching staff and basically new roster. Not much to game plan against. This week they have film - less excuse. While I do know and agree about that (don't have to run it for it to work), I'm not sure if that's true when you're playing the worst run team from the previous year, who ran it the most and while we had a young QB and new OC, so I'm sure everyone assumed we'd be run heavy any way, when we weren't, they just Tee'd off on us relentlessly and then in the second half when we only ran it, it looked like that's what they game planned against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said: You don’t have to run the ball for play action to be effective. That’s counter intuitive, but true. Thank you. I’m sick of posting this and all the research that supports it lol 1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said: While I do know and agree about that (don't have to run it for it to work), I'm not sure if that's true when you're playing the worst run team from the previous year, who ran it the most and while we had a young QB and new OC, so I'm sure everyone assumed we'd be run heavy any way, when we weren't, they just Tee'd off on us relentlessly and then in the second half when we only ran it, it looked like that's what they game planned against. This is fair too though, these things don’t happen in a vacuum Edited September 13, 2023 by Conn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 10 hours ago, Koolblue13 said: We never set up any reason to be concerned about play action, because our run game was bad and we were too pass happy to start the game. It was a terrible game plan. Arguably going pass first would have done better if it weren't for the failed connections to Logan and bogus penalty call on his long reception. The run plays themselves and RB usage was where the game plan sucked IMO. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 the little national exposure is a dagger statement but its true 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DWinzit Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 17 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: Or should we have taken a more pro active approach and brought in serious competition for him in the off season? Also, should we have feelers out now for other snappers? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain James Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 14 hours ago, RandyHolt said: Arguably going pass first would have done better if it weren't for the failed connections to Logan and bogus penalty call on his long reception. The run plays themselves and RB usage was where the game plan sucked IMO. Underrated comment. Our offense would have seemed/been a lot more efficient if Logan had made some of those catches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Captain James said: Underrated comment. Our offense would have seemed/been a lot more efficient if Logan had made some of those catches. 1. Logan makes those catches 2. Gibson doesn't fumble 3. Howell doesn't fumble 4. No Howell pick 5. No bad OPI call 6. No bad 3rd down missed first down on that screen. Any of those taken back and it's easier for us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain James Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Just now, Thinking Skins said: 1. Logan makes those catches 2. Gibson doesn't fumble 3. Howell doesn't fumble 4. No Howell pick 5. No bad OPI call 6. No bad 3rd down missed first down on that screen. Any of those taken back and it's easier for us. Obviously it's football and things happen all game long... but it certainly didn't help that one of our pass catchers that we were clearly trying to feature, had himself a bad game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, Captain James said: Obviously it's football and things happen all game long... but it certainly didn't help that one of our pass catchers that we were clearly trying to feature, had himself a bad game. I just like the resiliency in this team. I was on Twitter and people were like down because of the fumble and then the being down and I was just like all it takes is one play. And they were just like not with this team man. But I'm not seeing that. I thought Wentz had it last year when he came back against Jacksonville in similar fashion, but he's seasoned vet. Howell is a young guy who's learning so this is fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, Thinking Skins said: I just like the resiliency in this team. I was on Twitter and people were like down because of the fumble and then the being down and I was just like all it takes is one play. And they were just like not with this team man. But I'm not seeing that. I thought Wentz had it last year when he came back against Jacksonville in similar fashion, but he's seasoned vet. Howell is a young guy who's learning so this is fun. The way Howell bounced back after the fumble that led to their TD was encouraging. He had way less than 2 minutes (but 3 TOs) but he threw the ball with authority. The throw go Samuels on that drive was a laser. He showed he has something on that drive. 1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said: So they won’t do something about a problem until it bites them in the bum? Thats an ‘interesting’ approach. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said: Edited September 14, 2023 by Thinking Skins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 27 minutes ago, MartinC said: they won’t do something about a problem until it bites them in the bum? Thats an ‘interesting’ approach. If by interesting you mean stupid, yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Just now, Voice_of_Reason said: If by interesting you mean stupid, yes. That was the inference. More British understatement 🙂 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 8 minutes ago, MartinC said: That was the inference. More British understatement 🙂 Yes I gathered. I just figured most on this board need it spelled out. Cheerio! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballZombie Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Featuring the guy who missed almost the entirety of Preseason was the best-est strategy. No way he'll be rusty. Featuring one of the worst units on your team was a solid bet as well. No complaints. This is my surprised face about problems surrounding the TE position. At least they stayed healthy I guess. /s 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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