Skinsinparadise Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 11 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 11 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: For those distraught to see Chase go, I’m curious if you really wanted to franchise him or pay him a top of market contract in the offseason. My next question would be what has he done to earn that contract? None of them have even thought about it that hard. They’re just mad bc he’s on ticket ads and they might have been dumb enough to buy his jersey 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: By far we did not. That's a scheme problem as much as a talent issue. JDR shouldn't have a job after depreciating the value of our assets to the point where we're trading in two firsts for a second and a very low third. Hopefully meaningful positive changes are coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Consigliere Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 14 minutes ago, Bacon said: We only got a ****ing 3rd rounder for a second overall pick? Christ, he's going to be an all-star for the rest of his career. Good God. The story isn't the 2nd overall pick, it's the last 9 games of his ----ing contract, that's what we traded. If we had his next four years plus a rookie option of course the trade doesn't happen. We didn't, those years are in the rear view mirror, all that was left was the second half of year 4 of that contract, w/no rookie option because we refused to pick it up. He was the 2nd pick four drafts ago this coming april. It's not April 2020, it's about to be November 2023. As for that decision, as I said at the time, the mistake was not going QB, when all we had on the roster at the position was Haskins, and Alex Smith's retirement tour. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbunny Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Consigliere said: we controlled with Chase was simply the next 9 years of his career, You mean games right? 9 years is a lot in an NFL career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, Bacon said: That's a scheme problem as much as a talent issue. JDR shouldn't have a job after depreciating the value of our assets to the point where we're trading in two firsts for a second and a very low third. Hopefully meaningful positive changes are coming. I only ever hear about scheme and players on the DL here. Never hear that **** when talking about actual dominant players. Let me know more about Maxx Crosby and the Raiders’ vaunted scheme. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, wit33 said: Awkward if Washington wins and tied for a playoff spot after next week lol if we get back on the 8-9 gravy train after beating the mighty Patriots and get to 4-5 -- it would be very awkward? Edited October 31, 2023 by Skinsinparadise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswerdlw Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 The cynical take: Not only did losing to Chicago affect our record this year, but could also negatively affect the position of the draft pick they traded to us. Ha! Btw, I'm all for the trade we made with the Bears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball Security Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 People are upset with the return for the 2020 #2 overall pick. But it’s a hell of a lot more than the return for the 2020 #3 overall pick. Extend GM Ron now! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bacon said: That's a scheme problem as much as a talent issue. JDR shouldn't have a job after depreciating the value of our assets to the point where we're trading in two firsts for a second and a very low third. Hopefully meaningful positive changes are coming. well, it's not ideal, but this is the NFL. Trading first round draft picks(that have yet to be used) for anything other than first round draft picks (that have yet to be used) is very rare. That's why every time it happens it's part of a "blockbuster" deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Young is considered by some within the team as an addition by subtraction as Standig wrote. wow. Grant just talked about that as to hearing stories. That's the 4th reporter who talked about issues with Chase behind the scenes. 3 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Consigliere Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 said: He literally does nothing here. Go ahead and give him $20M so he can do more cute commercials I guess with little production It wouldn't surprise me if he started playing really, really damn well for them. Wouldn't surprise me at all. For whatever reason he had a bad 2nd year and then injury, and so all he gave us was a great rookie year and a good half season this year. The problem people don't get is that he was basically a free agent after our season finale against Dallas two months from now. We had the ability to tag him, and pay him like an ALL PRO while worrying about his knee, but that is like paying for a FA with a major medical red flag. What we didn't have was a cost controlled rookie w/loads of upside ahead of him, that was 2020, we already drove down nearly 90% of that road. That story was over. For some reason people still think its the eighties, and we controlled the rest of Chase Young's career. We did not, without exposing ourselves to gargantuan salary cap risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 I’m more afraid that trading them gives us a better shot at being competitive… 1 7 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbunny Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said: Young is considered by some within the team as an addition by subtraction as Standig wrote. wow. Grant just talked about that as to hearing stories. That's the 4th reporter who talked about issues with Chase behind the scenes. Not that surprising I believe. I believe many defensive players are disgruntled with the DC here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ball Security said: People are upset with the return for the 2020 #2 overall pick. But it’s a hell of a lot more than the return for the 2020 #3 overall pick. Extend GM Ron now! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Consigliere Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 8 minutes ago, Wildbunny said: You mean games right? 9 years is a lot in an NFL career Yep, I'm getting irritated with nonsense and posting even stupider nonsense in response lol. Just fixed it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 11 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: And its 6 picks in the top 110 give or take. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Wildbunny said: Not that surprising I believe. I believe many defensive players are disgruntled with the DC here. That point had nothing to do with Del Rio. It was another in the pile about them in that building who considered Chase as being a problem. them saying losing Chase is an additon by subtraction takes that point up a notch. Edited October 31, 2023 by Skinsinparadise 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbunny Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Skinsinparadise said: That point had nothing to do with Del Rio. It was another in the pile about them in that building who considered Chase as being a problem. them saying losing Chase is an additon by subtraction takes that point up a notch. Thanks for the clarification then! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, KDawg said: I’m more afraid that trading them gives us a better shot at being competitive… lol, that's sort of the point of someone from the team talking to Standig. The other thing about pass rushers, it seems to be one of the easiest spots in recent years to find decent FA help. With all that cap room, I think they can find a dude or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Consigliere Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: Young is considered by some within the team as an addition by subtraction as Standig wrote. wow. Grant just talked about that as to hearing stories. That's the 4th reporter who talked about issues with Chase behind the scenes. Which gives you another reason to fire this FO. They are supposed to smoke out mental make up/character issues before the draft, and as I keep ****ing about, we needed QB badly that draft (yes I know they took Haskins just a year earlier but Ron dumped him before the following season was even completed, telling you just how little he was ever commited to Haskins) and instead went for a luxury, pick, using a third top 20 pick in four years on the DL. Pure idiocy. They all need to be loaded on a trebuchet and sent over the castle walls come January. The reporting about the FO/Coaches/Ownership all being on the same page is hilarious. Those guys know they are donezo come January, they just didn't have a choice (Maybe Ron will be elevated to some position where he's a non-heads on character president type guy with a title but no power, I could see that, but none of these guys will have their hands on anything in late January other than maybe EB). Edited October 31, 2023 by The Consigliere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 so, one thing not mentioned, we're no longer paying them for the back half of the season and most of their signing bonuses shouldd be paid, so that should save a few million to roll over 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBNG Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Finlay said on X that we got a first rounder. Did we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraCommander Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 12 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: Young is considered by some within the team as an addition by subtraction as Standig wrote. wow. Grant just talked about that as to hearing stories. That's the 4th reporter who talked about issues with Chase behind the scenes. Where’s there’s smoke, there’s fire. we traded a glorified cheerleader for a pick. I’ll take it. He might amount to something in San Fran but he wasn’t going to here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: lol, that's sort of the point of someone from the team talking to Standig. The other thing about pass rushers, it seems to be one of the easiest spots in recent years to find decent FA help. With all that cap room, I think they can find a dude or two. just re-sign two or all three of our guys (Toohill, JSW and Obada) and hope Henry and Jones come on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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