BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 10 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: If the GOP splits in two..why would moderate democrats ever move right? Wouldn't they just stay where they are and dominate both maga and whatever remains of the pre maga party? Out of political necessity, such as supporting Ukraine, which would traditionally been in the GOP's bucket. There's a vacuum there that the Democrats have had to fill, since Trump and his cronies would rather let Russia "do whatever the hell they want to." Although Biden still supports the progressive agenda, there is some question that the rise of progressive politics has helped fuel the MAGA backlash against it... just my two cents. Biden may be forced to run more towards the center in the election than he wants to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 (edited) 13 minutes ago, BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen said: Out of political necessity, such as supporting Ukraine, which would traditionally been in the GOP's bucket. There's a vacuum there that the Democrats have had to fill, since Trump and his cronies would rather let Russia "do whatever the hell they want to." Although Biden still supports the progressive agenda, there is some question that the rise of progressive politics has helped fuel the MAGA backlash against it... just my two cents. Biden may be forced to run more towards the center in the election than he wants to. That supposes that the American public hasn't moved left though in the last 30 years. I truly don't see moderate Democrats moving right to capture pre maga GOPers (assuming that split happens) because frankly, that right wing faction is still against what the majority of the American public wants. Pre maga Republicans are still against Roe and Obergefell (and even Loving), despite it being extremely popular with the American public. Edited May 23 by The Evil Genius 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Just now, The Evil Genius said: That supposes that the American public hasn't moved left though in the last 30 tears. I ruly don't see moderate Democrats moving right to capture pre maga GOPers (assuming that split happens) because frankly, that right wing faction is still against what the majority of the American public wants. Pre maga Republicans are still against Roe and Obergefell, despite it being extremely popular with the American public. Not to mention fundamental differences on the role of government. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Maybe we'll devolve into a parliamentary-type system, which can be chaotic but may make more sense in this polarized period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BringMetheHeadofBruceAllen Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 What's amazing about this "assassination" nonsense that Rump is spouting is that, according to his own lawyer's testimony, a POTUS should have that right. So what's the problem? 1 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 (edited) 6 hours ago, The Evil Genius said: That supposes that the American public hasn't moved left though in the last 30 years. I truly don't see moderate Democrats moving right to capture pre maga GOPers (assuming that split happens) because frankly, that right wing faction is still against what the majority of the American public wants. Pre maga Republicans are still against Roe and Obergefell (and even Loving), despite it being extremely popular with the American public. I can't find pure numbers for support of Roe by party longer term. But through the 1990s just under 30% of Republicans wanted abortion legal under any circumstances and as late as 2018 over 50% of Republicans didn't want Roe over turned. https://news.gallup.com/poll/246278/abortion-trends-party.aspx https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/nbc-wsj-poll-support-roe-v-wade-hits-new-high-n893806 I don't think broadly classifying pre- maga Republicans as anti-Roe and certainly anti Loving is very accurate. (Nationally, moving to much too the right would be a mistake for Democrats. In certain areas, it would be beneficial. I don't know if that's possible any more. Once upon a time, people said all politics were local. With the death of small local newspapers and the creation of the 24-hour national new organizations and even right-wing radio and today the internet, I don't think that's true any more.) Edited May 23 by PeterMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 2 hours ago, The Evil Genius said: If the GOP splits in two..why would moderate democrats ever move right? I don’t know that “move right” is the correct framing. Maybe - move back from the far left a bit? the far left has had some control over certain topics because the dems couldn’t afford to lose them and the gops lurch to the right created a shrinking middle area to fight over but some of the more progressive social issues the left wing pushes aren’t super popular with everyone else but gain support when the alternatives are what MAGA wants. Biden isn’t as pro choice as the far left. But he does have to cater to those people. When the other side offers banning abortion outright, there’s not a lot of success to be found staking out the middle ground. the Israel Hamas stuff is another topic where it’s easy to see the dynamic. There’s lots more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 (edited) Clinton 42 was the Democrat who moved the party to center right. It's not recovered yet. Edited May 23 by LadySkinsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 1 hour ago, LadySkinsFan said: Clinton 42 was the Democrat who moved the party to center right. It's not recovered yet. I don't think this is really true. Certainly based on today's standards Carter wasn't liberal and even at the time he wasn't considered liberal. Through that post-Vietnam stretch there certainly a strong liberal wing of the party, but it couldn't win elections at the national level. The Democratic party moved to the right because that was what was necessary to win national elections. I think Clinton was more of a product of a move right to win national elections then created a move right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LadySkinsFan Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 (edited) Doing out loud that they used to do covertly. Scum and creeps. Edited May 24 by LadySkinsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 9 hours ago, The Evil Genius said: Putin will do that, for me, because . . . I haven't done a single thing for him. Never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 RFK Jr. Is Even Crazier Than You Might Think He’s a conspiracy theorist who has made a lot of money pushing baseless or disproven notions about vaccines, Covid, and other hot-button subjects. At the start of his 2024 presidential bid, the media reported his history as a disinformationalist on multiple fronts. Yet now he’s largely covered as another character in the ongoing presidential horse race. Most of the recent stories about him focus on his standing in the polls, what voters he’s attracting, and speculation regarding his potential impact on the outcome. In such pieces, his extreme conspiracism is often not conveyed fully and sometimes not even mentioned. A recent Washington Post story on Kennedy family members endorsing President Joe Biden noted in mild fashion that RFK Jr. “has embraced controversial, unfounded claims on issues including vaccines and the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.” A Wall Street Journal article on chaos within his campaign merely said Kennedy “has promoted conspiracy theories—in particular on vaccines—and espouses political views from across the spectrum.” A New York Times piece referred to him as a “vaccine skeptic” who has promoted “vaccine misinformation and conspiracy theories about the government.” Those descriptions of Kennedy do not do him justice. He is much further around the bend than they indicate. With his advancement of unhinged and outlandish conspiracy theories, RFK Jr. is in the league of Alex Jones. There’s at least one difference. While Jones comes across as a shameless charlatan grifting his audience, Kennedy does seem to fervently believe the dark nonsense he spews. That makes him particularly dangerous, not merely because he may influence a critical election but because his presidential run is something of a super-spreader event for false information, lies, and paranoia. One could spend countless hours examining and countering the long list of hair-raising and unsubstantiated allegations Kennedy, once known mainly as an environmental lawyer, has peddled over the years in books, interviews, articles, and public appearances. But I took a deep dive into one that serves as an example of how far out-of touch from reality he can be—and how far he will go to twist the truth to serve his ideology of conspiracy. In May 2022—about a year before he announced his presidential bid—Kennedy appeared on the podcast of comedian and reality TV star Theo Von, a recurring guest on Joe Rogan’s podcast, and he presented a harrowing tale: A global elite led by the CIA had been planning for years to use a pandemic to end democracy and impose totalitarian control on the entire world. He claimed to have proof: the ominous-sounding Event 201. Click on the link for the full article 🎶And the worms ate into his brain...🎶 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ball Security Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 1 hour ago, Cooked Crack said: That’s a long drive from Miami to Minnesota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TradeTheBeal! Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 We get better crowds for Old Crow Medicine Show at Music by Maymont. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmsy Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Dan Snyder coming in clutch! 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Califan007 The Constipated Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Additional tweet text, cuz it does shed light: Things are not nearly as rosy for MAGA as they'd like to believe... According to New York Times analyst Nate Cohn, Trump's much-discussed lead in the polls actually comes from less engaged voters — which is to say people who may not show up at the polls. This chunk of "voters" boosting Trump's poll numbers largely sat out the 2022 midterm elections, which Democrats over-performed in. "President Biden has actually led the last three Times/Siena national polls among those who voted in the 2020 election, even as he has trailed among registered voters overall," explains Cohn. "And looking back over the last few years, almost all of Mr. Trump’s gains have come from these less engaged voters." (from the article:) "Trump's lead is built on gains among voters who: - aren't paying close attention to politics - don't follow traditional news - don't regularly vote Disengaged voters on the periphery of the electorate are driving the polling results--and the story line--about the election." ******************* Disengaged voters on the periphery...notoriously unreliable demographic to rely on to take you to victory. This same group made polls seem like Repubs would sail to a "red wave" in the midterms...then a lot of them didn't vote. Plus, those who aren't paying close attention to politics in May, could very well be paying much closer to politics in September and October. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins24 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 10 hours ago, Simmsy said: Dan Snyder coming in clutch! Think I'm starting to believe the 'we're in a simulation conspiracies' because real life can't be real 😂 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cooked Crack Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 All is going well at the libertarian convention Spicy language Spoiler 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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