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[hail2skins]

22 minutes ago, spjunkies said:

Know anything about this bloke?

His Landry's group owns casinos. Could be interesting with the casino-stadium angle.

[SoCalSkins]

11 minutes ago, hail2skins said:

His Landry's group owns casinos. Could be interesting with the casino-stadium angle.

Landry’s owns an insane number of restaurant brands. They gobbled up so many steak houses. They own Morton’s, the Palm, Mastro’s and a ton of others. They also own Rainforest Cafe, Bubba Gump shrimp,  claim jumper and like 40 other casual places. 

[Spaceman Spiff]

44 minutes ago, spjunkies said:

Know anything about this bloke?

 

 

 

Fertitta?  Fertitticaca?!?!?!

 

 

Alright, so I've been chatting with a buddy of mine this evening, he's got a real depressing take on this ****.

 

His whole stance is that Snyder doesn't want to sell and won't sell.  And I pointed out to him the bylaws of the NFL, that if the owners want Snyder gone they can do it with 24/32 votes.  

 

His response is that the NFL bylaws can't supercede US laws, and that Snyder's not focused on this.  He says that the NFL can do whatever they want to Snyder to oust him, but Snyder's just going to take it to the Supreme Court, that the NFL can't make him sell.  I'm not a lawyer but a quick google search shows that to be true.

 

He says that Snyder is in this for the long game...that he's going to keep the team, lay low in London for a few years, still let Tanya and Wright run things, in hopes that everyone will forget what a giant bag of douche fluid he's been.  Time will pass, Snyder slowly but surely regains a foothold, gets a new stadium, etc.  

[bearrock]

1 minute ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

Fertitta?  Fertitticaca?!?!?!

 

 

Alright, so I've been chatting with a buddy of mine this evening, he's got a real depressing take on this ****.

 

His whole stance is that Snyder doesn't want to sell and won't sell.  And I pointed out to him the bylaws of the NFL, that if the owners want Snyder gone they can do it with 24/32 votes.  

 

His response is that the NFL bylaws can't supercede US laws, and that Snyder's not focused on this.  He says that the NFL can do whatever they want to Snyder to oust him, but Snyder's just going to take it to the Supreme Court, that the NFL can't make him sell.  I'm not a lawyer but a quick google search shows that to be true.

 

He says that Snyder is in this for the long game...that he's going to keep the team, lay low in London for a few years, still let Tanya and Wright run things, in hopes that everyone will forget what a giant bag of douche fluid he's been.  Time will pass, Snyder slowly but surely regains a foothold, gets a new stadium, etc.  

 

If NFL kicks him out, they can create a new DC expansion franchise.  They can't force him to sell the team, but they can replace his DC franchise with a new DC franchise in the NFL.  

[88Comrade2000]

They may not be able to force Dan to sell but they can definitely kick the Commanders out of the nfl.  Then Dan will own something that’s worthless.

[Spaceman Spiff]

7 minutes ago, bearrock said:

 

If NFL kicks him out, they can create a new DC expansion franchise.  They can't force him to sell the team, but they can replace his DC franchise with a new DC franchise in the NFL.  

 

2 minutes ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

They may not be able to force Dan to sell but they can definitely kick the Commanders out of the nfl.  Then Dan will own something that’s worthless.

 

Good points.

[spjunkies]

Wikipedia is telling me that this option is legit. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_National_Football_League_franchises#:~:text=In the event of egregious,survive to the present day.

 

In the event of egregious misconduct, the League Commissioner has the power to suspend or revoke a club's franchise.^[3]

The NFL has had 49 franchises become defunct over its history, including ten of the league's twelve charter franchises: only the Chicago Bears and Arizona Cardinals survive to the present day.^[

[Fan since a Fetus]

I would choose a Fritatta over Snyder to run this franchise. Even though it wouldn’t last long.

#get in my belly

#consumption

#Dan smells worse than rotten eggs - probably

 

[Gurgeh]

4 hours ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

They may not be able to force Dan to sell but they can definitely kick the Commanders out of the nfl.  Then Dan will own something that’s worthless.

 

XFL here we come! A whole new competition for Dan to fail at.

[Rocky21]

6 hours ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

Alright, so I've been chatting with a buddy of mine this evening, he's got a real depressing take on this ****

 

His response is that the NFL bylaws can't supercede US laws, and that Snyder's not focused on this.  He says that the NFL can do whatever they want to Snyder to oust him, but Snyder's just going to take it to the Supreme Court, that the NFL can't make him sell.  

I don’t think your buddy has studied the NFL constitution and by-laws.

[London Kev]

What confuses me is that apparently, Snyder has barred Bezos from making a bid and this has been known for months (known by who?). Also, Bezos has employed a firm with a view to make a bid even though he can't make a bid. This doesn't make sense.

 

There has been talk that Snyder is just messing with everyone and will end up not selling voluntarily, but surely if the league does have the ability to force a sale then Snyder would lose a lot of bargaining power and could possibly have to accept a lower bid.

 

I have no doubt that Snyder is vindictive little weasel, but he also wants to maximise the profit on the sale. I would be really surprised that even a man like Snyder would refuse possibly the highest bid just because of his petty little personal feelings.

[Darrell Green Fan]

57 minutes ago, Rocky21 said:

I don’t think your buddy has studied the NFL constitution and by-laws.

 

Yeah that take was nonsense. The NFL can make and enforce their own rules and the Supreme Court can't do a damned thing about it. But can't they force Snyder to include all bidders?  Cutting out Bezos means the team will not sell for as much as it could and the devalues all the other franchises. I can't believe the other owners would allow that but who knows?  They have protected him throughout all the investigations so I don't really trust them. 

[KDawg]

7 minutes ago, Darrell Green Fan said:

 

Yeah that take was nonsense. The NFL can make and enforce their own rules and the Supreme Court can't do a damned thing about it. But can't they force Snyder to include all bidders?  Cutting out Bezos means the team will not sell for as much as it could and the devalues all the other franchises. I can't believe the other owners would allow that but who knows?  They have protected him throughout all the investigations so I don't really trust them. 

 

He has dirt on them (allegedly). I think it's fairly obvious. They can say they have the votes to remove him, but I'm not sure if they really do. 

 

They take him down and some of them are going to have a bad day. 

 

The franchise could sell tomorrow and I wouldn't be shocked because Snyder is greedy.

 

The franchise could sell in six months and I wouldn't be surprised because Snyder is vindictive.

 

The franchise could never sell and I wouldn't be surprised because Snyder is Snyder.

[Skinsinparadise]

Tilman Fertitta, the billionaire business executive who owns the NBA’s Houston Rockets, is involved in the bidding for the Washington Commanders, two people familiar with the situation said Saturday.

Fertitta joins a group of prospective buyers that includes Josh Harris, owner of the NBA’s Philadelphia 76ers and the NHL’s New Jersey Devils, and Amazon founder Jeff Bezos.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/02/25/tilman-fertitta-commanders/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_sports

 

According to one person with knowledge of the deliberations, Fertitta submitted a bid for the Commanders but is not believed to be a front-runner to purchase the franchise from Daniel Snyder. That person described the sale proceedings as being “at a little bit of a standstill” and estimated Fertitta’s bid was for slightly above $5.5 billion.

 

Another person familiar with the matter said Fertitta is interested in the Commanders and is believed to have visited the team’s training facility in Ashburn.

 

Representatives for Fertitta did not respond to requests for comment Saturday night.

 

Fertitta is the owner and CEO of Fertitta Entertainment Inc., which owns the Rockets, dining and hospitality company Landry’s, and the Golden Nugget Hotel and Casinos. He has an estimated net worth of $8.1 billion, according to Forbes. He purchased the Rockets from Leslie Alexander in 2017 for $2.2 billion.

Harris has visited the Commanders’ facility, two people familiar with the situation said this month. Harris was co-founder of Apollo Global Management and is a general partner of the English Premier League’s Crystal Palace. He is a limited partner in the NFL’s Pittsburgh Steelers. Harris grew up in Chevy Chase and attended the Field School in Northwest Washington.

 

Harris, who has an estimated net worth of $6.2 billion, according to Forbes, attempted to purchase the Denver Broncos last year but lost the bidding to a group led by Walmart heir Rob Walton.

Josh Harris, potential Commanders buyer, visits team’s training facility

Bezos, who owns The Washington Post, hired an investment firm to evaluate his potential bid for the Commanders, two people familiar with the situation said this week. Bezos is working with Allen & Company, a New York-based firm that is prominent in transactions involving professional sports franchises. It handled the two most recent sales of NFL franchises, those of the Carolina Panthers and the Broncos. It remains unclear whether Bezos will make a bid for the Commanders.

 

The Commanders announced in November that Snyder and his wife, Tanya, the team’s co-CEO, had hired Bank of America to consider possible transactions involving the franchise. The team has not said whether the Snyders will sell all or part of the franchise. Four people familiar with the process said in December they believe a sale of the entire team is the most likely outcome.

The bidding process is taking place as the NFL conducts its second investigation of Daniel Snyder and the team’s workplace, this one being led by attorney Mary Jo White. The U.S. attorney’s office for the Eastern District of Virginia also is investigating allegations of financial improprieties involving the team. The team has denied committing any financial wrongdoing.

[KDawg]

Of the names not Bezos, Harris is my preference as of this moment but I have no idea if he'd be the right decision.

 

Fertitta has crashed the Rockets into the ground pretty hard. Whether that was on purpose from Draft Lottery purposes or other reasons is fairly unclear. 

 

He bought the Rockets in 2017:

 

 

Been trying for the draft lottery for quite a long time. Team has gotten worse each year aside from that boom of 20 wins versus 17 in 21 vs. 20.

[mhd24]

5 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Of the names not Bezos, Harris is my preference as of this moment but I have no idea if he'd be the right decision.

 

Fertitta has crashed the Rockets into the ground pretty hard. Whether that was on purpose from Draft Lottery purposes or other reasons is fairly unclear. 

 

He bought the Rockets in 2017:

 

 

Been trying for the draft lottery for quite a long time. Team has gotten worse each year aside from that boom of 20 wins versus 17 in 21 vs. 20.

 

 

He's been kind of all over the map (I think he & Harden were going to strip clubs together LOL).  However, they have been tanking ever since the Harden trade.  Their losses are not based on incompetence, but are strategic.  I'd take him as owner of the Wizards over Leonsis any day of the week.  Leonsis is the worst owner in the NBA.

[Gurgeh]

32 minutes ago, London Kev said:

 

I have no doubt that Snyder is vindictive little weasel, but he also wants to maximise the profit on the sale. I would be really surprised that even a man like Snyder would refuse possibly the highest bid just because of his petty little personal feelings.

 

I think you've just identified one of the reasons why Dan keeps failing. He takes the petty option over the smart option every time.

[KDawg]

1 minute ago, mhd24 said:

 

 

He's been kind of all over the map (I think he & Harden were going to strip clubs together LOL).  However, they have been tanking ever since the Harden trade.  Their losses are not based on incompetence, but are strategic.  I'd take him as owner of the Wizards over Leonsis any day of the week.  Leonsis is the worst owner in the NBA.

While true... They've been tanking for awhile now.

 

I'm a Celtics fan, so I haven't studied the Wizards inadequacies. But yes, I wouldn't want Leonsis to own the Commanders... if that's your point

[bird_1972]

13 hours ago, bearrock said:

 

The entire NFL is a partnership.  He owes fiduciary duty to the league and owners of other teams even without co-owners of the Commanders.

 

Good point

[Skinsinparadise]

No way to know but digesting narratives.  My take.

 

A. I don't think owners being afraid of dirt from Dan is what's driving them not voting him out.   But I get the point, I don't think its Dan's dirt on them.   But just the idea in general that issues can lead to ANY owners ouster.  The precedent of that.

 

I think the relevation that Dan puts out dirt against them if anything really put him in hot water and we got the Irsay defiance comments, etc.  The issue seems to be they don't want to set a precedent to vote an owner out.  Jerry alluded to this point about new prospective owners having to worry about being voted out.  You open up Pandora's Box and then all of a sudden the NFL becomes more like the NBA on that front.  I don't think they want that.

 

Having said that, some covering the story think its a shot that there are the votes to take him down especially if the Mary Jo White report ends up damning.

 

B.  I'd be very surprised if this doesn't happen.  The wildcard is Dan's not the most rational dude.  But otherwise, the trains are really far down the tracks.  Every local reporter that I can tell have their sources telling them this is going down.  If Dan backs out the outcry woud be crazy intense.

 

C.  Interesting that you got Perez and apparently Keim (based on what someone posted here from Keim's appearance last night on espn) saying that Dan has got a bid over 6 billion and others saying not.  So I am gathering Perez and Keim's sources are similar because Keim weeks back validated one of the Perez's stories in one of his podcast.   But lets even say the naysayers are right and Perez and Keim are wrong.  Lets' do the math...

 

A.  Seems like most agree that Dan wants 6 billion or bust

 

B. Fertitta went over 5.5 billion

 

C.  Fertitta according to the WP isn't the front runner

 

So a dude exceeded 5.5 billion yet isn't the front runner.  So the logic to me is someone at a minimum is close to 6 billion.  Between that and others saying someone already exceeded 6 billion, to quote the venerable Bruce Allen "it feels like we are close."

Edited February 26, 2023 by Skinsinparadise

[KDawg]

9 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

No way to know but digesting narratives.  My take.

 

A. I don't think owners being afraid of dirt from Dan is what's driving them not voting him out.   But I get the point, I don't think its Dan's dirt on them.   But just the idea in general that issues can lead to ANY owners ouster.  The precedent of that.

 

I think the relevation that Dan puts out dirt against them if anything really put him in hot water and we got the Irsay defiance comments, etc.  The issue seems to be they don't want to set a precedent to vote an owner out.  Jerry alluded to this point about new prospective owners having to worry about being voted out.  You open up Pandora's Box and then all of a sudden the NFL becomes more like the NBA on that front.  I don't think they want that.

 

Having said that, some covering the story think its a shot that there are the votes to take him down especially if the Mary Jo White report ends up damning.

 

B.  I'd be very surprised if this doesn't happen.  The wildcard is Dan's not the most rational dude.  But otherwise, the trains are really far down the tracks.  Every local reporter that I can tell have their sources telling them this is going down.  If Dan backs out the outcry woud be crazy intense.

 

C.  Interesting that you got Perez and apparently Keim (based on what someone posted here from Keim's appearance last night on espn) saying that Dan has got a bid over 6 billion and others saying not.  So I am gathering Perez and Keim's sources are similar because Keim weeks back validated one of the Perez's stories in one of his podcast.   But lets even say the naysayers are right and Perez and Keim are wrong.  Lets' do the math...

 

A.  Seems like most agree that Dan wants 6 billion or bust

 

B. Fertitta went over 5.5 billion

 

C.  Fertitta according to the WP isn't the front runner

 

So a dude exceeded 5.5 billion yet isn't the front runner.  So the logic to me is someone at a minimum is close to 6 billion.  Between that and others saying someone already exceeded 6 billion, to quote the venerable Bruce Allen "it feels like we are close."

All depends on how much and how big the dirt is. And yes, that dirt plays into your premise. Dan’s ouster sets precedence. Dirt on other owners then sets precedence for their removal. It’s the same point conveyed differently.

[Skinsinparadise]

12 minutes ago, KDawg said:

All depends on how much and how big the dirt is. And yes, that dirt plays into your premise. Dan’s ouster sets precedence. Dirt on other owners then sets precedence for their removal. It’s the same point conveyed differently.

  
 

Obviously no way to know but listening to various narratives I get the impression that Irsay was far from alone with u got some dirt on me then bring it on you little twerp.

 

The ESPN story about Dan hiring PIs and saying he had dirt on other owners seemed if anything to ramp the heat on Dan big time and push his lawyers to go public on local radio to deny it.

 

So my guess is they aren’t worried about Dan trying to blow them up now. But hate the idea of setting the precedent that baggage including Dan’s can lead to any owners ouster.

 

So yeah ageee it’s a different angle on the same point. But I found it ironic in a good way that the article about Dan having dirt on owners felt like a turning point for the sale to actually happen 

Edited February 26, 2023 by Skinsinparadise

[Skinsinparadise]

I see Fertitta owns Morton’s maybe that’s how Dan knows him 

 

He has that thick Texas accent, Jerry Jones style

 

 

Edited February 26, 2023 by Skinsinparadise

[Skinsinparadise]

Rockets owner Tilman Fertitta has right approach to team's rebuild

The owner spoke about the importance of a complete Rockets' tear-down so they can build something with sustained success

 

Rockets owner Tilman Fertitta spoke openly about the Rockets' rebuilding process in a recent interview with PaperCity, providing some valuable insight into the Rockets' thinking as the franchise navigates the infancy stages of its rebuilding project in year one following the James Harden era.

 

 

"[T]he biggest mistake you can make is we could bring in a bunch of veterans with these young guys and win more games," Fertitta told PaperCity. "But it's not the right process. You've got to let these guys have the minutes. And you've got to let it work. We don't want to be one of those building programs that are just mediocre for four years or five years. That's what a lot of teams decide to do. And when you've been as good as we were for so many years, yeah we could have had the eighth seed in the playoffs or the ninth seed. But it's better to tear it apart and start over and build up again. It will last for many years to come."

 

My biggest fear has always been impatience from ownership resulting in win-now edicts to management. That's a recipe leading straight to the mediocrity treadmill. That's why most of this interview came as quite the pleasant surprise and a timely reassurance.

 

After the Harden trade effectively ended their title hopes last season, the best thing that could have happened to the Rockets came to fruition as they embarked upon a 20-game losing streak which resulted in the draft pick which allowed them to select Jalen Green. Had the Rockets not bottomed out and continued upon the eight-game winning streak they compiled shortly after the trade, the end result almost surely would have been an early-round exit and no lottery pick. Some short-term endorphins, sure, but not exactly a jump start on the future. Credit Fertitta for signing off on trades of veterans P.J. Tucker and Victor Oladipo.

 

Les Alexander, of course, did not allow former general manager Daryl Morey to bottom out following the Yao Ming-Tracy McGrady era and it resulted in seasons in which the team won 42, 43, and 34 games, respectively. It required brilliance and some of the greatest luck in NBA history for Morey to acquire Harden. That's not a process with any degree of reliability to merit imitation.

The Rockets' current six-game winning streak could be a test on Fertitta's restraint. If they string together an extended run or even continue winning at a greater than .500 clip, the play-in could appear to be within reach (the Rockets, currently 13th in the conference, are just three back in the loss column of the 10th-seeded Blazers.) An impatient owner might look to dip into the impressive war chest of future picks the team has accumulated and seek to acquire veteran reinforcements for a playoff push. Such a move would be incredibly foolish.

 

As it stands, I've maintained that the smartest route for the team long term would be to seek out deals for Eric Gordon and Christian Wood and drastically increase rookie Alperen Sengun's minutes and usage. Such a course would be consistent with the sustainability Fertitta describes. Winning off the efforts of Gordon, who will be on the wrong side of 35 when the Rockets are ready to actually contend, and Wood, who can walk entirely in a year, is fool's gold. The next two drafts also are the last before the debt is due from the ill-fated Russell Westbrook trade.

We'll know soon enough if Fertitta is true to his word. For now, one can only hope.

 

https://www.chron.com/sports/rockets/article/Rockets-owner-Tilman-Fertitta-rebuilding-patience-16681869.php

[Andre The Giant]

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